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Rogues r not thieves (thieves suck)
talonvector
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 114 Bounty Hunter
Might as well call the great weapon fighter thread Brute Thug, but any way done with that and on to 1 thing I have noticed with the ROGUE class, and was wondering if the issue would b fixed or if they even see it as an issue. The ROGUE 
runs with his hands like he has weapons in it even though he dosnt, or maybe I should say his hands appear to have weapons in them when he dosnt when running around. Any way Im sure u get the point, and all though this is not a big deal I still ask WHYYYYYYYYYYY. With love of coarse, have a good 1.
runs with his hands like he has weapons in it even though he dosnt, or maybe I should say his hands appear to have weapons in them when he dosnt when running around. Any way Im sure u get the point, and all though this is not a big deal I still ask WHYYYYYYYYYYY. With love of coarse, have a good 1. Post edited by talonvector on
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Actually your post is kind of weird dude. You have a subject yet you start talking about something totally different. And just to let you know yes a Rogue is a Thief.
Umm, then according to both the Player's Handbook AND this MMO, why do rogues automatically get the skills stealth and thievery. So what other purpose would they need thievery for? Politics??
Wrong, the dictionary defines a rogue as someone who is dishonest or knavish. These of course are qualities often associated in thieves, but one does not have to be dishonest or knavish in order to be a thief. Further, not everyone whom displays these traits is a thief.
"You look surprised to see me. If you'd been paying attention, you might still be alive."
Rogues are cunning and elusive adversaries. Rogues slip into and out of the shadows on a whim, pass anywhewre across the field of battle without fear of reprisal, and appear suddenly only to drive home a lethal blade.
As a rogue, you might face others' perceptions regarding your motivations, but your nature is your own mold. You could be an agent fresh from the king's shattered intelligence network, an accused criminal on the lam seeking to clear your name, a wiry performer whose goals transcend the theatrical stage, a kid trying to turn around your hard luck story, or a daredevil thrill-seeker who can't get enough of the adrenaline rush of conflict. Or perhaps you are merely in it for the gold, after all.
With a blade up your sleeve and concealing cloak across your shoulders, you stride forth, eyes alight with anticipation. What worldly wonders and rewards are yours for the taking?
It's safe to say that the OP is right. Rogues are Rogues, not necessarily thieves.
This is straight out from the 4th edition core rulebook.
Well in this game, they're called trickster rogues, not thieves. So there.
No, in 4th edition they are called trickster rogue.
I would have let the historical D&D interchanging of rogue and thief go but you made a major mistake with 4E here.
Rogue(Scoundrel) are a core based 4e class introduced in the D&D PH. Rogue(Thief) is a D&D Essentials class with a different line of powers (even IF similar) from the Heroes of the Fallen Lands book. So no, your 4E "typical" rogues are NOT thieves and they are different builds even if sub-classes.
And to the OP, after reading your post (which honestly was a little confusing to me,) it seems your conclusion is the rogue MMO class appeared to run funnily with their stance, is that correct?
Havn't really read nor played with the 4e ruleset, all I can say is what the lead designer of dungeons and dragons has written about rogues in it's current state after 3rd and 4th edition changes. There's multiple types of rogues though and I do know that, but that doesn't change the fact that they used to be named thieves. And this MMO is based of a modified 4e ruleset if I'm not mistaken, and it clearly says they have "thieving" abilities in the character creation, so it would be safe to assume that Rogues in this DnD game, is actually a type of thief.
Just because they have a thieving ability doesn't mean I have to use it, because maybe my character isn't a thief.
Look, bud, they're called rogues for a reason. Let it go.
Look, bud, the characteristics of a rogue in dnd is thievery, stealth, bluff, aerobatics and you're really good with taking advantage of combat advantage to dash out damage, it says so on wizards description of them. All builds have the ability thievery (from what I've seen when it comes to 4e). Just because you choose not to use it doesn't alleviate the fact that in dnd rogues are thieves.
If this doesn't justify in Cryptic to name the rogue section of the forum to The Thieve's Den then I have nothing more to say.
What is posted elsewhere, cannot change the rule of their own book unless they release a new one.
Besides, you should really lay off the attitude. It is an official definition and it is from the core rulebook that this game is based on.
And yet they're still called rogues. Your argument=Invalid.
Failed Troll
And YOU r not a gud speller.
Silverblade (60 TR), Silver (60 DC), SilverShield (60 GF), SilverStorm (60 CW), Ultimate (60 GWF)
You sir! are correct!
A thief is considered a rogue, even back in the medieval days.
Level: ???
Server: Dragon
Class: Great Weapon Fighter
Mount: Medium Tiger
Companion: Gray Wolf
You go ahead and play as Sam Fisher and we'll just play Neverwinter. Seems fair to me!
Then I declare Harry Potter a rogue wizard!
Seriously, the lore connected to the game states clearly a rogue has many jobs, and being a thief "CAN" be one of them.