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Transmute/skinning items price and suggestion
maisaan
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 166
Firs of all, skinning an item is still way to expensive when you can only use the skin one time.
My chars have expensive weapons, and buying more to have different skins on them isn't an option.
This means, that if I want another skin on my weapon, I loose the skin (and 51+K AD's) and I can't get the original skin back.
The way to make this easier to digest would be to allow us to; transfer the states of the gear to the skins.
My chars have expensive weapons, and buying more to have different skins on them isn't an option.
This means, that if I want another skin on my weapon, I loose the skin (and 51+K AD's) and I can't get the original skin back.
The way to make this easier to digest would be to allow us to; transfer the states of the gear to the skins.
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edit: there's too many useful/needed things to do with AD, to waste that much on simple visual changes.
Yes, I understand that it's a diamond sink (which is a good thing for the game to have). But one wonders if, were the price 10-25k instead, it'd be done a lot more. Which would end up sinking more total AD from the economy. Or maybe not. Hard to tell without trying it. (And maybe they'll continue looking for a "working" price, if the current drop doesn't make much of a change.)
Applying a new "skin" (texture/model) to an item. Taking your generic looking rogue dagger, and making it look like the orc handaxe, for instance.
(in this game: right click on original item. Select "change appearance". Put the item you want it to look like in the right-hand box in the appearance window. Pay lots of diamonds. This is also how you apply dyes, although that doesn't cost anything beyond the purchase price of the dye.)
This ^
I'd skin alot more often if it didn't cost a small fortune.
What i mean, let us add items to our wardrobe without the need of being a one time thing, we pay AD to add them, and they are there forever. As long it is a one time thing, am not spending 50k to transmute ever. Not buying outfits from the store either, ill just keep using my jester set.
and for the record, after noticing that the price for transmuting essentially went down about 10k and should have been made to about 5-10k, i promptly trashed everything that i have accumulated for transmutes but essentially have just been wasting space.
atm the prices for new players to transmute are way too high. what people often forget is new players. i play like 3 weeks, have bought some stuff from auction house, use dailies whatever... but i am at 200k atm. so why would i waste like 50k or more on transmuting a weapon (in the last orc assault skirmish there dropped those transmute weapons, but no way at the moment i will pay this amount on a weapon which i might change soon anyway and then the appearance is gone).
Would also be nice if such cosmetic things(/character specific services) could be paid for in unrefined AD (at a lower cost than currently).
If new rims for my truck only cost $10 then it would not feel as special as having rims, everyone would have them.
I appreciate it not being so easy to obtain.
It's not like I don't have the AD, but I don't see why I'd want to spend 50k AD per item for a single use skin(that I'll then have to redye).
One of the few times i've see your posts while agreeing
Same reason people have $3000 rims that they even have to buy new tires for lol.
Same reason my wife got a 5 figure wedding ring.
Same reason i drive a Harley as opposed to a moped.
It makes a statement. Vanity is a privilege not a right.
Just five figures?
I never understood why the people most inclined to boast especially on the internet are the ones who don't really have anything worth boasting about. Then again, maybe that is the reason...
I wasnt boasting at all lol, you think 5 figures is a boast? You have much to learn.
My truck doesnt have rims either by the way, much better things to spend my money on. lol.
I just mean that status symbols such as things like that just like simple appearance changes will always have a large market BECAUSE of their high cost, not in SPITE of it.
You are one of those that always posts against anything being cheaper. But you seem to forget not everyone has the same money and time you do and you never seem to actually provide any valid reasoning behind your stance other than you like it the way it is. Quite honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if you are simply trolling the forum.
As for me, I find that the 50k reskinings of the item are outrageous especially considering how few choices there are of item models and how little actual customization is available.
No i do not fight against any price decrease.
To me this is the most vain thing you can do period in the game.
I am just saying that i think two days effort doing dailies/profs/etc seems to be an adequate price for this task. Nothing more nothing less.
Seriously dont have to crucify me and my words because i have a different opinion lol. I think the cost is in line post patch with new decrease. Before then i thought it cost too much as well.
I'll bet you use that yacht to troll as well :P. I spent the 50k, like an idiot, on two of my daggers; now I've upgraded to better daggers and would really love the orc axe look again but I'm not going to waste 100k+ AGAIN. I would pay 50k an item if I could then use that item like a bound piece of clothing that I could apply to any equipped gear of it's same type. But for now, I'll dream of all the dragon eggs I could've bought for the 100k wasted and eventually salvaged for 8k.
....I honestly have a hard time grasping this way of thinking.
Skinning/costuming/visuals need to be cheaper, so that more people do it. So that we have more visual variety in a group of players, instead of a horde of identical T1/2 clones.
It's not a "rare/special/exclusive" feature, it's a basic quality-of-life one - let people express their style, make their character theirs instead of Just Another Rogue.
We need more costumes, more armor skins, more dyes, spread around as much as possible. This isn't some thing to limit, it's something to encourage.
Seriously, I don't give a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> if my Favorite Piece Of Equipment is common or rare - the whole "my Super Awesome Raid Gear is now worthless because other people have it!!1!1!one!" craziness I used to see on the WoW forums always baffled me. Why the heck does what other people have mean anything to you?
Yes, I never understood this either. The scary thing is that for some people it not only does, but seems to actually define them.
I must admit that I did do the grind for a red dragon mount in WOW because I thought it looked incredible, but it never bothered me whether other people had it also....
If you can just change everything around however you wish with no consequences then it loses its permanence. It is not restricting it from everyone.
Having a piece of gear that i worked towards through multiple dungeon runs, plus did professions for 2-3 days to save enough AD to customize, plus working to find and obtain the item needed to customize adds a little something of permanent customization for me. I enjoy this aspect of the game.
Like old diablo 2 everyone could have an Arm of King Leoric, but only mine had my characters name, a socket and my rune of choice.
It made me actually care about the item. I like that. Neverwinter rides that line a bit because by the time i finally get my ancient royal symbol, plus pick out my skin, plus save up for the customization, plus save up for the dyes, etc i will have a connection with that weapon.
But whatever much easier to just say im a fanboi or an elitist that wants to keep things from other people.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.
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Personally, I see the whole skinning/costuming thing to be.... changing your shirt, or wearing the black sneakers today instead of the white ones. Not "status symbol", just having a sense of style and expressing yourself. A common, everyday thing.
And you know, you can still have status symbol, hard to acquire visuals without restricting the whole system to just the people with AD to waste - make skinning cheap, make plenty of costume and dye options that are relatively available.... and then make some that are harder to get.
i.e, just because you want to feel special because you worked so hard & long to get that $5k Armani suit, doesn't mean that everyone else has to walk around in identical grey coveralls. They can still go to the Gap or Target and get all sorts of colorful outfits. And even though anyone can get a concert shirt & ripped jeans (or a polo & pair of chinos; or a sundress) that makes them feel nice, doesn't mean that everyone won't know Mr. Moneybags is strutting down the street in his Armani.
Great, then it shouldn't matter to you whether cosmetic changes are easy to achieve or not as you will still have your stuff customized. I really like customization, but it doesn't affect my ego if other people can easily do the same as me.
I have some ideas on how to add more customization to gear based on the transmuting system but maybe I should make a different thread about it.
It has nothing to do with ego. This shouldnt be very hard to understand lol. I must not be explaining it right.
If i have to work hard for something then it is more valuable to me. I like that right now my items are valuable to me, because i had to work hard to obtain/customize. It is one of the things that i like about this game.
It has nothing to do with ego, or feeling special or restricting other people, etc.
Having a Harley is awesome. Having a Harley that i worked for 2 long years labor and spent hard earned cash on restoring, much much cooler. Savvy? I will have more value for it and be more invested into it.
Okay. The thing is, by advocating for skinning to remain expensive to do, you're advocating for restricting people. Why not make the act of skinning cheap, but have fancy & special skins that you have to work for and feel special about?
Like I said, I see appearance customization as a basic feature, not something special & rare.
(Ex. In Star Trek Online, I've bought a whole bunch of costume pieces and extra costume slots for my characters. I switch 'em around and mix-n-match pieces all the time - it's cheap, easy, and simple. I love it, my characters each have several costume looks saved up to match how I see the characters and how I want others to see them. At the same time, however, there are a number of costume pieces that are harder to get - from the island vacation pieces you could earn during the Summer event, to the MACO & Klingon Honor Guard uniforms that take a heck of alot of work to get via the Omega Force reputation grind. Special things for people to show off, without restricting everyone else from getting a lot out of the costume system.)
...actually, it's kind of funny. My lv60 rogue is currently wearing T1 purple armor. The armor I'd skin it with, if I could force myself to waste the AD? Random drop green armor from the lv40-50 range. Not hard to get at all. Nor expensive. I don't care about it's difficulty to obtain, I just like the appearance.
Oh, I get that it is because of the investment in time and effort that you made, you find it special. (And as a side note, such investment is a fundamental aspect of ego - i.e. it becomes special to YOU because YOU put in the effort.)
But, equally, there is no reason not to reduce the prices so that those people who are interested in just the aesthetics can enjoy it also.