You get early access to the open beta tests. Directly stated in the news posts and threads.
Between the video that implies early access to the game (like every other MMO with pre-order headstart early access), the news post saying early access to open beta, and the two pages that describe in detail the Founder Packs that state early access, I don't think things are all that cut and dry.
Many games in the past have done these early access promotions with pre-orders and they've always been early access to the actual game, not the open beta. I guess in my mind it doesn't make sense why they would offer early access to open beta, assuming characters don't roll over.
3 different statements from official postings. Could we possibly get a red post to check and clarify for us? Sorry ambisinisterr I don't mean to doubt you, but... I do have a little doubt.. hehe. If someone of full authority clarifies though that would be awesome.
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xearrikMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 323Arc User
Cash grabbing at its best. Not having all items in the ridiculously high priced pack, thus making you buy all packs if you want all of the items dropped my enthusiasm down to about 10%. Am all for supporting a game if it's deserving but blatantly taking advantage of the customer base is sickening.
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You get early access to the open beta tests. Directly stated in the news posts and threads.
Yes, but the "early access" thing is early access to launch, AFTER beta. It's the same thing they did in CoH, CoV, CO, and STO, and the same thing that was done in nearly every MMO that's launched in the last decade; after Open Beta there's a character wipe, then when they set up the Live servers, various kinds of preorder get Early Access with no wipe. It's a few days head start on the live game.
That's what they mean when they say "Early Access". They also, in this case, mean Open Beta, but I promise you they will wipe Open Beta characters. I can only think of one beta in the whole industry in the last few years where that didn't happen, and it was widely regarded in the industry as a bad idea. That game was kind of stuck, as they'd opened up the cash shop during Open Beta, so they couldn't wipe people who'd spent money. But it meant they were also stuck with the codebase and data models that went into open beta, and had to treat them like live production data, because they were. That was a small shop that got their hands on a big game by extreme fortune, and they had to learn a lesson the hard way.
In CO and STO you could. Also in every other Early Access I've ever been in.
Indeed. I made my fleet in STO during early access. Didn't they call it head start? Might be confusing my lotro early access though on the name. I'd find it odd if guilds were disabled during the early access. We (Mods) haven't heard either way though, it's being inquired upon.
Hero of the North purchasers will be able to log in to the Live gameFive days early.
Guardian of Neverwinter purchasers will be able to log in to the Live game Three days early.
Thank you melanderi for clearing that up. You might want to change the different news articles in the forums and on the main pages news page that states early access to open beta. The actual Founders Pack pages simply say "Early Access" which I think most people would assume meant early access to live game play. I believe in the video it also states something like "play before your friends" which I think most people would assume live game again.
It was those news articles that stated early access to open beta that is causing so much confusion.
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kalizaarMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Indeed. I made my fleet in STO during early access. Didn't they call it head start? Might be confusing my lotro early access though on the name. I'd find it odd if guilds were disabled during the early access. We (Mods) haven't heard either way though, it's being inquired upon.
Yeah over the years different games have used different terminology. "Head Start" in my mind makes it seem more special than "Early Access", so is maybe a better marketing tool.
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Thank you melanderi for clearing that up. You might want to change the different news articles in the forums and on the main pages news page that states early access to open beta.
It was those news articles that stated early access to open beta that is causing so much confusion.
Message has already been relayed to the CM with all of the incorrect news articles I could find.
It should be resolved ASAP.
I'll take a moment to apologize. I never would have expected three different news posts as well as the Kotaku Press Release to be wrong.
Is it too much to ask for an actual matrix of what is in each pack?
The current lists are more graphics than detail, and not exactly easy to compare against each other. Because your tier structure runs contrary to what your target market has come to expect, you really need to communicate this as clearly and as simply as possible
Also, it may save you a lot of refunds to customers who assumed that higher tiers included everything from lower tiers.
I'm sorry for those completionists that "must have all".
Some of us are not into playing Darkelves. Why would a human want to ride a spider? Why would I want to have a kitty as a companion. Isn't a dog man's best friend?
For $200 you get a lot of items which are aimed at a certain crowd. If they made like 4+ themed $200 packs one for most races, people would not be wondering why the $60 is not included. I don't believe Drizzt is the only frontman Forgotten Realms has to offer.
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yes, but the "early access" thing is early access to launch, AFTER beta. It's the same thing they did in CoH, CoV, CO, and STO, and the same thing that was done in nearly every MMO that's launched in the last decade; after Open Beta there's a character wipe, then when they set up the Live servers, various kinds of preorder get Early Access with no wipe. It's a few days head start on the live game.
That's what they mean when they say "Early Access". They also, in this case, mean Open Beta, but I promise you they will wipe Open Beta characters. I can only think of one beta in the whole industry in the last few years where that didn't happen, and it was widely regarded in the industry as a bad idea. That game was kind of stuck, as they'd opened up the cash shop during Open Beta, so they couldn't wipe people who'd spent money. But it meant they were also stuck with the codebase and data models that went into open beta, and had to treat them like live production data, because they were. That was a small shop that got their hands on a big game by extreme fortune, and they had to learn a lesson the hard way.
So you obviously are forgetting Path of Exile? In Open Beta and promised NOT to do any more wipes since closed beta ended.
I'm not touching any other topics here until we get more updates....three whole news articles ..and that's how Cryptic always first relays its release info no less.
It also looks like the $60 pack doesn't come with a small bag of holding, unlike the other two packs. I suspect that all packs include everything from the packs beneath them, since that is usually how these things work. But they need to clarify this. Even though I have no interest in the $200 pack, the reality is, a lot of people who get it will be expecting to also have access to the armored horse and wolf pet. There will be some pretty irate players come launch if that doesn't happen.
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Some of us are not into playing Darkelves. Why would a human want to ride a spider? Why would I want to have a kitty as a companion. Isn't a dog man's best friend?
Roleplaying reasons based on the character concept and/or background? Oh, the "kitty" is not just a "Renegade Drow Ranger" animal. I'm quite sure that Druids (not in game... yet) could choose them as much as choosing wolves or tigers. Plus the Guardian pack has a Direwolf. Tamed Direwolf, I suppose. Wonder why a Wizard or a Rogue would have one?
For $200 you get a lot of items which are aimed at a certain crowd. If they made like 4+ themed $200 packs one for most races, people would not be wondering why the $60 is not included. I don't believe Drizzt is the only frontman Forgotten Realms has to offer.
I agree. There should have been different Hero packs with different "role-models" (that are related to Neverwinter?). But at the same time, if people is already complaining that to have all they must spend $280... can you imagine what they would say if there were, for example, another three different Hero packs* (like some Elminster pack or whatever character that actually appears in the Neverwinter novels).
I'm quite sure that Elminster fans would have loved Elminster instead of Drizzt but then, wizard haters and Elminster haters would complain too...
* in this case, each different Hero pack could be bought once? Would involve cutting off some items from accumulating but compesate it by lowering the price?
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im just sad the 60$ one doesnt bring bag expansions like the other 2 packs but ill just wait for bag expansions to be on sale ingame and hopefullythey dont cast an arm and a leg Q-Q also anyone else having issues with their titles? i got my pack lastnight and i still cant change my title o-o
I was considering this, but the requirement to buy all 3 kits to get everything has turned me off. I'd go the $200 path if I could get the Horse and dog too. (Yes Panther's are cool, but I just don't want to be a Drizzt clone.) And I think spiders are too creepy. So, yah good luck and all, but never mind.
I did Lifetime Subs for Cryptics last two games (CO and STO). I really thought I would here too. But I'm not doing $260 just to get a mixed kit.
I was considering this, but the requirement to buy all 3 kits to get everything has turned me off. I'd go the $200 path if I could get the Horse and dog too. (Yes Panther's are cool, but I just don't want to be a Drizzt clone.) And I think spiders are too creepy. So, yah good luck and all, but never mind.
I did Lifetime Subs for Cryptics last two games (CO and STO). I really thought I would here too. But I'm not doing $260 just to get a mixed kit.
yea i sorta wish they would let you pick on the 60$ kit like make it so you could choose spider or horse & dog or panther and just include all 4 for the 200$ pack itd atleast make it seem worth 200$ i mean really all your getting there is a crapton more astral diamons and a few perks which no offense but for 200$ or waiting a week to try out the game and see if i liked it or not id rather wait the week
So you obviously are forgetting Path of Exile? In Open Beta and promised NOT to do any more wipes since closed beta ended.
OK, that makes two. I declined my invite to Path of Exile.
That's another indie developer, using Open Beta as a marketing tool instead of a testing tool, IMHO. It's not what the industry means when they say Open Beta.
I'm actually pretty surprised that the bigger packs don't include the stuff from the lower priced packs. $200 seemed pretty steep when I thought it was including items from other packs; it seems even less attractive now.
I've got a catch-22 feeling about buying any of the pre-order packs. On one hand I'd like to see the game succeed based on the information I've seen thus far, but on the other hand my personal "donation" of $60 or $200 isn't likely to impact whether the game ends up with a large enough community and enough content to sustain the game longer term.
If perfect world is going to be gouging their beta players this bad, then I'm definitely not getting this game. Usualy a full game cost about $50-$60 and that's for the really good ones. Exactly how does a mount and a mask and a couple other in game items amount to an over $500 value. shure they mark it down to $200 but how exactly is it really worth over $500.
If perfect world is going to be gouging their beta players this bad, then I'm definitely not getting this game. Usualy a full game cost about $50-$60 and that's for the really good ones. Exactly how does a mount and a mask and a couple other in game items amount to an over $500 value. shure they mark it down to $200 but how exactly is it really worth over $500.
Most MMORPGs have a $60 package at launch, and a $150-$200 package at launch, each of which contain special items. The $150-$200 package usually includes something flashy like a blue "more money than sense club" title. This is normal. Launch entails costs above and beyond the ongoing ones; you have more developers, they've spent years of time and effort, and you've got massive marketing costs. It all happens with no income for three to five years, then you recoup it at launch. This is business as usual.
Oh, and usually the forums have a few days of people complaining that buying these things encourages more studios to engage in such shameless money grabs, and how the practice would cease instantly if only enough people didn't buy this one. Lasts about a week.
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mosnacky01Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
My Question is: Is the Hero of the North package a limited time option?
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Between the video that implies early access to the game (like every other MMO with pre-order headstart early access), the news post saying early access to open beta, and the two pages that describe in detail the Founder Packs that state early access, I don't think things are all that cut and dry.
Many games in the past have done these early access promotions with pre-orders and they've always been early access to the actual game, not the open beta. I guess in my mind it doesn't make sense why they would offer early access to open beta, assuming characters don't roll over.
3 different statements from official postings. Could we possibly get a red post to check and clarify for us? Sorry ambisinisterr I don't mean to doubt you, but... I do have a little doubt.. hehe. If someone of full authority clarifies though that would be awesome.
One word... Weak!
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
Yes, but the "early access" thing is early access to launch, AFTER beta. It's the same thing they did in CoH, CoV, CO, and STO, and the same thing that was done in nearly every MMO that's launched in the last decade; after Open Beta there's a character wipe, then when they set up the Live servers, various kinds of preorder get Early Access with no wipe. It's a few days head start on the live game.
That's what they mean when they say "Early Access". They also, in this case, mean Open Beta, but I promise you they will wipe Open Beta characters. I can only think of one beta in the whole industry in the last few years where that didn't happen, and it was widely regarded in the industry as a bad idea. That game was kind of stuck, as they'd opened up the cash shop during Open Beta, so they couldn't wipe people who'd spent money. But it meant they were also stuck with the codebase and data models that went into open beta, and had to treat them like live production data, because they were. That was a small shop that got their hands on a big game by extreme fortune, and they had to learn a lesson the hard way.
The Early Access is in regards to launch.
Hero of the North purchasers will be able to log in to the Live game Five days early.
Guardian of Neverwinter purchasers will be able to log in to the Live game Three days early.
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In CO and STO you could. Also in every other Early Access I've ever been in.
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Thank you melanderi for clearing that up. You might want to change the different news articles in the forums and on the main pages news page that states early access to open beta. The actual Founders Pack pages simply say "Early Access" which I think most people would assume meant early access to live game play. I believe in the video it also states something like "play before your friends" which I think most people would assume live game again.
It was those news articles that stated early access to open beta that is causing so much confusion.
Yeah over the years different games have used different terminology. "Head Start" in my mind makes it seem more special than "Early Access", so is maybe a better marketing tool.
Message has already been relayed to the CM with all of the incorrect news articles I could find.
It should be resolved ASAP.
I'll take a moment to apologize. I never would have expected three different news posts as well as the Kotaku Press Release to be wrong.
The current lists are more graphics than detail, and not exactly easy to compare against each other. Because your tier structure runs contrary to what your target market has come to expect, you really need to communicate this as clearly and as simply as possible
Also, it may save you a lot of refunds to customers who assumed that higher tiers included everything from lower tiers.
Some of us are not into playing Darkelves. Why would a human want to ride a spider? Why would I want to have a kitty as a companion. Isn't a dog man's best friend?
For $200 you get a lot of items which are aimed at a certain crowd. If they made like 4+ themed $200 packs one for most races, people would not be wondering why the $60 is not included. I don't believe Drizzt is the only frontman Forgotten Realms has to offer.
So you obviously are forgetting Path of Exile? In Open Beta and promised NOT to do any more wipes since closed beta ended.
I'm not touching any other topics here until we get more updates....three whole news articles ..and that's how Cryptic always first relays its release info no less.
I agree. There should have been different Hero packs with different "role-models" (that are related to Neverwinter?). But at the same time, if people is already complaining that to have all they must spend $280... can you imagine what they would say if there were, for example, another three different Hero packs* (like some Elminster pack or whatever character that actually appears in the Neverwinter novels).
I'm quite sure that Elminster fans would have loved Elminster instead of Drizzt but then, wizard haters and Elminster haters would complain too...
* in this case, each different Hero pack could be bought once? Would involve cutting off some items from accumulating but compesate it by lowering the price?
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I did Lifetime Subs for Cryptics last two games (CO and STO). I really thought I would here too. But I'm not doing $260 just to get a mixed kit.
yea i sorta wish they would let you pick on the 60$ kit like make it so you could choose spider or horse & dog or panther and just include all 4 for the 200$ pack itd atleast make it seem worth 200$ i mean really all your getting there is a crapton more astral diamons and a few perks which no offense but for 200$ or waiting a week to try out the game and see if i liked it or not id rather wait the week
OK, that makes two. I declined my invite to Path of Exile.
That's another indie developer, using Open Beta as a marketing tool instead of a testing tool, IMHO. It's not what the industry means when they say Open Beta.
If perfect world is going to be gouging their beta players this bad, then I'm definitely not getting this game. Usualy a full game cost about $50-$60 and that's for the really good ones. Exactly how does a mount and a mask and a couple other in game items amount to an over $500 value. shure they mark it down to $200 but how exactly is it really worth over $500.
I think I would too..
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Most MMORPGs have a $60 package at launch, and a $150-$200 package at launch, each of which contain special items. The $150-$200 package usually includes something flashy like a blue "more money than sense club" title. This is normal. Launch entails costs above and beyond the ongoing ones; you have more developers, they've spent years of time and effort, and you've got massive marketing costs. It all happens with no income for three to five years, then you recoup it at launch. This is business as usual.
Oh, and usually the forums have a few days of people complaining that buying these things encourages more studios to engage in such shameless money grabs, and how the practice would cease instantly if only enough people didn't buy this one. Lasts about a week.