If someone doesn't even bother buying warborn gloves for less than 8k AD then he deserves to be stomped to the ground. There is guild equipment and warborn to get enough tenacity for the start. It's not that hard.
If we remove tenacity there will only be those maxed out chars killing low IL players while someone with mediocre IL who bothers getting PvP equip will outperform an endgame PvE player now.
Why would we need PvP gear, after all every toon gets a base tenacity for free?
If someone doesn't even bother buying warborn gloves for less than 8k AD then he deserves to be stomped to the ground. There is guild equipment and warborn to get enough tenacity for the start. It's not that hard.
If we remove tenacity there will only be those maxed out chars killing low IL players while someone with mediocre IL who bothers getting PvP equip will outperform an endgame PvE player now.
Why would we need PvP gear, after all every toon gets a base tenacity for free?
Exactly - my suggestion meant that PvP gear would no longer work and that all players would have decent tenacity. Everyone would have the same defensive capability - at least as far as tenacity is concerned. The gear gap would still exist where you have BiS players significantly out performing low IL players but at least they'd get in a few hits.
Can someone actually provide a proper justification for the current situation?
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Why would we need PvP gear, after all every toon gets a base tenacity for free?
What exactly is wrong with PvP gear in the first place? Tenacity aside, of course.
1) bagspace. - I don't have 8 - 9 free slots to keep an entire different set of gear... which is mostly useless in 99% of the content I normally play.
2) impossible to get - Yeah, yeah... guild marks/tarmalune tradebars, yada, yada, yada I know. The guild set is no easy grind 22k guild marks for just the 4 main pieces... I hope you didn't have your eye on the anything in the Mysterious Merchant shop. Or need food. Or overload enchantments. Or maps for Proffessions. The tradebar store is even worse. If you think 65 tradebars for 1 piece of gear is a reasonable alternative... then again, they only have 2 pieces available. But you're in luck, you can buy the 3rd piece on the AH, only 50k AD. That's actually a bargain, by comparison. Still haven't found where they hid the head-piece. And after all that effort, what do you get? You get a mismatched set of gear which is significantly worse than the sets available in the trade of blades. The best gear is still Glory-only. & how do you get Glory? Easy, win PvP matches! How do you win PvP matches? Easy, spend Glory! Rinse & repeat.
Mind you, I will probably have ground out all of the above, long before I have enough Glory for a level appropriate set of Glory-gear, but , please... don'r sell me a VW Beetle & tell me it's a Porche
Warborn gives bonus tenacity for 2 pieces. You can substitute something from the burning set (assuming you've been doing this for a bit) for the head slot until you can unlock the higher tier gear. You can buy 2 pieces of Warborn with bars and then get the gloves, and viola! You have your main gear slots covered in addition to a nifty set bonus. I personally wouldn't bother replacing rings/belt/neck with guild pieces, your regular stuff will perform better, especially if you have double slot rings.
The higher tier glory/seals gear is better obviously, but until you bust that seal timegate what you have to work with is decent enough.
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The problem is that you could PvE only and *poof* your equip is BiS in PvP too, because everyone has the same tenacity. It would make more sense to make something like the alliance set with tenacity drop as a reward for PvP matches. So you get some salvage as an already equipe player and some decent base tenacity for the further grind of glory. Like you get some of this awful equip that already sometimes drops now every time and if you get 100+ points you get a rising chance on some salvageable tenacity equip. There should be more options of PvP gear (like it is for PvE already) in my opinion instead of no specific gear at all. Also it would make PvP more rewarding AD wise
I might add to the debate, that even if we all get free tena, you'll still get stomp if you're a pve player in a lot of case. That is because a lot of pve player joining pvp djust have absolutely no clue of what they are supposed to do. They just run around like headless chicken, trying to kill everything and can't stand on a node. No need to be in a premade nor a pvp guild to get prestige set. I did get 3 piece of it by pvping everyday. It takes some times, you get stomped and ganked quite a lot but this is pvp... And some people live in those 2 maps ^^ Get used to it, build yourself an ego armor and pray for some fair matches ^^
I have posted a lengthier fix for PVP that entails gear/boon equalization and then balancing based on that but I'm all for pulling tenacity off gear and putting it on character sheet. The closer players are in gear and boons, the more likely they are to have fun in PVP matches.
For now, getting tenacity is a hazing ritual to new players. It's not conducive to a healthy PVP atmosphere/community.
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Yep it looks like they are going the same way that I proposed - lose pvp gear and give all players improved native pvp defensive capability. I think it's a great move. Now all they need to do is a bit of extra pvp/pve skill separation and I think it'll be in a good place.
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probably add a pve and pvp tenacity to substitute arm pen stat on all gears ingame xD
Yep it looks like they are going the same way that I proposed - lose pvp gear and give all players improved native pvp defensive capability. I think it's a great move. Now all they need to do is a bit of extra pvp/pve skill separation and I think it'll be in a good place.
I only play PvE so this sounds great to me but I can imagine that PvP players are going to be salty about having to grind T3s for their armor.
This is actually great news. I never minded the tenacity grind but admit it is a struggle if not with a good group. I welcome this because I feel it is inclusive and not exclusive. I see this opening the door for new armor with various bonus sets. There will always be something to grind for. I don't mind at all if my current PvP gear is obsolete in Mod 12.
Now if the queue could be tightened so one of each character is matched instead of dual TRs or dual GFs, so on. I know, this is for another thread. In closing, turn off mount tab for PvP.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Well as someone who did alot of pvping between mods 1-5 .. then quit in the middle of mod 6, I will tell you its not the armor anyways.. i mean there is viable ways to get armor, its the specialty rings , enchants and such, its so annoying, If they left it at the armor, I wouldve been ok to continue.. but at some point, there just isnt enough time in the day, and I could say make like ten times the AD pveing then pvping.. while up to leadership removal.. it was more or less a wash to me and I could continue to play.
There isnt just one factor there is many involved. while alot of people would like to defend current status quo.. I simply dont think you will get enough attraction to pvp without making some whole changes to make it easier to do. While loadouts is a start.. I wish they would rework arp to have a upper limit of say 100% .
I think the company got a bit too greedy and its showing, in terms of population on the pvp side. Making it a tad easier all the way around , I think would encourage some folks back.
But hey, thats just imo stuff, not even sure I care enough to really care.. you know what i mean.
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kalina311Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,082Arc User
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@silverkelt they are reworking armor pen and other Pvp elements have you checked preview server discussion
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Can someone actually provide a proper justification for the current situation?
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2) impossible to get - Yeah, yeah... guild marks/tarmalune tradebars, yada, yada, yada I know. The guild set is no easy grind 22k guild marks for just the 4 main pieces... I hope you didn't have your eye on the anything in the Mysterious Merchant shop. Or need food. Or overload enchantments. Or maps for Proffessions. The tradebar store is even worse. If you think 65 tradebars for 1 piece of gear is a reasonable alternative... then again, they only have 2 pieces available. But you're in luck, you can buy the 3rd piece on the AH, only 50k AD. That's actually a bargain, by comparison. Still haven't found where they hid the head-piece. And after all that effort, what do you get? You get a mismatched set of gear which is significantly worse than the sets available in the trade of blades. The best gear is still Glory-only. & how do you get Glory? Easy, win PvP matches! How do you win PvP matches? Easy, spend Glory! Rinse & repeat.
Mind you, I will probably have ground out all of the above, long before I have enough Glory for a level appropriate set of Glory-gear, but , please... don'r sell me a VW Beetle & tell me it's a Porche
The higher tier glory/seals gear is better obviously, but until you bust that seal timegate what you have to work with is decent enough.
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There should be more options of PvP gear (like it is for PvE already) in my opinion instead of no specific gear at all. Also it would make PvP more rewarding AD wise
That is because a lot of pve player joining pvp djust have absolutely no clue of what they are supposed to do. They just run around like headless chicken, trying to kill everything and can't stand on a node.
No need to be in a premade nor a pvp guild to get prestige set. I did get 3 piece of it by pvping everyday.
It takes some times, you get stomped and ganked quite a lot but this is pvp... And some people live in those 2 maps ^^
Get used to it, build yourself an ego armor and pray for some fair matches ^^
For now, getting tenacity is a hazing ritual to new players. It's not conducive to a healthy PVP atmosphere/community.
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Now if the queue could be tightened so one of each character is matched instead of dual TRs or dual GFs, so on. I know, this is for another thread. In closing, turn off mount tab for PvP.
There isnt just one factor there is many involved. while alot of people would like to defend current status quo.. I simply dont think you will get enough attraction to pvp without making some whole changes to make it easier to do. While loadouts is a start.. I wish they would rework arp to have a upper limit of say 100% .
I think the company got a bit too greedy and its showing, in terms of population on the pvp side. Making it a tad easier all the way around , I think would encourage some folks back.
But hey, thats just imo stuff, not even sure I care enough to really care.. you know what i mean.
they are reworking armor pen and other Pvp elements have you checked preview server discussion
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/categories/neverwinterpreview-feedback-general-discussion
OFFICIAL FEEDBACK THREAD: M12 PRIVATE PVP QUEUES (& A BIT ABOUT WHERE PVP IS HEADED)
OFFICIAL FEEDBACK THREAD: M12 ARMOR PEN CHANGES AND PVP