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How to one shot anyone in pvp without them ever seeing you
quitegonejin
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I want to call to attention something that is destroying the balance in pvp (what little we have at all) in hopes that it gets nerfed hard. But until then, if you want to one shot anyone without them ever having a chance to fight back, this is what you do:
So rogues have 3 ways of re-entering stealth in succession right after they pop, the ability to get off a full chain of throwing daggers before popping stealth (clone, shadowstrike iirc) AND they can frontload 20k+ (that is the low end) dmg from Tene procs BEFORE THEY LEAVE STEALTH FROM RANGED. So this cheese build allows them to do that back to back 1, from stealth, 2 from clone staying stealthed, 3 from shadowstrike re-entering stealth once again and if they use the talent that allows you to build stealth meter without loss from damage they can then instantly start this all over again. PERMANENTLY NEVER LEAVING STEALTH and one shotting people with dagger throws. Just right clicking from ranged while completely invisible and winning.
Now, I have a 13k GS rogue (among other toons that should be viable for pvp) and I can afford the tene-cheese build but refuse to do it in hopes that it will be nerfed, but until it does there is no competing with it in pvp. At all. Nerf it into the F'Kn ground now. not "Soon™" but right now.
The pvp in this game is just terrible. No matter how cool the abilities are, ragdoll effects and combat interactions, you couple the worst balance in an mmo ever with a cash shop and broken queue's that allow 3v5's and you let it ride like that for weeks. This is my 1st experience with PWE, but not Cryptic and to be honest I am ashamed I ever called myself a fan of Cryptic. All the years I spent talking them up over CoH are a complete regret for me.
Game feels like a massive cash grab.
Rogues should be appalled at this, this is one of the reasons you will get your class nerfed hard, and it will <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you off but it will be ebcause of these procs and not your class. Sadly, if Tene's arent fixed soon I can imagine misguided people blaming the class and not knowing better.
Oh, more examples for the other classes, a Greater plague fire in your main hand, a soulforge in your armor and greater tene's in all your offense slots for the win, tank classes, build all tank, spec all tank/hp and use these enchants. They procc off your max health so the tankier you are the more damage you can frontload. GWFs are great for this as they have good tanky sets, fast attack speed and aoes for proccing. GF's also. Mages with this and the shadow weave ? (crit severity set) can proc eye of the storm then double tab enfeebles for a free kill. Tenes can proc off every dot tick...
Clerics might be the only class that cannot use this cheesy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> to win. Oh well, sorry guys.
So rogues have 3 ways of re-entering stealth in succession right after they pop, the ability to get off a full chain of throwing daggers before popping stealth (clone, shadowstrike iirc) AND they can frontload 20k+ (that is the low end) dmg from Tene procs BEFORE THEY LEAVE STEALTH FROM RANGED. So this cheese build allows them to do that back to back 1, from stealth, 2 from clone staying stealthed, 3 from shadowstrike re-entering stealth once again and if they use the talent that allows you to build stealth meter without loss from damage they can then instantly start this all over again. PERMANENTLY NEVER LEAVING STEALTH and one shotting people with dagger throws. Just right clicking from ranged while completely invisible and winning.
Now, I have a 13k GS rogue (among other toons that should be viable for pvp) and I can afford the tene-cheese build but refuse to do it in hopes that it will be nerfed, but until it does there is no competing with it in pvp. At all. Nerf it into the F'Kn ground now. not "Soon™" but right now.
The pvp in this game is just terrible. No matter how cool the abilities are, ragdoll effects and combat interactions, you couple the worst balance in an mmo ever with a cash shop and broken queue's that allow 3v5's and you let it ride like that for weeks. This is my 1st experience with PWE, but not Cryptic and to be honest I am ashamed I ever called myself a fan of Cryptic. All the years I spent talking them up over CoH are a complete regret for me.
Game feels like a massive cash grab.
Rogues should be appalled at this, this is one of the reasons you will get your class nerfed hard, and it will <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you off but it will be ebcause of these procs and not your class. Sadly, if Tene's arent fixed soon I can imagine misguided people blaming the class and not knowing better.
Oh, more examples for the other classes, a Greater plague fire in your main hand, a soulforge in your armor and greater tene's in all your offense slots for the win, tank classes, build all tank, spec all tank/hp and use these enchants. They procc off your max health so the tankier you are the more damage you can frontload. GWFs are great for this as they have good tanky sets, fast attack speed and aoes for proccing. GF's also. Mages with this and the shadow weave ? (crit severity set) can proc eye of the storm then double tab enfeebles for a free kill. Tenes can proc off every dot tick...
Clerics might be the only class that cannot use this cheesy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> to win. Oh well, sorry guys.
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And why are there so many rogues in your opinion you genius ?
Kiddos love easy wins...
Because of that, I run with the same enchants because it's the only way to be competitive at endgame pvp. I thought my original build of 2.2k arm pen, 50% crit with overrun critical and vorpal enchant was the way to go but I was wrong. Replaced my rank 7 dark & azure enchants with tenebrous, vorpal for GPF, and it's like night and day when it comes to the overall damage output I originally had.
The only reason so many players play them is because there is no point in playing the other classes unless they get a nerf.
Another person who can't read. TR's are fine, TENE's need removing or retooling.
I mean, I imagine they've made at least a few hundred thousand dollars off people buying them already. Do you think anyone's caught onto the scam yet?
Uh oh, someone's seen through the smoke screen! Rebalance! Rebalance!
Since this combination of Plaguefire/Tenebrous enchantments can allow players to kill each other much faster than (I assume) is intended by the developers, I'd say a nerf of some kind is justified, here.
-Travail.
Why would they nerf them? EVERYONE can get enchants, if all/most players have these enchants who cares? Everyone is essentially on the same footing. Rogues might need to be toned down a bit, but for the most part this game is really well balanced.
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It doesn't matter if everyone can get them. The fact that you can be killed by rogues who utilitize these procs before ever coming out of stealth means they are grossly OP. you can't do much to prevent this damage when the rogue is stealthed and using a ranged attack.
If everyone can benefit from the Tenebrous enchant then why is it a problem? Except maybe not Clerics. If everyone can do it, doesn't that mean the playing field is still level?
It means it's level only as long as you are using these two enchantments. Certainly the others are supposed to be useful as well?
It's a PvP build. If you want to PvP, then make that build. People can beg for balance 7 days a week, but at the end of the day, there is always one optimal build...
Sorry but on any class you'll still pretty much ohko.
Rogue's stealth should only apply to melee, range stealth is too much.
i like your usage of the word 'limited'. very creative
giving tr's so much range and mobility is just a mistake. add in unlimited stealth and it's just broken in pvp
I don't disagree.
But this is a thread about stealthy one-shotting tr builds
Pretty sure that he did. You wrote that stealth is worked. He answered that they won't nerf is because all PvPers play stealth.
Solid argument, if you ask me: PvP in this game is for exploiters only and they seem to be 100% OK with that. So, why would they change something, knowing fully well that only cheaters PvP in this game anyway?
It's the flat -50% mitigation debuff from Ray of Skill doing that, not the stunlock itself.
I have a stunlock build that's 100% focused on just Recovery/CC/Defensive stats and if I don't use Ray I'll tickle people, then use Ray and people melt.
Because the enchants in question have the unintended consequence of making the (pvp) game suck.
I do agree with the op btw, making one enchant disable all the others (ore a combination of 2) should never be intented by design and should be nerfed.
I didn't realize all classes had stealth and a ranged attack to use while in stealth! Oh I get it, you're saying everyone should be playing TRs with stacked tenebrous enchants. Sounds like fun pvp!
It should be the only thing to remove.