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zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
edited June 2012 in General Discussion (PC)
Howdy! It has been a while, in MMO Time, since the new forums were implemented to the base of a forum system that we have now. I am wondering when we can expect to see some majorly needed updates to the forum.

A few things, off the top of my head, that need some love are:
- Proper Coding (bullets, ALT 3335, show as question marks for example and setting a list with the editor does nothing more than line breaks in appearance).
---- A functional Dev Tracker! (Done, yay! Thanks!!!)
- Ability to edit our avatars.
- Ability to maintain, edit and view forum user profiles instead of being redirects to Core.
- Replacement of the Bear Smileys with smileys related to D&D or at least the common ones. These bears, in my opinion, are just not right - at all.
- A link (or way to quickly navigate) to the base forum from the bottom of a thread, like we have at the top of a thread (Eg. Neverwinter > Information and Discussion > Neverwinter Discussion).

Please feel free to add your own opinions and suggestions of the current technical/aesthetic state of these forums and what you would like to see done to help improve them.

Oh yeah, I'd love to see the Dev Tracker functional again. ;)

Thank you for your time!
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  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Judging by the other beta of PWE I've been in, forum changes will come sometime inside the CB period...

    Also, don't expect separate forum profiles. They went to all the trouble of creating Core for that exat reason...
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  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    But, what is your opinion on a working Dev Tracker....
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited June 2012
    But, what is your opinion on a working Dev Tracker....

    What do you mean by my opinion with dot dot dot dot? The Dev Tracker doesn't even list anything. It's not a matter of opinion with the Dev Tracker working, it is a matter that it just is not functional at all for what it is meant to do. All a dev tracker is meant to do is to display a list of developer posts and replies. There's really no room for an opinion of it working or not. It either works or it doesn't and in our case here, it doesn't work.

    Go here: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=685
    Click the link to Dev Tracker and see for yourself. ;)
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited June 2012
    vindicon wrote: »
    Judging by the other beta of PWE I've been in, forum changes will come sometime inside the CB period...

    Also, don't expect separate forum profiles. They went to all the trouble of creating Core for that exat reason...

    That is too bad. I wouldn't mind the Core if I were able to set privacy settings on each individual item instead of only having 3 clumped groups, dictated to me. I'd like to have a public "profile" that lists common things like "about," "interests," "motto," etc but without having to share things like all my PWE characters and what they're doing. The Core's set up of pre-defined sharing settings is just not my cup of tea.


    Highest Privacy Setting
    Viewing Profile: Friends Only
    Viewing My Information: Friends Only
    Sending Messages: Friends Only
    Writing Comments: Friends Only
    Seeing Photos: Friends Only
    PWE Game Characters: Friends Only
    Showing Friend list: Everyone

    Standard Privacy Setting
    Viewing Profile: Everyone
    Viewing My Information: Friends Only
    Sending Messages: Friends Only
    Writing Comments: Friends Only
    Seeing Photos: Friends Only (Everyone can see Profile photo)
    PWE Game Characters: Everyone
    Showing Friend list:Everyone

    Open Privacy Setting
    Viewing Profile: Everyone
    Viewing My Information: Everyone
    Sending Messages: Everyone
    Writing Comments: Everyone
    Seeing Photos: Everyone
    PWE Game Characters: Everyone
    Showing Friend list: Everyone


    That's all you can choose from is those three, pre-defined, privacy settings. If each item were able to be set individually, I would probably have no cause for complaint.
  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    But, what is your opinion on a working Dev Tracker....

    Well... that is a needless question...
    Why would anyone not want a working dev tracker asap b:puzzled
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  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    As of last update, cryptic devs said they were keen to bring it back not only for NW but also for other games like CO etc. However, dev tracker for CO works now:
    http://forums.champions-online.com/search.php?searchid=3586955

    So its high time they brought back dev tracker for NW too.
  • aavarius1aavarius1 Member Posts: 36
    edited June 2012
    Maybe I'm the odd person out here, but I don't really care if the forum gets an update in a timely fashion. I feel like that's time and money better spent on the actual game still in development. This is a "cake and eat it too" thing.
  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    zebular wrote: »
    What do you mean by my opinion with dot dot dot dot? The Dev Tracker doesn't even list anything. It's not a matter of opinion with the Dev Tracker working, it is a matter that it just is not functional at all for what it is meant to do. All a dev tracker is meant to do is to display a list of developer posts and replies. There's really no room for an opinion of it working or not. It either works or it doesn't and in our case here, it doesn't work.

    Go here: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=685
    Click the link to Dev Tracker and see for yourself. ;)
    vindicon wrote: »
    Well... that is a needless question...
    Why would anyone not want a working dev tracker asap b:puzzled


    Sorry should have had a joke emoticon, since you mentioned it multiple times in your OP. I know you want it as do we.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited June 2012
    Sorry should have had a joke emoticon, since you mentioned it multiple times in your OP. I know you want it as do we.
    Ahh, okays! I read into those dots too much then. :)My apologies!
    aavarius1 wrote: »
    Maybe I'm the odd person out here, but I don't really care if the forum gets an update in a timely fashion. I feel like that's time and money better spent on the actual game still in development. This is a "cake and eat it too" thing.

    I highly doubt that that their Web Designers are also their Game Developers. Especially considering that Cryptic is now a part of Perfect World Entertainment.
    gillrmn wrote: »
    As of last update, cryptic devs said they were keen to bring it back not only for NW but also for other games like CO etc. However, dev tracker for CO works now:
    http://forums.champions-online.com/search.php?searchid=3586955

    So its high time they brought back dev tracker for NW too.

    Awesome news! Thank you for sharing this, indeed!
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    zebular wrote: »

    Awesome news! Thank you for sharing this, indeed!

    As nobody seems to remember, more so truthseeker(apparently), here is the actual post:
    Truthseeker asks and SS answers:-
    Q) Is there any way to get the Dev Tracker up and running again? Even if it could only track the Dev posts after the PWE forum conversion, it would be most useful reactivated! Thank you.

    Ans:- Yes, I've got the web team working on it now. It's new functionality for the PWE web team, most of the other forums on their sites don't have a dev tracker, so they're working on getting it set up and working for you guys again.

    After that also they said about it once and after that there has not been any new word on it yet.
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    aavarius1 wrote: »
    This is a "cake and eat it too" thing.

    This is just it. Some people consider the forums an afterthought, and others consider it an integral part of their gaming, a tool that's used everyday to learn about the game from other perspectives, or to educate others from their own experiences. To just blow off this website like its a headache for them to "maintain", is a blow to many of us who seek a valuable resource that's pleasant to look at, functional, and what should be - a reliable extension of the game itself.

    Its obvious the site is an oversight. Hopefully this changes as we get closer to game time.

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  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The game forum is a segment of the gaming community. To ignore it is to ignore said segment, but to think it is the entirety of said community is not understanding how some vocal people are only a percentage of the whole.


    Finding the balance is difficult, but I can say this: just because something is "new" does not mean you ignore the "old." Because Twitter, Facebook and other social media sites are trending now, does not mean you neglect the forum, but neither do you think it's the only priority either.


    All this written, the forum does appear to have been more neglected post PWE merge, and the minimal reactions since do not help its appearance. However, some community employees have been great with their recent and consistent posting, even during weekends and later hours (such as our favorite hive-mind-thinking melanderi....get it, because of the latin insect name?)


    But what is more important at this time of this posting, is it's been about a week since E3's conclusion, and we're all wondering what will be actually released in regards to Neverwinter information, no matter where and how it is released. I requested something mentioning the status within two weeks of E3's conclusion, so I do hope at least we'll get some form of status update (if not an actual release of new information.)

    So, web update good, but not the only medium, but shouldn't be neglected, and game information comes first but information should be ongoing after the first press release should summarize all that.
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  • qumi0qumi0 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Yeah, twitter and facebook have their limitations. They prefer short messaging. At a forum who can write more and get more feedback. I use twitter as a way to get Shaun (stormshade) attention - writing from time to time to look at the forum or post simple questions.

    Eh, while I hope for some website update - I think the real problem lies in the marketing. It's pretty bad, IMHO. Focused on big gaming events that happen from time to time. But the worst thing is something different - Stormshade is the only PR for all Cryptic games.

    He has several forums to take care of and has to be active at all of them. I mean, this is seriously too much for one person to handle.
  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    Yeah, twitter and facebook have their limitations. They prefer short messaging. At a forum who can write more and get more feedback. I use twitter as a way to get Shaun (stormshade) attention - writing from time to time to look at the forum or post simple questions.

    Eh, while I hope for some website update - I think the real problem lies in the marketing. It's pretty bad, IMHO. Focused on big gaming events that happen from time to time. But the worst thing is something different - Stormshade is the only PR for all Cryptic games.

    He has several forums to take care of and has to be active at all of them. I mean, this is seriously too much for one person to handle.

    Well, there are multiple people handling this, but outside of interviews, yes, he is the only often seen "public face" for NWO marketing. Which is why they really need to make him exclusive to NWO or hire somebody who focuses only on NWO (and if the former hire some other people to take care of the projects he did.)
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  • aavarius1aavarius1 Member Posts: 36
    edited June 2012
    This is just it. Some people consider the forums an afterthought, and others consider it an integral part of their gaming, a tool that's used everyday to learn about the game from other perspectives, or to educate others from their own experiences. To just blow off this website like its a headache for them to "maintain", is a blow to many of us who seek a valuable resource that's pleasant to look at, functional, and what should be - a reliable extension of the game itself.

    Its obvious the site is an oversight. Hopefully this changes as we get closer to game time.

    If the game were out (or even humming along well into beta) I'd completely agree with you. At present it's not. From my perspective they appear to be a package deal. There are people in this very thread that have commented on how limited the community's activity is without more game information for us to discuss, so as such it seems a little off kilter to get amped up about one without the other to support it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a supercrazyawesome forum but let's be honest here, we're certainly not struggling without all that (we're having this very community discussion after all!).

    When the beta comes out, then we'll really have a need for community support!
  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Speaking of "what's supported," I got a post asking why somebody couldn't post in Neverwinter News. Technically, you should be able to post replies to topics (not locked) in Neverwnter News, but you cannot create new threads there (that is for Admin-level or employee-level support only.) Just a heads up if somebody wants to make new threads, it can't be done in that section apparently unless you are working for Cryptic/PWE as an employee or Admin level. I've updated my New Users FAQ on this (specifically in this section,) but if I am wrong (people working for PWE/Cryptic,) please let us know here, thanks.
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  • qumi0qumi0 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The game forum is a segment of the gaming community. To ignore it is to ignore said segment, but to think it is the entirety of said community is not understanding how some vocal people are only a percentage of the whole.


    Finding the balance is difficult, but I can say this: just because something is "new" does not mean you ignore the "old." Because Twitter, Facebook and other social media sites are trending now, does not mean you neglect the forum, but neither do you think it's the only priority either.


    All this written, the forum does appear to have been more neglected post PWE merge, and the minimal reactions since do not help its appearance. However, some community employees have been great with their recent and consistent posting, even during weekends and later hours (such as our favorite hive-mind-thinking melanderi....get it, because of the latin insect name?)


    But what is more important at this time of this posting, is it's been about a week since E3's conclusion, and we're all wondering what will be actually released in regards to Neverwinter information, no matter where and how it is released. I requested something mentioning the status within two weeks of E3's conclusion, so I do hope at least we'll get some form of status update (if not an actual release of new information.)

    So, web update good, but not the only medium, but shouldn't be neglected, and game information comes first but information should be ongoing after the first press release should summarize all that.
    aavarius1 wrote: »
    If the game were out (or even humming along well into beta) I'd completely agree with you. At present it's not. From my perspective they appear to be a package deal. There are people in this very thread that have commented on how limited the community's activity is without more game information for us to discuss, so as such it seems a little off kilter to get amped up about one without the other to support it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a supercrazyawesome forum but let's be honest here, we're certainly not struggling without all that (we're having this very community discussion after all!).

    When the beta comes out, then we'll really have a need for community support!

    We do struggle. Many old fans left, many stay silent and simply read as there's not much to discuss. The discussions are usually done by the same ppl.
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    We do struggle. Many old fans left, many stay silent and simply read as there's not much to discuss. The discussions are usually done by the same ppl.
    Silence is golden while speech is silvern.

    All those who stay silent will be extinct with the werewolf attack. So speak up and accumulate some silver just in case...
  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    We do struggle. Many old fans left, many stay silent and simply read as there's not much to discuss. The discussions are usually done by the same ppl.

    Well, ofc there is not enough to discuss. That's exactly what is to be expected from a game forum when the game in question is still not even in Beta. And that is your reason why there are not many people posting - there are not enough relevant topics to support more than a handful of people discussing at any given time. We can't discuss about the game mechanics, or technical stuff, or classes etc, and neither can we give any meaningful suggestions at this point. We can only make pointless off-topic/speculation threads, which get old fast. Hell, right now we're talking about how there is nothing to talk about...

    And sure, many people from the old forums do not post here anymore, but the number of new people that do outnumbers that. Still, at any rate: there just isn't enough to talk about. The very reason that these forums were created for quite simply does not exist yet, apart from the Alpha version, which nobody can put their hands on and as such might as well not exist at all for discussion purposes... The number of posts per day does not even reach a third digit, and even that is already more than there really needs to be at this point, based on what we have on our hands and can discuss about - so, I fail to see where it is that the forum is holding anyone back...
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  • qumi0qumi0 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Let me just point out that the game was ready to ship in December or so. Now they are changing a lot, but there is still a lot of info to share. And community needs tending.
  • vindiconvindicon Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    Let me just point out that the game was ready to ship in December or so. Now they are changing a lot, but there is still a lot of info to share. And community needs tending.

    It would be ready to ship IF it was a SP/co-op game. But it's not, because when Atari sold Cryptic over to PWE they decided to go with Cryptic's original plans with NW, ie make it an MMO. And to make a game an MMO one needs a significant amount of extra time compaired to sp games, because the amount of polishing that has to go into netcode, balancing and long-term playability can't even compaire...

    It isn't the same game anymore, and thus it isn't the same community anymore. The people that are excited about an upcoming co-op/sp game and those excited for an upcoming mmo are majorly different.
    And the company is obliged to present us a good game, not tend to a community of a game that does not even exist yet, and as such does not have more than a dozen active members anyway...

    They have already shared all the info you need to know at these stage: races, classes, combat system, setting, gameplay footage... there is not much more they could do without having to release the whole actual game...
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  • qumi0qumi0 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I seriously can't understand what kind of fan would like to get information, to participate in discussions and give feedback about game features?

    They haven't shared anything significant for the last half a year - most of it was already known or was a minor information.
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    vindicon wrote: »
    ...
    - so, I fail to see where it is that the forum is holding anyone back...

    It is holding me back

    Unleash the Dragons!!!

    ... and maybe the dungeons.


    And regarding that the game does not exist... it is dungeon and dragons!!! It is not something wimpy... It is D&D and that too Forgotten Realms and that too Neverwinter...

    It is thus best of best of best. And if it doesn't get enough posts as it is, it would surprise me (as it does). I mean it would be understandable if it was eberron - that place is CURSES!!!. But forgotten realms is Awesome!
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    They haven't shared anything significant for the last half a year - most of it was already known or was a minor information.

    And seriously Qumi... come on the wiki. Help with the lore. Why are you not there? That is a crime.
  • qumi0qumi0 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I wake up at 5 am, go work and return at 6 pm. And that's early, on saturday I worked till midnight and was home after 1 am.

    Most lore can be found on: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
  • gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    I wake up at 5 am, go work and return at 6 pm. And that's early, on saturday I worked till midnight and was home after 1 am.

    Most lore can be found on: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

    Yeah ofc, RL. Fortunately I only have two meetings today and I can peek and edit every then and now.

    And thanks I didn't know there was a FR wiki too... but the info esp on classes seems 3e-ish.
  • qumi0qumi0 Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    It's all editions info. So there's really a lot there ;-)
  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Everyone that I have spoken to that attended PAX EAST or E3 told me that Cryptic has adopted PWE philosophy of little to no hype and letting the game speak for itself. I think this is smart and is doubly more important considering the last two Cryptic launches.

    My friend who talked to the devs at PWE was told in most MMO's you know where every mob every treasure and how the story ends six to eight months before launch and that they weren't going that route. They did say that once the game launches that they would be just as active as they currently are in STO and CO.
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  • iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Everyone that I have spoken to that attended PAX EAST or E3 told me that Cryptic has adopted PWE philosophy of little to no hype and letting the game speak for itself. I think this is smart and is doubly more important considering the last two Cryptic launches.

    My friend who talked to the devs at PWE was told in most MMO's you know where every mob every treasure and how the story ends six to eight months before launch and that they weren't going that route. They did say that once the game launches that they would be just as active as they currently are in STO and CO.

    We will just have to see.


    BTW, can you explain your banner? I tried the url and it linked to an unregistered godaddy.com site.
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  • aavarius1aavarius1 Member Posts: 36
    edited June 2012
    qumi0 wrote: »
    We do struggle. Many old fans left, many stay silent and simply read as there's not much to discuss. The discussions are usually done by the same ppl.
    My point is that this is not a symptom of a lack of desired features in the forum. It's actually a result of there not being a lot to discuss yet. The original post was about wanting more forum bells and whistles, not a criticism of how much about the game Cryptic is releasing to us.

    As to the original post's request, I would be happy for all those things you listed, but for the time being I'm not missing them yet.
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