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TR lower damage then DC and CW at endgame
selonw
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 258
There are several reports comming in that CW and DC are outdpsing TR in 50+ dungeons
This is something Cryptic needs to look into fast, stop listening to all the rogue nerfcalling posts from lvl 20 players.
Classes with alot more utilities shouldnt outdps a pure striker class
This is something Cryptic needs to look into fast, stop listening to all the rogue nerfcalling posts from lvl 20 players.
Classes with alot more utilities shouldnt outdps a pure striker class
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There are reports coming in that the Eiffel Tower has fallen.
There are reports coming in that aliens have landed in Mexico.
See what I did there? Unless you can cite a credible source, I'm just going to wave this off as nothing important. And since every previous experience indicates otherwise, I have no reason to believe you.
If the CW and DC are indeed doing more damage than the TR at 60, or heck even 50, it should be looked at.
However, if they are pulling ahead due to their ranged aoe on trash mobs between boss fights, I don't really see a problem. Those are just filler fights to add crawl to the dungeon.
High level CW's are indeed scoring significant AoE damage. The TR still does a lot more damage to a single target, by CW's and DC's have some excellent AoE effects that do add up.
This is false (and hasn't been the case with DC since BWE2). As far as CW, also false on the Beta builds. The person may have made this assessment breaking alpha NDA. Alpha typically has bugs, but they get fixed.
Ok, I can see his claim for the CW, even though the guy says a good TR does 15% more damage, but what about the DC?
I do know the DC has great burst aoe damage, but the sustained just isn't there.
However PvE I generally did more of the beating.
Let's think of an example: There are 6 mobs grouped up. The TR throws off a skill and hits one of them for 6k. The CW throws off an AoE skill and hits all 6 for 2k. 2k x 6 = 12k. Seeing how they're passing TR in damage now? Striker role (which is what TR is) excels in single-target DPS, taking out the big guys quickly. Controller role (which is what CW is) excels in control skills and AoE damage, weakening all of the smaller guys.
100% this. Overall damage is always going to go to the AOE classes. Single target is going to go to TR. And all the bosses spam adds at you on top of all the mob encounters on the way.
This is why sometimes damage meters and such are a totally bad idea. Nobody puts them in perspective.
At 50 I have never seen a cleric or wizard out dps a rogue that is actually playing, I have however seen rogues out dpsed that have been afk for over 50% of the dungeon, strange no?
I wouldn't be surprised if cleric aoes start to suffer from the same that GWF do however where the damage is a set total amount but when hitting more than one it splits the damage across the targets... Think the change will hurt our overall damage in the long run but it may happen, classes seam to enjoy throwing poo at each other these days.
is this post about dps or damage done? people seam to get these two confused so often these days as well! and stop taking man at arm companions and clerics if you want to score top of the damage, their damage done also counts towards yours.
jkaplan92: "yeah, I was doing dungeons with a really skilled rogue the other day and that was the one that did about 15% more damage than me. I did dungeons with another rogue at 50 earlier in the day and literally doubled his damage, generally I think 15% is about where rogues dps will fall given equal skill, and I agree that that margin is arguably too low given the CC and utility that wizards have. Control Wizards should not pull equal dps to rogues... If you want to top the charts every game play a rogue, if you want to play a really fun class that does a lot of damage while having tons of cc and utility, play control wizard. Our CC is far better than a rogues at level 50 so if we did equal damage it would be imbalanced.
That said, at lower levels rogue does more than 15% more damage, and rogue is by far the easiest class to solo and level as, soI understand the sentiment of people feeling it is overpowered, but at level 50 I don't think it is, it is by far the best soloer, but in group play it is pretty balanced in my opinion."
Rogues should do more than 15% than a CW IMO. Otherwise, why not just take more CW's for the control and utility.
Now, obviously this is anecdotal (which is all we have to argue on ANYWAY), and just the experience of one CW. I just wanted to link the actual quote people are referencing.
Ambisinisterr:
To avoid confusion the citation in this post is from this thread.
So this post, which is referencing the quote from my above post, is clearly not correct.
He did not say that most rogues did "considerably" more damage. There were 2 rogues in his quote, one did 15% more, and the other did 50% LESS.
I am sure Cryptic has been monitoring metrics of the game and will continually adjust them as they analyze them.
A rogue pulling 15% more overall damage than a CW is actually quite impressive, considering the TR will almost always be focusing on a single target, while the CW will be hitting many things at once.
Like I said before, in groups TRs are built to quickly eliminate a powerful single enemy before it can do to much to stop the party. This also includes bosses. CW are built to AoE / CC the multiple surrounding weaker mobs so the party doesn't get overwhelmed.
This means that, since the CW is focusing on more mobs simultaneously, he will do more OVERALL damage, but come nowhere near matching the single-target DPS that a TR can put out.
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This person knows what they are talking about. After (not even) 12 days of beta game access, everyone thinks they know what's best for entire game moving forward.
Never mind the fact that there were entire levels and swaths of content simply unavailable during those beta events. But I guess I'm forgetting that taking a character to level 30 makes someone an expert.
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Yes, a cleric or wizard can show up in first or second place in damage done when trivial trash mobs are considered, but on boss fights, the fights that matter, they are far behind rogues
Lastly, rogue is not the only dps class, basically all classes are dps with a secondary role that involves either short term CC or very light healing which does not compare to pot spaming
Wait ... did I just end up in -4STR thread again?
I'd just like to point out, that I'm coming from a game where the community crying out is what has been motivating the devs in their balancing patches, and it ruins games. Some classes will do more damage, some wont, but they have internal testers and they will be monitoring the math in-house. Nothing too game-breaking will get past their extensive QA.
You don't need some indicator like that, because it'll only start the QQ on the forums when people look at these DPS charts. Because eventually you will hit a PUG, and some CW is just going to be plain better than everyone else in the party and is going to out-dps others by 50%. Everyone will start crying for CW nerfs.
Next PUG, the CW is absolute trash who only uses his at-wills. Everyone will cry for CW buffs. Just like the evidence the OP pointed to: he was in a party with a skilled player, that player had high-dps. Next party, he was with a bad player, that player had crappy DPS.
They aren't going to start balancing because a few TRs are just plain bad, and it shows on charts.
I saw ze Germans are working on a DPS add on, hopefully it works for us English speaking folk.