Corrupted FOUNDRY'S best/featured Sytem!

virtousviper · June 2013

That's all I have to say.
If you want proof....private message me - I'll give it to you.
All it will take is one person to leak this information.
Message me.

IF YOU ARE NOT! I REPEAT: IF YOU ARE NOT making this company money (whether it's through means of a 3rd party source, such as mmorpg.com or ign etc), then you will never be known. And the ONLY way to become part of these silly unreliable trends are to be in really close relations with them.
Ever hear this: Don't be a brown noser?

- Or don't BITE the HAND that feeds you? I'm sure you get it.

All in all, if you don't know this company through 3rd party or any other means, then you are just a player. Otherwise - you will be well known, a currently known marketing scheme that has been well employed for the health of this company.

Go ahead and back this up, I dare ya! Proof is what the people who play this game WANT and NEED finally. I'm ready and willing.

almostcool · June 2013

HAMSTER guiz he learned the secret!

He is right guiz... truly... I got a quest onto the "best" page not because I put a HAMSTER ton of time into it making a humorous, re-playable adventure with pop-culture references that people actually enjoy enough to give a high rating therefore rocketing me up to the "best" page, but because I am associated with a 3rd party that in some form or another makes Cryptic/PWE more money.

You see all of those 4 and 5 star ratings? They aren't actually real... Cryptic just has a highly payed team of individuals devoted to giving people like me misspelled praise. Now, you might be wondering, how do they afford such a team of highly skilled employees? Well, isn't it obvious? They can because of all the extra money I am making them of course. /sarcasm off

Seriously... you trolling.

lolsorhand · June 2013

almostcool wrote: »

HAMSTER guiz he learned the secret!

He is right guiz... truly... I got a quest onto the "best" page not because I put a HAMSTER ton of time into it making a humorous, re-playable adventure with pop-culture references that people actually enjoy enough to give a high rating therefore rocketing me up to the "best" page, but because I am associated with a 3rd party that in some form or another makes Cryptic/PWE more money.

You see all of those 4 and 5 star ratings? They aren't actually real... Cryptic just has a highly payed team of individuals devoted to giving people like me misspelled praise. Now, you might be wondering, how do they afford such a team of highly skilled employees? Well, isn't it obvious? They can because of all the extra money I am making them of course. /sarcasm off

Seriously... you trolling.

And you just bumped the thread, so I will to. lol xD

thestoryteller01 · June 2013

virtousviper wrote: »

That's all I have to say.
If you want proof....private message me - I'll give it to you.
All it will take is one person to leak this information.
Message me.

IF YOU ARE NOT! I REPEAT: IF YOU ARE NOT making this company money (whether it's through means of a 3rd party source, such as mmorpg.com or ign etc), then you will never be known. And the ONLY way to become part of these silly unreliable trends are to be in really close relations with them.
Ever hear this: Don't be a brown noser? - Or don't BITE the HAND that feeds you? I'm sure you get it.

All in all, if you don't know this company through 3rd party or any other means, then you are just a player. Otherwise - you will be well known, a currently known marketing scheme that has been well employed for the health of this company.

Go ahead and back this up, I dare ya! Proof is what the people who play this game WANT and NEED finally. I'm ready and willing.

Maybe it's because I am no native english speaker...but I couldn't really make heads or tails of the last 2 paragraphs O_o

lolsorhand · June 2013

thestoryteller01 wrote: »

Maybe it's because I am no native english speaker...but I couldn't really make heads or tails of the last 2 paragraphs O_o

I couldn't make sense of anything at all, except that almostcool is a secret agent hired by Cryptic! Whatever shall we do? :P

kamaliicious · June 2013

virtousviper wrote: »

That's all I have to say.
If you want proof....private message me - I'll give it to you.
All it will take is one person to leak this information.
Message me.

The fact PWE employees produce Foundry content not marked as from PWE is old news.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?244721-Review-for-Review-Running-Foundries-Non-Stop-All-Day!&p=3337262&viewfull=1#post3337262

So put up or shut up.

irtoof75 · June 2013

Meh. I don't create UGC because I want to be known. I create it because I have a story I want to tell and enjoy creating environments. If I become known in the process great. If Cryptic wants to create their own UGC great, more stuff for me to play and inspire me to create something better. If all an author cares about is getting into the Best/Featured they are going to be very sad and upset. Sweetness

lolsorhand · June 2013

irtoof75 wrote: »

Meh. I don't create UGC because I want to be known. I create it because I have a story I want to tell and enjoy creating environments. If I become known in the process great. If Cryptic wants to create their own UGC great, more stuff for me to play and inspire me to create something better. If all an author cares about is getting into the Best/Featured they are going to be very sad and upset. Sweetness

Yep, and yep. In the end it comes down to what -You- enjoy doing.

ovaltine74 · June 2013

Well I am not saying that there is any conspiracy going on, but when your quest was getting good reviews and then suddenly disappears from the catalogue you begin to look at conspiracy theorists in a different way. Especially when your posts about the problem are ignored, your customer service requests go unanswered. If you can get no official word on the bug that prevents players quests from showing up in the catalogue, you tend to start coming up with your own assumptions, like maybe it isn't a bug at all. Maybe my quest was intentionally blacklisted. Nobody seems to know why your quest has simply vanished into oblivion when others are highlighted for the world to see. Is there a conspiracy? I don't know. I just want my quest to show up so people can find it again.

anrix2 · June 2013

Believe me, my quest disappeared too. I chalk it up to terrible coding and a featureless catalog. All quests in the foundry make PW money, because it keeps players playing. They have no reason to de-list something other than it being a bug and a failure on behalf of their QA.

ovaltine74 · June 2013

anrix2 wrote: »

Believe me, my quest disappeared too. I chalk it up to terrible coding and a featureless catalog. All quests in the foundry make PW money, because it keeps players playing. They have no reason to de-list something other than it being a bug and a failure on behalf of their QA.

It would be nice if they addressed the issue directly instead of just ignoring it. It is kind of a big deal. I mean what is the point of making a quest if there is zero chance of anyone finding it.

Why give them the benefit of the doubt when they are ignoring you? Assume the worst when you are being ignored.

anrix2 · June 2013

Believe me, we are in the same boat, I feel your pain. I put about a months worth of time into refining my quest only to watch it day in and day out receive no plays. I am sure they will have this issue resolved, but for now I just take what I learned and make my next quest better than the one in the catalog. Personally, I just enjoy decorating a map and making costumes, whether I have 3 fans or 3000 is just icing. I am curious though if my quest would be relisted at 100 reviews when the weight of the adjusted average changes. I need 16 more reviews to find out...so far not a who lot of takers willing to help me with this experiment.

ovaltine74 · June 2013

I had 58 reviews, 33 of them 5 star reviews. It wasn't like my quest was terrible. It was pretty good. It was getting played everyday. It didn't get removed because it wasn't a good quest.

anrix2 · June 2013

No one said it got removed because it was a bad quest. I am just saying it probably didn't get removed for being a good quest. It is just a bug with their code, not a conspiracy. The reason we haven't heard back from their customer service is because their customer service is terrible. I am not over-thinking this or over-stressing it. As a matter of fact I'll help you out, I'll go and play your quest right now and get you out of the review phase. I'll wait it out on Mage Masher and see what happens if I hit that magic number

vuelhering · June 2013

ovaltine74 wrote: »

I had 58 reviews, 33 of them 5 star reviews. It wasn't like my quest was terrible. It was pretty good. It was getting played everyday. It didn't get removed because it wasn't a good quest.

I thought I saw yours yesterday when I was browsing the job board, ovaltine.

vuelhering · June 2013

virtousviper wrote: »

That's all I have to say.
If you want proof....private message me - I'll give it to you.
All it will take is one person to leak this information.
Message me.

IF YOU ARE NOT! I REPEAT: IF YOU ARE NOT making this company money (whether it's through means of a 3rd party source, such as mmorpg.com or ign etc), then you will never be known. And the ONLY way to become part of these silly unreliable trends are to be in really close relations with them.
Ever hear this: Don't be a brown noser? - Or don't BITE the HAND that feeds you? I'm sure you get it.

All in all, if you don't know this company through 3rd party or any other means, then you are just a player. Otherwise - you will be well known, a currently known marketing scheme that has been well employed for the health of this company.

Go ahead and back this up, I dare ya! Proof is what the people who play this game WANT and NEED finally. I'm ready and willing.

I kind of want proof myself....

ovaltine74 · June 2013

I had two reviews yesterday after not having any for days. I still can't find it on the new list in the catalogue or the best or the for review. I don't know how those two people found it. It is a mystery.

lovepeas · June 2013

Hi ovaltine74. I just checked and was able to find yours both with your short code and by searching your name. It also comes up using any of the search words such as "darkness," "mind," and "heart." Not sure when you first published, but I know that things only stay on the new list for a limited time period until they are no longer new. Hope that helps.

btw- I added it to my play list and will give it a shot tomorrow!

ovaltine74 · June 2013

lovepeas wrote: »

Hi ovaltine74. I just checked and was able to find yours both with your short code and by searching your name. It also comes up using any of the search words such as "darkness," "mind," and "heart." Not sure when you first published, but I know that things only stay on the new list for a limited time period until they are no longer new. Hope that helps.

btw- I added it to my play list and will give it a shot tomorrow!

I appreciate it. I believe you are wrong about them going off the new list after a certain amount of time though. There are quests that are older than mine that are still on there.

Edit: It would make sense for older quests to be removed from the new quest list. So let's say you are right. Let's assume my quest was removed because it was old. It took me three weeks to make my first quest. It was on the new list for a month. It was removed before I could finish my second quest. If that is the case, does it really pay to spend any time on creating your quests?

If they are removed from the new list after a certain amount of time, I would be okay with it IF there was another directory I could find my quest on. Making it completely unlisted is lame. The only way for people to find it is by accidently stumbling onto it through searching the database.

brunomalta · June 2013

I also have two quest for over a week up now. So far, no one played. I know they are not that good, but i liked making them and would love to hear feedback and tips.

zoiks100 · June 2013

I don't believe it's a conspiracy, I think it's just really bad design.

The search is nearly worthless because of what I can only assume are bugs in its coding. Generally you can only find a map by using search if you have the short code or they are IN one of the pregenerated lists. Outside of that you would have to be subscribed to the author, which is problematic since the search often won't work if you use the author's name and you can't subscribe to someone if you can't find any of their maps. The two search fields, one in the "Best" list and the other in the "New" one, can have widely differing results. And overall the search is just flaky as all heck, I've been able to find maps by partial name, author name, or terms in the description that weren't anywhere in any of the pregenerated lists and other times I can't find those SAME quests with anything but the short code, and only by inputting it into the "Best" search, not the "New" one.

And that greatly exacerbates the other issue of what exactly are they using to create those pregenerated lists? Just from looking at them occasionally you can tell it's not the number of plays, it's not date created, it's not time spent in the lists, it's not rating, what in the world is it? I can only assume it's either very buggy and badly designed code, or people selecting them manually. If it's the former, it desperately needs to be fixed since I'm sure there's a ton of at least equally good player generated content that never sees the light of day, and if it's the latter then they need to create an automated system or hire some new people to improve the filtering of quests.

xhrit · June 2013

I made my foundry quests because I wanted to have some quests to play for my daily that were not lore breaking or full of errors. Also I wanted an easy way to farm devil slayer titles on my alts.

If I wanted fame and glory I would make my own game from scratch. That way someday I can actually make money for the work I do, instead of letting some other company reap all the rewards for my efforts.

>,<

savaikun · June 2013

I am thinking it's a little bit of something else, to be honest. I don't think it's a conspiracy.

For example:
I found these 2 reviews on my quest within the last 24 hours. In my 'personal' opinion, I am thinking it's only a way to sabotage my work in order to decrease my review ratings and increase someone else'.

While I do implore criticisms, I am thinking the mediocrity of this system is a very subtle way to negatively target authors and hold them back.

I am not thinking my quest is a 5/5, but it's definitely not a 2. What I find interesting though is that these two reviews have almost the same element behind their reasons as to why they gave me a 2/5 (the author's work looks as if it was 'practice,' and/or 'learning') - which is fine! If that is what you felt I deserved, then that is your subjective opinion.

But it's my OPINION that these are ways to attempt to sabotage my ratings, which is a little sad. I mean, instead of doing something like that why not just make another account and run your own quest and give it a 5/5 (which I know a lot of authors do this already to gain reverence). Let it be known that is the ONLY time I've ever gotten a 2 on my work.

Your seemingly little reviews will not bother me. But I do want to let other authors out there know that these types of things do happen within the foundry community and with no reason behind it, really. It's a sad, cruel world but what can ya do?

Good day folks! And happy foundry editing!

Savai,

dzogen · June 2013

virtousviper wrote: »

That's all I have to say.
If you want proof....private message me - I'll give it to you.
All it will take is one person to leak this information.
Message me.

IF YOU ARE NOT! I REPEAT: IF YOU ARE NOT making this company money (whether it's through means of a 3rd party source, such as mmorpg.com or ign etc), then you will never be known. And the ONLY way to become part of these silly unreliable trends are to be in really close relations with them.
Ever hear this: Don't be a brown noser? - Or don't BITE the HAND that feeds you? I'm sure you get it.

All in all, if you don't know this company through 3rd party or any other means, then you are just a player. Otherwise - you will be well known, a currently known marketing scheme that has been well employed for the health of this company.

Go ahead and back this up, I dare ya! Proof is what the people who play this game WANT and NEED finally. I'm ready and willing.

Proof is that you are a troll, and the alt of a failed author.

For someone who claims to be a highly respected author in other games, yet hasn't made a single quest in this game, you spend an awful bunch of time spouting nonsense and conspiracy theories about how the man is keeping authors down.

Here's some tough love:

The reason why you fail is because you are bad. Sorry, but someone's gotta level with you and give you the honest truth. Look at Almostcool. I was gone 2 weeks and now he's #1 out of nowhere. Put up a good quest, and people will play and share it. That's all.

PS. what you think are good quests, aren't. Which is why it's so confusing to you why fun quests are on the best list. Bye.

wuhsin · June 2013

I PMed the op for proof and so far have gotten nothing in response..

ovaltine74 · June 2013

savaikun wrote: »

I found these 2 reviews on my quest within the last 24 hours. In my 'personal' opinion, I am thinking it's only a way to sabotage my work in order to decrease my review ratings and increase someone else'.

Of course there is no way to prove someone is doing that, but I am sure it goes on. It is of course another foundry author, we all know that. It is pretty pathetic that someone would create a new account just to grief other foundry authors. However I look at it this way. Those types of people are not the norm in the community. Most authors would not do something like that. Most players in the game would not do something like that. I have heard that even the authors that have made it to the best list or have been featured get these types of reviews from time to time, so it is a wash. It all evens out in the end. Your not going to get all five star reviews, and occasionally someone is going to try and trash your work to spite you. If it is any comfort to you, a person that would do something like this is probably a very sad individual that can't look himself in the mirror half the time because he hates what he sees. He is miserable with himself and the only comfort in life he can get is to try and make others miserable. Pity them.

savaikun · June 2013

ovaltine74 wrote: »

Of course there is no way to prove someone is doing that, but I am sure it goes on. It is of course another foundry author, we all know that. It is pretty pathetic that someone would create a new account just to grief other foundry authors. However I look at it this way. Those types of people are not the norm in the community. Most authors would not do something like that. Most players in the game would not do something like that. I have heard that even the authors that have made it to the best list or have been featured get these types of reviews from time to time, so it is a wash. It all evens out in the end. Your not going to get all five star reviews, and occasionally someone is going to try and trash your work to spite you. If it is any comfort to you, a person that would do something like this is probably a very sad individual that can't look himself in the mirror half the time because he hates what he sees. He is miserable with himself and the only comfort in life he can get is to try and make others miserable. Pity them.

Wow Ovaltine, thanks for repressing my thoughts on how negative the community can actually be with one another. You, my friend are wonderful! Thank for cheering me up - you are so right in the avenues in which you spoke.
Thanks,

Savai,

zovya · June 2013

It's all true. My quest was only featured because I am dating the CEO's son.

wuhsin · June 2013

ovaltine74 wrote: »

It is of course another foundry author, we all know that.

Yes, we all know....

lovepeas · June 2013

zovya wrote: »

It's all true. My quest was only featured because I am dating the CEO's son.

What! I dated that guy and only got on the best list.

/must get some tips from Zovya

thestoryteller01 · June 2013

zovya wrote: »

It's all true. My quest was only featured because I am dating the CEO's son.

He has a SON???? Omg, I thought it was his daughter O_o

No wonder, that my quests are going into oblivion as soon as I publish them.....

Corrupted FOUNDRY'S best/featured Sytem!

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