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  • trollgretrollgre Member Posts: 297
    edited September 2013
    danielzt wrote: »
    I bought one because I know not many people will do the same so it will be rare...and it would seem that i'm right coz I havent seen another one on beholder yet...(surely they exist), and I don't like being called dumb :)

    want a really rare mount?
    buy normal mount upgrade it to rank 3 = rare, normal mount that runs so fast
  • danielztdanielzt Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 105 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    trollgre wrote: »
    want a really rare mount?
    buy normal mount upgrade it to rank 3 = rare, normal mount that runs so fast

    not account wide, and ppl won't differentiate them unless you start to move...
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    danielzt wrote: »
    I bought one because I knew not many people would do the same so it would be rare...and it would seem that I'm right because I haven't seen another one on beholder yet...(surely they exist), and I don't like being called dumb :)

    I'm on Beholder. Seen at least 3 individual ones.
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • trollgretrollgre Member Posts: 297
    edited September 2013
    danielzt wrote: »
    not account wide, and ppl won't differentiate them unless you start to move...

    buy ardent coin mount upgrade to 110% movespeed = rare

    mount thats not account wide are rarer than account wide mount bec only few can use them
    account wide mounts = 1 player with many char slots can make it look like lots are using it
  • ameranth342ameranth342 Member Posts: 141 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    Have you seen the overpriced Unicorn?

    Well obviously PWE still have their income goals to reach each week or month, employee's still require their wages , bill's still need to be paid, and with the obvious ( imo ) decline in active playerbase prices have to rise to compensate. Even though if they actually followed the many many posts in the forums concerning the Zen store prices it would i have no doubt about actually from a income point of view be a more wise option to actually lower prices, which would i have no doubt about create more sale's.
    Commen sence prevails here which PWE some how does not see, that if a item is correctly priced with value for money it will sell better in the fiirst place.
    All the items in the Zen store are items that nearly all the player base would use, but due to the high costs to purchase they realy limit there actual customers by a huge amount, rendering most only afordable to the 'rich' and limiting their potential customer to the 'rich'.

    While in reality the highest % of the playerbase in any MMO is your 'casual' gamer, looking for entertainment first and formost, which most would actualy buy items as and when needed without ant problems but when they see items at a over inflated price obviously focused on the monetary income of the company an d not the players needs, they do not buy.

    The old classic sayings 'the customer is alwasy right' and the 'customer always comes first' are completely ignored, a happy customer will more than likely return. a customer who feels they were charged to much will go elsewere, this is just standard retail sence
  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    This game isn't any other game, its Dnd and people that love DnD expect perfection. When I first started playing, i had no idea what DnD was but then I fell in love with the MASSIVE amount of potential this game has/had and like many other people HATE how it's turning out.

    As a D&D player since 1977... this is without a doubt the most nonsensical thing I have heard.

    If they're having money problems might I suggest getting rid of useless employees or the 100's people in charge of making/reskinning zen items? Not like the ONE person(i heard) in charge of fixing bugs/exploits needs new 40 dollar reskins every week to work harder.
    If I was in charge of this company it WOULD be the best mmo ever. All they have to do is READ the lower depths forum, take notes and not listen to the PR department saying "look how much money we made, everything is working fine":)

    As a human being with an IQ over 84, this is the most nonsensical thing I have heard.




    Bottom line the usual suspects are doing what they do best crying about cash shop prices, PWE/Cryptic has lowered some prices just to pacify you but like sharks you smell blood and make the daily five new threads about the same topic.

    I have a different philosophy, if I find something not of value to me, I vote with my wallet...it sends a much stronger message than a forum whine, and seeing how many dusk unicorns are crowding PE lately I would say that not many agree with you.

    Yeah yeah they are all dumb etc...:rolleyes:
    Always Looking for mature laidback players/rpers for Dungeon Delves!
  • uniguilduniguild Member Posts: 44
    edited September 2013
    If think it's quite the opposite: Because players still buy items even at these prices, PWE can raise the bar. Besides: Newest items will always be a little overpriced as the demand is higher.

    And while very few directly purchase ZEN to buy the mount, 4k are still "only" about 1.4k AD, which is affordable for active players.
  • ameranth342ameranth342 Member Posts: 141 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    This game isn't any other game, its Dnd and people that love DnD expect perfection.


    Sorry this is actually not D&D, PWE bought the rights to the D&D name obviously so they could publish under the very popular and respected D&D banner which as no doubt misslead 1000's of 'real D&D players into believing this is D&D.
    PWE bought the rights to the D&D name obviously for very good reason, without doubt this would instantly create a influx of genuine D&D followers and fans, giving them a near instant player base for a new game. but as most know and most can clearly see this is a long way from being or ever being anything at all like D&D
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    uniguild wrote: »
    And while very few directly purchase ZEN to buy the mount, 4k are still "only" about 1.4k AD, which is affordable for active players.
    Not sure what conversion rate you're using...on beholder 1zen ~345AD
    4000Z = 1,380,000 AD or ~ 1000x more than your estimate.
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • archomentalarchomental Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 138 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    Weekly patches? Lets be fair here. Read the last 5 patches. Most of them
    are so minor Im surprised it was even a patch.

    Behold:

    1) Still cant sort AH by price (been that way for a month).

    2) Rubberbanding since day 1 for many people. Only game
    Ive seen it in. This baffles me the MOST. You look at how many
    people are actually in your city zone and at most its like 110. Really?
    That's far from overloaded.

    3) Dozens of ways of exploiting the dungeons still exist, all commonly
    known and posted on forums.


    NOTE: This is the only game Ive been playing for 4 months, and Im not one of
    the people complaining every day on the forums. I say this because I really enjoy
    the game. Im a supporter. With that said, you have to be fair on whats actually been going on
    and the length of time its been going on.
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Weekly patches? Lets be fair here. Read the last 5 patches. Most of them
    are so minor Im surprised it was even a patch.

    Behold:

    1) Still cant sort AH by price (been that way for a month).

    2) Rubberbanding since day 1 for many people. Only game
    Ive seen it in. This baffles me the MOST. You look at how many
    people are actually in your city zone and at most its like 110. Really?
    That's far from overloaded.

    3) Dozens of ways of exploiting the dungeons still exist, all commonly
    known and posted on forums.


    NOTE: This is the only game Ive been playing for 4 months, and Im not one of
    the people complaining every day on the forums. I say this because I really enjoy
    the game. Im a supporter. With that said, you have to be fair on whats actually been going on
    and the length of time its been going on.

    1. Not even somewhat game breaking. While it would be nice if this was fixed, this is very much an "I'm lazy and don't want to look at prices" issue.

    2. ... Not even sure what to say about this. Rubberbanding is an issue in pretty much every game. It may manifest itself in different ways, but lag is lag and not all of it is Cryptics fault.

    3. Every single game that exists now or has ever existed has exploits. WoW has exploits and has been around for almost 10 years. It is impossible to eradicate all exploits. Expecting NW, or any game for that matter, to have no exploits is like expecting Santa to show up on Christmas.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    1. Not even somewhat game breaking. While it would be nice if this was fixed, this is very much an "I'm lazy and don't want to look at prices" issue.

    2. ... Not even sure what to say about this. Rubberbanding is an issue in pretty much every game. It may manifest itself in different ways, but lag is lag and not all of it is Cryptics fault.

    3. Every single game that exists now or has ever existed has exploits. WoW has exploits and has been around for almost 10 years. It is impossible to eradicate all exploits. Expecting NW, or any game for that matter, to have no exploits is like expecting Santa to show up on Christmas.
    GWF tab has been broken since the start of the open beta.
    RIP Neverwinter 26/06/2014
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    tang56 wrote: »
    GWF tab has been broken since the start of the open beta.

    I'm not saying Cryptic is perfect. There is a lot that needs fixing. That's how MMOs go. My GWF is a bot right now until the class gets a little love, so in the meantime I play my other characters. If they were doing nothing, I'd have a problem. Maybe the Tab issue has more significant issues surrounding it that make it harder to fix. Anyone saying it's not that hard of a fix is talking out of their ***, unless they have access to the code and can say otherwise. We speculate based on what seems should be simple. If it was a simple fix, I'm sure it would be fixed. Cryptic is not trying to intentionally <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> off its playerbase. It's absurd to think otherwise.
  • kouroumbelokouroumbelo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Making playerbase happy does not mean company is happy too and makes more money^^.

    about the raid exploits...

    In almost all end content raids there are bugs and exploits...and there have been there since beta.

    Was there any serious attempt ever to fix these bugs?

    A simple example is Spider,you can make boss suicide in few seconds....

    If you see other raids as well, FH/Spell/CN/Karru etc...all can be exploited bugged and since game started.

    I would not mind if only 1-2 raids bugged, and to fix was so extremely hard i would say ok in all games there are bugs.
    But here it seems almost all raids are that way...

    For example is it so hard to fix karru?? a simple extra rock here and there so ppl cant climb or ''abuse'' terrain is so extremely hard to make?Then again im not a programer so i dont know mb it is.
    But really in all end game raids such bugs and exploits and still nothing done??
  • archomentalarchomental Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 138 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    Kouroumbelo said it a better way than myself. Do you realize they clearly know
    about ALL of these exploits? Don't act like they don't. Most of them have been
    around since day 1 of the game.

    Heres a good one for you: Rogues are able to solo the first 2 bosses in Castle Malabog
    by training mobs away and staying in stealth. Not only saw the video on this,
    but personally know someone doing it daily. Arenanet is aware of this and doing
    nothing. All of those weapon pieces are going for 500k-1mil, like that isn't flooding
    the market.

    (you may find it hard to believe like I do, but people know how to do this).
  • fusedmassfusedmass Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 252 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    realbo wrote: »
    40 bucks for a mount is beyond greedy.

    I share this posters thoughts. I like the game and everything. They are nearly killing it though with the prices. I don't mind shelling out some cash. I paid 200 just to earn the title "Hero of North". Then I paid 60 for the expansion with all extras.

    The max you used to buy on this game in Zen was 50 then 100, then 200. The amount keeps going up, because more players are buying in game items. I met a player who admitted he spent thousands in game. Again I will re state my matter of opinion on this.

    Your going to drive away long term customers and some short term. The economic situation in the US. Is not at its peak to put it kindly. You charge 40 bucks for a mount. I mean come on. Seriously. I can understand 15 or 20. This is more expensive then some of my bills that I pay.

    Is they don't shift from what their doing up. Players are going to become frustrated. Then start to believe the sole objective of the devs is to make money without actual concern for content. Whens the last time. We had a questions and answers session.

    Or a new PVP Map not limited to level 60.

    If your going to charge outrageous prices. Then at least spend some of that money making more content. Its like all I see is dollar bill signs in the dev. It needs to be slowed down. What's next, a hundred dollar mount. I didn't expect things to be cheap since its free to play.

    This is much much more then other MMOS, that I played charge.
  • michaelpoynermichaelpoyner Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 75
    edited September 2013
    4K zen obly gets you 1.4K AD? you got ripped off
    uniguild wrote: »
    If think it's quite the opposite: Because players still buy items even at these prices, PWE can raise the bar. Besides: Newest items will always be a little overpriced as the demand is higher.

    And while very few directly purchase ZEN to buy the mount, 4k are still "only" about 1.4k AD, which is affordable for active players.
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Heres a good one for you: Rogues are able to solo the first 2 bosses in Castle Malabog
    by training mobs away and staying in stealth. Not only saw the video on this,
    but personally know someone doing it daily. Arenanet is aware of this and doing
    nothing. All of those weapon pieces are going for 500k-1mil, like that isn't flooding
    the market.

    (you may find it hard to believe like I do, but people know how to do this).

    This doesn't sound like an exploit at all! It sounds like smart playing, utilizing skills that are, and have been reaffirmed by patches, to be working AS INTENDED. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it an exploit.

    And to the poster above this post, you are speculating at best that these are not hard to fix. It sounds to me like fixing the entire way dungeons were set up.
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'm tired of arguing with whiners.

    If free isn't good enough for you, quit. End of story.
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Let me rephrase my statement, because making Cryptic aware of situations is important. But when you start *****ing nonstop about everything under the sun (my new favorite is the "flower stealing" WOT in chat) Neverwinter starts to feel like a daycare center for bipolar teenage girls.
  • kouroumbelokouroumbelo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    well u just made many posts insulting others and whining about them whining.

    what does that make you?o.o

    as i said in my post i do not know if it is hard or not to fix(i am not a programer,but in majority of raids is not the mobs/boss AI that is at fault but mostly the terrain and adding 1-2 more rocks here and there dont seem hard to me).But these bugs are here since start and exist in almost all dungeons.
    i like the game i play it,and come here post what i think is wrong about the game without insulting or breaking the post rules...

    in all games there are at times bugs exploits especially on games that are new and just got out of beta etc..

    but for me is first time i ever see so much in all end game raids.(this is just my opinion^^).

    Its been quite awhile,so the question ends up not to as been hard to fix but if they were intended or if they not plan to ever fix them .

    If someone can officially post that these bugs/exploits are intended i wont post/''whine'' again^^.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    And to the poster above this post, you are speculating at best that these are not hard to fix. It sounds to me like fixing the entire way dungeons were set up.

    He said this (I assume you meant the same guy):
    Then again im not a programer so i dont know mb [maybe] it is
    But no, it should be extremely easy to fix such exploits as those. Personally I'm not bothered about them. I'd rather they fixed bosses than the exploits so there's less incentive to do so, such as dragons hitting out of range and the spider queen boss being insanely difficult compared to the rest of the dungeon and other tier 2s.
    I'm tired of arguing with whiners.

    If free isn't good enough for you, quit. End of story.
    Most arguments here seem to be aimed towards the payment system, not the free options. The freeness of the game appears to be pretty fair, the charges are most definitely not.
  • ayzarrayzarr Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The thing that gets me is that I have about 100 lockboxes and no way to open them. The only way I know is to buy zen and then buy keys. I have very little money to buy from AH or other characters as my main character is only lvl 30.
  • fusedmassfusedmass Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 252 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    Let me rephrase my statement, because making Cryptic aware of situations is important. But when you start *****ing nonstop about everything under the sun (my new favorite is the "flower stealing" WOT in chat) Neverwinter starts to feel like a daycare center for bipolar teenage girls.

    You do know whining about people who whine.

    Is whining in itself, its just about a different subject.
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    That's really the best you all can come up with? I'm calling you out on being whiny *****es and now you're saying I'm whining...

    Dictionary.com defines whining as:

    to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.

    That's all of you.

    My point is no one cares about what you all are saying. If you don't like the game, the system or payment options, then quit. It's that simple. If saying that means I'm whining (it doesn't), cool.
  • fusedmassfusedmass Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 252 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    That's really the best you all can come up with? I'm calling you out on being whiny *****es and now you're saying I'm whining...

    Dictionary.com defines whining as:

    to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.

    That's all of you.

    My point is no one cares about what you all are saying. If you don't like the game, the system or payment options, then quit. It's that simple. If saying that means I'm whining (it doesn't), cool.

    Are you still whining?
  • blasphemous7blasphemous7 Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    fusedmass wrote: »
    You do know whining about people who whine.

    Is whining in itself, its just about a different subject.

    By your definition, are you whining about me whining about whiners?
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Okay, this thread has gotten way over the top with the back and forth flaming and the off topic posts, so I'm going to go ahead and put it out of its misery.
    ROLL TIDE ROLL

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