My question is: How can you ruin an economy? It's a silly concept. The game HAS an economy, but the game isn't THE economy. I would like to see the botting, and scamming stopped, but I don't let it bother me much in the mean time. Play on.
Simply put: often economies are ruined by printing more money, which in turn increases inflation. You see this often in corrupt third world countries.
Now back to the game. The OP didnt state the game is the economy; don't know why you went there. But, bots do indeed ruin the economy. I'll tell you how (again by inflation):
You play two/three hours per day. You keep the enchantments, gold, etc. you find to use them for trading later. Once you have made a level 5 enchantment you'd like to sell it, because you think it's worth quite some AD.
Now, the bots have played 24/7 and made 100 level 5 enchantments in the same time (e.g. a week) which make your "savings" decrease in value.
I hope I have answered your and many other questions.
farmers =/= bots, but hey, better make more assumptions, right?
youre just starting another flame at that point, better stop now
oh, now we add the "right now" part to make me look stupid cause otherwise youd have to ackowledge that i am in the right?
funny
but same goes for you: dont try to taunt me into more flames then youve already done
You making assumption, I supposed? Quote me where I said farmers = bots. All I said was "please take down the "the massive farmers just fastened the process" phrase, if you absolutely do not want to be associated with them.", with *ahem* THEM as in the farmers, stated by you ownself truely. You got a problem with that?
And sorry, but you have already started the flames, so you need not push the responsibility away. Only you can quench the flames you have started (or a mod, that is.), especially when bots are a big concern in Neverwinter.
You making assumption, I supposed? Quote me where I said farmers = bots. All I said was "please take down the "the massive farmers just fastened the process" phrase, if you absolutely do not want to be associated with them.", with *ahem* THEM as in the farmers, stated by you ownself truely. You got a problem with that?
since i got already associated as a botter cause of that statement, yes, that was indeed an assumption (but at least i say its an assumption, unlike others...)
And sorry, but you have already started the flames, so you need not push the responsibility away. Only you can quench the flames you have started (or a mod, that is.), especially when bots are a big concern in Neverwinter.
since i got already associated as a botter cause of that statement, yes, that was indeed an assumption (but at least i say its an assumption, unlike others...)
didnt start any flame
my statement that farmers make it grow faster is wrong cause its "alot" faster?
you make no sense
Your statement that this was normal right now is wrong.
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
What is "normal" is that... everyone gets to 60, gets the bulk of their gear, enchants it once, and is done with enchantment until the level cap or next tier of epic gear is made available. With no use for them past that, the demand should fall off naturally, with or without bots. At the same time, there is a neverending supply of tier 4s dropping like candy for the level 60s. There was/is a wave of people who got to 60 and got geared, and they are done with enchants -- and that is probably 75% of the population or more. Now people are working alts or the few buyers left are stragglers who just got into the game. Still plenty of buyers there, but its nothing like the new game demand of [no enchantments available much] and [tons of gotta have it now gotta win the game in a week] players looking to buy.
Look, its simple enough. The economy is a rotating / evolving thing. Something becomes desired and the value spikes. Then the farmers get wind of it and over-farm it and crash the profits. Then something else becomes the new desired item. Find something else to sell? Its not that hard.
What is "normal" is that... everyone gets to 60, gets the bulk of their gear, enchants it once, and is done with enchantment until the level cap or next tier of epic gear is made available. With no use for them past that, the demand should fall off naturally, with or without bots. At the same time, there is a neverending supply of tier 4s dropping like candy for the level 60s. There was/is a wave of people who got to 60 and got geared, and they are done with enchants -- and that is probably 75% of the population or more. Now people are working alts or the few buyers left are stragglers who just got into the game. Still plenty of buyers there, but its nothing like the new game demand of [no enchantments available much] and [tons of gotta have it now gotta win the game in a week] players looking to buy.
Look, its simple enough. The economy is a rotating / evolving thing. Something becomes desired and the value spikes. Then the farmers get wind of it and over-farm it and crash the profits. Then something else becomes the new desired item. Find something else to sell? Its not that hard.
finally someone who gets it without explanation
thank you
Like everyone else I pick up various enchants and runestones every now and then. I fuse them together, and when I have a level 5 one, I sell it - and while the income is not huge, it is a nice side benefit.
What annoys me is that it is getting less and less feasible for people like me to sell a handful of enchants every now and then because the prices are being driven lower and lower by people selling massive stacks - multiple stacks of 99 level 5 enchants - no way anyone can obtain that except by cheating or running an army of bots.
I play on Mindflayer, and today I noticed someone selling such stacks, and what's more, the character name was nothing but a blatant advertisement for a gold/AD selling site.
Still, Cryptic/PWE doesn't seem to care - this must hurt their Zen sales, so why on earth don't they crack down on people like this one?
Anyhow, this kind of things is seriously hurting my interest in the game - I have spent around $200 on the game - a fair amount in my opinion, considering the hours of fun I have gotten out of it, but as things stand, it seems unlikely that I will be giving Crypyic/PWE a dime more - their unwillingness (or incompetence) in dealing with problems like this is simply killing my interest in the game.
So, does Cryptic/PWE want honest, paying customers, or a game that is only a wasteland of bots running around?
There is no real economy in a game that you can buy in game currency with real money in. Inflation ruins the economy as there is an unlimited amount of in game currency available. Bots are the least of this games economy problems. Bots do ruin the game, but not in an economic way, not when you can exchange real money for in game currency. That is why games let you buy currency with real money, it discourages the bots and keeps prices ridiculously high. Look at D3 - economy worthless.
it seems its you not knowing what hes talking about
its normal that the number of enchants is growing
FACT
its normal that with alot of bots those numbers are growing faster then without bots
FACT
finally someone who gets it without explanation
thank you
Have to rely on someone else, huh? Yep, someone who can get it right by describing in detail, rather than writing a badly phrase sentence and ends with "It's normal". It will be wise to learn how to post from the poster.
Most importantly, this is a forum. Do not expect other to have your "same level" of reading comprehension, then starts a flame by saying "is reading comprehension really that low on these boards?" and be so shocked on why everyone is against you.
This topic is completely wrong for one obvious reason:
if prices get lower astral diamonds are worth more because you get less for selling items but you pay less for buying them as well.
And when astral diamonds are worth more, zen is worth less. Now you get 1 zen for 330 AD.
If you get less and less AD for items, amount of AD on auction house is lower as well which means than you will pay less for ZEN.
I wouldn't mind if zen was worth 250 or even 200 AD because that what will happen if prices will go down.
Every time when there is a price reduction of items astral diamonds are worth more. Which is a good thing. You will pay less for set items or companions because prices will be lower everywhere.
If zen will be cheaper in astral diamonds people won't be so fast to buy zen. So price of zen will fall as well because developers want zen to be worth much more than diamonds.
So how can you make a topic about the best thing which can happen to us and convince us that it's bad?
Bots aren't ruining the economy, they're running the Enchantment, crafting mats, and some (gold sellers) are even running the Shirts and Pants economy.
The economy has already been ruined since this game came out with the AD/AH exploit (a lot of people still haven't been caught), $200/$60 packs that gives 500k-2 million AD each, dozens of exploits that went unfixed for weeks and months, and Dungeon Delves handing everyone loot every few hours.
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I don't need to add the "right now" because you have stated that in your post. In case you missed it:
Growing means that is happening right now.
You don't even know what you wrote. Go figure.
FACT
so much for that
Simply put: often economies are ruined by printing more money, which in turn increases inflation. You see this often in corrupt third world countries.
Now back to the game. The OP didnt state the game is the economy; don't know why you went there. But, bots do indeed ruin the economy. I'll tell you how (again by inflation):
You play two/three hours per day. You keep the enchantments, gold, etc. you find to use them for trading later. Once you have made a level 5 enchantment you'd like to sell it, because you think it's worth quite some AD.
Now, the bots have played 24/7 and made 100 level 5 enchantments in the same time (e.g. a week) which make your "savings" decrease in value.
I hope I have answered your and many other questions.
It will not grow this much, hence it is not just "slower", it is a hell of a lot slower, hence it is not normal.
FACT.
Your statement is wrong.
Also FACT.
So much for that.
You making assumption, I supposed? Quote me where I said farmers = bots. All I said was "please take down the "the massive farmers just fastened the process" phrase, if you absolutely do not want to be associated with them.", with *ahem* THEM as in the farmers, stated by you ownself truely. You got a problem with that?
And sorry, but you have already started the flames, so you need not push the responsibility away. Only you can quench the flames you have started (or a mod, that is.), especially when bots are a big concern in Neverwinter.
you make no sense
Your statement that this was normal right now is wrong.
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Look, its simple enough. The economy is a rotating / evolving thing. Something becomes desired and the value spikes. Then the farmers get wind of it and over-farm it and crash the profits. Then something else becomes the new desired item. Find something else to sell? Its not that hard.
it seems its you not knowing what hes talking about
its normal that the number of enchants is growing
FACT
its normal that with alot of bots those numbers are growing faster then without bots
FACT
finally someone who gets it without explanation
thank you
There is no real economy in a game that you can buy in game currency with real money in. Inflation ruins the economy as there is an unlimited amount of in game currency available. Bots are the least of this games economy problems. Bots do ruin the game, but not in an economic way, not when you can exchange real money for in game currency. That is why games let you buy currency with real money, it discourages the bots and keeps prices ridiculously high. Look at D3 - economy worthless.
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Have to rely on someone else, huh? Yep, someone who can get it right by describing in detail, rather than writing a badly phrase sentence and ends with "It's normal". It will be wise to learn how to post from the poster.
Most importantly, this is a forum. Do not expect other to have your "same level" of reading comprehension, then starts a flame by saying "is reading comprehension really that low on these boards?" and be so shocked on why everyone is against you.
You know it's time for a topic to close when you have to page back more than twice to find a post that has anything to do with the op.
if prices get lower astral diamonds are worth more because you get less for selling items but you pay less for buying them as well.
And when astral diamonds are worth more, zen is worth less. Now you get 1 zen for 330 AD.
If you get less and less AD for items, amount of AD on auction house is lower as well which means than you will pay less for ZEN.
I wouldn't mind if zen was worth 250 or even 200 AD because that what will happen if prices will go down.
Every time when there is a price reduction of items astral diamonds are worth more. Which is a good thing. You will pay less for set items or companions because prices will be lower everywhere.
If zen will be cheaper in astral diamonds people won't be so fast to buy zen. So price of zen will fall as well because developers want zen to be worth much more than diamonds.
So how can you make a topic about the best thing which can happen to us and convince us that it's bad?
The economy has already been ruined since this game came out with the AD/AH exploit (a lot of people still haven't been caught), $200/$60 packs that gives 500k-2 million AD each, dozens of exploits that went unfixed for weeks and months, and Dungeon Delves handing everyone loot every few hours.