New Astral Diamond ideas

xcom43 · August 2013

We need to start to come up with ways to gain more Astral Diamonds in this game.Astral Diamonds seem to be lacking to me.I have tried to do every thing from create items to selling items on exchange and doing the Daily's and to me it's not enough.No where near a enough.

Either Cryptic need's to start lowering price's on items or they need to start to give us more ways to collect Astral Diamonds.I under stand about bugs and every thing i was one of the first testers for STO in it's beta stage.

Professions do not seem to put out enough as is.

Only way you can get a good amount of Astral Diamonds from Exchange is if you have a High ranking enchantment but even then they are hard to come bye.

For the Daily's it is all most not even worth it be cause the time it takes it even enter a dungeon or pvp.

And Invoke does not give very much as well.

Like for instance Way should we have to pay 300zen for a out fit change that is ridiculous.It should be paid with gold,silver,copper option not AD or Zen.

imsmithy · August 2013

With the recent patch the ability to gain large amounts of AD at a reasonable rate has all but gone , and with the massive cost of mostly every essential and non essential in the game it is becoming a huge chore to continue to play , they need to get rid of the daily refining limit of rough AD , they need to lower the cost of everything in the wondrous bazaar , they need to lower or remove the cost of transmutation of gear , I could go on but if they want players to stick around they need to do something to even out the field between zen players and non zen players because the gap between the two has now become a chasm .

xcom43 · August 2013

imsmithy wrote: »

With the recent patch the ability to gain large amounts of AD at a reasonable rate has all but gone , and with the massive cost of mostly every essential and non essential in the game it is becoming a huge chore to continue to play , they need to get rid of the daily refining limit of rough AD , they need to lower the cost of everything in the wondrous bazaar , they need to lower or remove the cost of transmutation of gear , I could go on but if they want players to stick around they need to do something to even out the field between zen players and non zen players because the gap between the two has now become a chasm .

The Refining is not the real problem in this game it is how much we can actually get is the point 23k in refinement is better then start trek online they only have 8k per day.And i can make 8k dilithium in 30mins with sto.

s3ven0fmine · August 2013

Completely agree. I have not run one DD since the the patch and even tho i still have plenty of AD laying around the pile is definitely not growing. At the rate things are going only people who pay for zen will be able to purchase anything within reason.

xcom43 · August 2013

The Professions skills do even put out enough items for you to make any kinda Astral Diamonds.

For the time it takes on the quests 2hours to 18hours is totally ridiculous.

Cryptic need's to start thinking in real life time not game time.

One of the major issues that i see that need's done in this game is the time Takes to long for dungeons to even enter even with a full crew.

Second i see is the time it takes to get to even level 20 on Professions.You should be able to start doing this at level 5 not 10 or 15 where it starts.And even the amount of Astral Diamonds that is cost to complete these items it ridiculous.

keltz0r · August 2013

If you want AD farm CN

setherio · August 2013

I agree, the whole BoP has made it a LOT harder to obtain astral diamonds - though, economies tend to work themselves out over time and it might just be a couple weeks before value (at least on AH) is more... accommodating - however, this also makes it a LOT harder to obtain full (or half) sets for players like me who can only play a couple hours a day at most (hoping a DD event is going on), sometimes only able to log in to invoke...

As for math... Invoking in 3 hour intervals for a level 60 grants 2000 *Rough* Astral Diamonds (first invocation is full bonus, second is roughly 2/3 full bonus, 3rd is roughly 1/3 full bonus; 1000 + 665 + 335).

Currently I'm 18 Leadership and completely agree that Leadership, while does help a little, in no way makes a great source.. At 20 Leadership, You can do Destroy Enemy Camp twice a day (without speed bonuses) and it consumes no resources but takes 12 hours. Can be done 3x at a time... so given you start when you get up in the morning and then when it's finished, 6x = 7200 *Rough* Astral Diamonds. Without consuming resources, I think Battle the Undead would be the next best common one to pick, grants 400 *Rough* Astral Diamonds and takes 6 hours. So up to 4 times a day if timed perfectly (without speed bonuses). 8*3*400 = 6000 Rough Astral Diamonds from that. If someone else wants to add a third set, go for it but too much for me right now, plus I'm only lvl 18 and have 3 slots still locked...

Anyways, from Invoking and very good timing (or speed bonuses on Leadership) and Leadership at Level 20 (which is no easy task to accomplish) you can receive up to 2000+7200+6000 Rough Astral Diamonds 15,200/day. Personally, I can get roughly 1,000 (Invocation) + 2,500 (Leadership) a day...

Skirmishes was great way to get Astral Diamonds at lower levels... but having to do, what, 4 a day (or 4 total) in order to receive astral diamonds for a daily is just horrible at lvl 60 and I haven't bothered to do Skirmishes because I don't find them worthwhile in time. And doing them during the event... at lower levels I could get 4-6 done in that hour span while now it takes a lot longer to finish and again, I don't find it worthwhile for my time.

Foundary... A bit better but still, having to do 4 at level 60 to receive (Rough) Astral Diamonds... could use a bit of work...

PVP: Again, 4 to get daily bonus... 15 minutes.. not too hard. Only complaint about that one is having to do 4 to get the Rough Astral Diamonds...

I haven't even been able to touch GG since my time allocation doesn't allow me to and it never seems to be available when I AM able to spend the time on it =( And since they lowered Protect the Caravan from 200 to 100 (2hr LVL 4 Leadership) was a stab for me. I could use the gateway to do that and throughout the day just repeat it - I found that a decent one until they lowered it. (previous ratio was 1:1 now it's 1:2).

Lowering the amount of times you have to repeat a daily at Level 60 to receive Rough Astral Diamonds (and with a limit on refining... I don't see why that would be much of a problem...).

Taking off BoP from DD would be great... but I still think the economy from it would balance out over time... however, as mentioned before... also makes getting full sets or half sets a lot harder.

xcom43 · August 2013

Skirmishes was great way to get Astral Diamonds at lower levels... but having to do, what, 4 a day (or 4 total) in order to receive astral diamonds for a daily is just horrible at lvl 60 and I haven't bothered to do Skirmishes because I don't find them worthwhile in time. And doing them during the event... at lower levels I could get 4-6 done in that hour span while now it takes a lot longer to finish and again, I don't find it worthwhile for my time.Quote

It might of been but it seems that Skirmishes take extremely long time to even enter.

Lowering the amount of times pvp only way you can fill it quickly is if you WIN the match.And another issue i see with PVP is the Glory gain you should be able to collect some kinda Glory item even if you are still the only one in the match with the 5 others trying to kill you i think it is BS that it does not give any at all for the lower counts.

(Quote) Lowering the amount of times you have to repeat a daily at Level 60 to receive Rough Astral Diamonds (and with a limit on refining... I don't see why that would be much of a problem...).(Quote)

Like i said it is not the amount of refining that is the issue right now 23k is plenty.The problem is
receiving it.

The amount of time it takes to do all of these daily's is far to much time out of the day.

setherio · August 2013

xcom43 wrote: »

(Quote) Lowering the amount of times you have to repeat a daily at Level 60 to receive Rough Astral Diamonds (and with a limit on refining... I don't see why that would be much of a problem...).(Quote)

Like i said it is not the amount of refining that is the issue right now 23k is plenty.The problem is receiving it.

What I meant by that was "since there is a limit on refining, I don't see a problem with why they wouldn't lower the amount of times you have to repeat a daily." I completely agree, I think 23k* is plenty. I have only reached over the limit on 4 occasions. Three of those four were during "Double Astral Diamonds" events and the 4th time was the first day I salvaged items I had stored away.

*Isn't it 24k/day?

squells · August 2013

yes its 24k a day....ppl want Astral diamonds without moving the toon from PE...omfg u guys complain about everything jesus..

If u do stuff = AD..

degraafination · August 2013

The change was on purpose, and there's no way Cryptic is going to change it (significantly anyway).

1. There whole goal is to push you to buy Zen and convert it to AD.
2. Making Epics all but scarce means supply is down and demand is up, therefore increasing AH prices and pushing you to do to #1.
3. Rough AD limit will not change either. Be thank you can do that. If you need, level some alts to 60 and just do Leadership.

adinosii · August 2013

I still have a pile of rough ADs left over from the Tymora event and the 2xAD weekend earlier, but there are a few more ways to make AD. At lvl 60 there is Lord Neverember's daily task (8000 AD), there are various low level crafting results that can be sold at a profit, you can make profession runs during the profession window, or sell shirts/pants if you have a crafting profession that is sufficeintly high. You can also play the AH ... buy underpriced items and re-list them at a higher price.

noroblad · August 2013

I have found it far easier to run multiple characters .... I have 5 max level characters and each is able to get at least 50% of the daily refine with prayer and leadership alone. That is 50k per day, not a ton, but it does add up eventually. I also sell things in the AH of course, so my total income is on the average about 100k per day. None of that compares to millions from having 20 mounts drop or sploitfarming gear to sell or buying zen to convert but --- this is important --- since we can no longer buy top gear on the AH due to binding, there is less need to buy. With less to buy, a lower income goes farther.

My advice is to wait it out. The bind rule just hit. People just got an influx of 1/2 a million for the expansion purchase pack. People have their bug mount profits. By the end of a month or so, all that will settle out though, and if incomes remain low, prices will eventually have to drop. It is not a good time to be a buyer. So sell stuff instead!

degraafination · August 2013

What I'm afraid is that the serious AD and item nerf is going to open the door to some nasty hackers. It was such a dramatic change that made quite a few people angry. I'm curious if AH or something else will be severely exploited.

joncans · August 2013

When someone say's "Need to make mowr AD", the real question is, how much then? I don't understand these threads. Just yesterday in a three hour session I made:
8k Lord Never PVP daily
4k Rhix PVP daily
3.5k invoking
25k salvage from 5 chest pieces paid with glory earned in 1 PVP event hour
2k Leadership
total for 3 hours of gameplay=42,500

noroblad · August 2013

degraafination wrote: »

What I'm afraid is that the serious AD and item nerf is going to open the door to some nasty hackers. It was such a dramatic change that made quite a few people angry. I'm curious if AH or something else will be severely exploited.

I doubt it. Not that I doubt something will be hacked and exploited, I just doubt that it would be the result of the current game status. Look --- game currencies have a real world value and it is well known that there is an 'industry' of sorts based on selling in game goods and currency which leads to real world profits in actual real world currency. That being the case, if there is a way to exploit in order to produce 'product' for these places to sell, they will find it and use it etc. So without any motivation from the status of the game, there is motivation to hack/exploit already: real money. It just makes sense that someone out there is trying to hack and exploit. While I suspect some of the gamers here have some of the skills, I am more convinced that professional password stealing, account hacking, and otherwise unethical folks in the 'industry' are more likely to have more skill at such things...! And, I suspect PWE /Cryptic have a team of pros who are doing their best to keep such activity to a minimum, same as all other games...

By the way, I am NOT HAPPY with the salvage guy. He gives a tiny bit of AD but what he really does is ALLOW ACCOUNT HACKERS to salvage gear for diamonds that are then used to buyout a junk purchase for a gold farmer bot account and then sold and laundered out of the system (traceable but the end holder of the diamonds will be the guy who sold a legit item to a customer who bought diamonds from a hacker...). This new vendor enables the crooks!

spanky2014 · August 2013

joncans wrote: »

When someone say's "Need to make mowr AD", the real question is, how much then? I don't understand these threads. Just yesterday in a three hour session I made:
8k Lord Never PVP daily
4k Rhix PVP daily
3.5k invoking
25k salvage from 5 chest pieces paid with glory earned in 1 PVP event hour
2k Leadership
total for 3 hours of gameplay=42,500

Another ignoramus. Sure you can max out, but the refine limit prevents you from getting more. This is the whole point. Sure make a new character account *shrug*.

ott0maddux · August 2013

joncans wrote: »

When someone say's "Need to make mowr AD", the real question is, how much then? I don't understand these threads. Just yesterday in a three hour session I made:
8k Lord Never PVP daily
4k Rhix PVP daily
3.5k invoking
25k salvage from 5 chest pieces paid with glory earned in 1 PVP event hour
2k Leadership
total for 3 hours of gameplay=42,500

BS! There is no way you earn 25k glory in one hour of pvp. The most i've earned was during an arena event, top scorer on winning side of a 15 min match, with 7000 points was 1.5k glory. 4 matches like that would be 6k glory, or enough for 1 chest piece. I'm not calling you a liar, just someone who tells untruths.

ott0maddux · August 2013

spanky2014 wrote: »

Another ignoramus. Sure you can max out, but the refine limit prevents you from getting more. This is the whole point. Sure make a new character account *shrug*.

+1 yes agree 100%

ott0maddux · August 2013

I think another reason they have such low limits on how much AD is obtainable, besides the obvious get you to buy zen one, is that it significantly boosts player base. Like a lot of the posters i have 5 accounts leveling toons to produce AD. 2mil/5=400k players. Not quite as impressive.

joncans · August 2013

spanky2014 wrote: »

Another ignoramus. Sure you can max out, but the refine limit prevents you from getting more. This is the whole point. Sure make a new character account *shrug*.

Spend money then. They are NOT going to change it.

joncans · August 2013

ott0maddux wrote: »

BS! There is no way you earn 25k glory in one hour of pvp. The most i've earned was during an arena event, top scorer on winning side of a 15 min match, with 7000 points was 1.5k glory. 4 matches like that would be 6k glory, or enough for 1 chest piece. I'm not calling you a liar, just someone who tells untruths.

Yes, my wording was off. I was running PVP for the three hours I was on, just accrued more during the one hour event.

setherio · August 2013

squells wrote: »

yes its 24k a day....ppl want Astral diamonds without moving the toon from PE...omfg u guys complain about everything jesus..

If u do stuff = AD..

I have no ptroblem leacving the Enclave. In fact, I'm usually not there. I used to get AD from doing DD's and selling items on AH but with BoP that sort of well out the window. Yes, I agree, some, maybe even a lot, of people want AD without leaving town but I'd be more for ways to achieve obtaining AD in other areas and such.

As for complaining too much - I really hate to complain. I read all these posts by people complaining and just think "well, ****, it's not that bad, you just want to complain, whatever." However, with this, I just felt I should assert my own thoughts on the matter. IF you know of a way to obtain AD (without moving the toon from PE), please, let me know - maybe I'm missing something...

setherio · August 2013

joncans wrote: »

When someone say's "Need to make mowr AD", the real question is, how much then? I don't understand these threads. Just yesterday in a three hour session I made:
8k Lord Never PVP daily
4k Rhix PVP daily
3.5k invoking
25k salvage from 5 chest pieces paid with glory earned in 1 PVP event hour
2k Leadership
total for 3 hours of gameplay=42,500

3.5k Invoking?
Invocation works as follows for level 60:
1st invocation of the day: 1,000 rAD
2nd Invocation: (2/3) of fulll bonus - 665 rAD
3rd Invocation: (1/3) of full bonus - 335 rAD
2,000 rAD for Invocation per day (per character) max.

How do you get 25k salvage from 5 chest pieces paid with glory earned in 1 PVP event hour? I must be missing something (then again, I don't do PVP all that much, but when I do, even if I come out on top, there's no way I can afford 5 Chest Pieces a day.... Maybe I'm doing something wrong?)

cribstaxxx · August 2013

Yes you are no longer able to farm AD via selling loot as well, however as long as you have more than 1 60 you can make pretty good steady income very easily.

I have 4 60's. between prayer/leadership and my pvp daily (+ salvaging pvp gear) I am near or at my cap for the day. Not to mention with neverember now giving a duplicate daily so you can earn 3x the diamonds on whatever daily it is...

I make ~96k refined diamonds a day from those 4, and I have 2 other non 60's which nets me about 100k per day. I make that 100k easily, doing what I want to do (pvp) rather than having to run 3 dungeons during DD time.

I'm happy with the change, 100k a day + my celestial coin boxes give me about 180k per week, so thats nearly 900k AD per week and I don't have to grind or do things I don't want to do for money.

Yes before patch I could run dungoens for hours and make that much in a day if really lucky, but now I can more easily generate a fair amount of AD and enjoy the game more doing it. If you only have 2 character slots my first suggestion is save AD for more slots, it will compound your AD in the future.

beckylunatic · August 2013

setherio wrote: »

IF you know of a way to obtain AD (without moving the toon from PE), please, let me know - maybe I'm missing something...

That's actually quite funny, as running between the mailbox and the auction house was how I made money for a long time (or standing at a mailbox and tabbing between the game and Gateway). It just got kind of boring, what with never actually having a chance to leave Protector's Enclave. (To be fair, was also levelling Alchemy just then, and that requires constant monitoring and is very distracting if you try to get involved in anything else.)

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