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  • eoleeeolee Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    ravenkkin said:

    22 pages later... and hundreds of posts on reddit... still no word from devs

    I see what you did there...

    Why would they even speak about that since they... wait for it... fixed a bug?
  • grimalken#9807 grimalken Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    Found a fun little story that the Mods can edit and it makes sence

    HAMILTON THE HAMSTER

    Title:HAMILTON THE HAMSTER - BedtimePosted on: July 28, 2015By: Paula Moore
    By Paula Moore
    Once upon a time there was a smart little HAMSTER named Hamilton. He lived in a butcher shop owned by a man named Mr. Roman. Mr. Roman didn’t pay much attention to Hamilton. Hamilton had no cage – he went anywhere in the shop he pleased. Mr. Roman would put out some bread crumbs for Hamilton every now and then. But mostly Hamilton was on his own, scrambling around looking for food and water.

    Hamilton was very lonely living like this. He just wanted to be someone’s pet – to live in a cozy cage with shavings to make a nest, and lots of good crunchy food. Hamilton was tired of being hungry, and he wanted to be loved!

    So every day, when Hamilton heard the bells jingle on the shop door, he knew a customer would walk in and look at the meats. Hamilton would scramble on top of the wooden crates, and yell “Hey Mister! I’d make a great pet! Will you take me home? Hey look! I can do tricks. How ’bout a back flip!” Then Hamilton would jump up into the air and do a backwards somersault.

    Unfortunately though, customers just didn’t notice Hamilton. And to a human, Hamilton’s yelling only sounded like “eeeeeh, eeeeeh.”

    Outside on Mr. Roman’s shop window, there were store signs that said “Pork Chop Special – $1.99 per Pound” and “100% Pure Grain Fed Beef.”

    One day, like many other days, a man stood outside the shop reading the store signs. Hamilton had read the signs, too, and was watching the man. The man came in, looked at Mr. Roman, and said, “Where’s the beef?” And Hamilton, who was very hungry by this time, said “Hey! Where’s the grain?!” But of course he only sounded like “eeeeeh”. Hamilton knew by now he had to do something drastic to get attention. So he decided to make a big sign, too.

    Hamilton saw a big purple pen, and he found some poster paper scraps. He grabbed the pen, which of course is very long to a hamster, and wrote on the poster paper, “My name is Hamilton, please take me home to be your pet.” Then Hamilton waved the sign all around in the air. The man saw something moving over to the side of the shop, and there was the little HAMSTER with the sign.

    The man knew that most HAMSTER can’t read or write and thought that this must be a trick. So he said to Mr. Roman the butcher, “Roman, you must be trying to get rid of your pet HAMSTER.” Mr. Roman said, “Nah, the little guy just hangs out here.”

    Hamilton knew this was his chance to be someone’s pet. So he grabbed the purple pen, turned the poster paper over, and was about to write another message to the man, when the purple ink began to leak all over his paws and fur.

    The man stared at Hamilton, thinking the HAMSTER had chewed on the pen, and he said “What a mess!” Thinking quickly, Hamilton wrote on the sign, “Pets Are Purple, Too!”

    And as the man realized this HAMSTER could actually read and write, he began to get an idea. This little guy would make a great pet! The kids would love him!

    With Mr. Roman’s permission, the man scooped Hamilton up, put him in a nice box, and took him to a pet store where he bought all the fancy little equipment HAMSTER need to be happy. At home, his kids cleaned off all the purple ink and gave Hamilton a teeny little pen and a teeny little notepad. (The first question they asked Hamilton was “What is your name?”) From that time on, Hamilton lived happily ever after with his new family.
  • viperwitch23viperwitch23 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 205 Arc User
    Did they implemented this change already during today's maintenance?
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,424 Arc User

    Did they implemented this change already during today's maintenance?

    No. There is no patch today. It will be in the upcoming mod.
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  • viperwitch23viperwitch23 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 205 Arc User

    Did they implemented this change already during today's maintenance?

    No. There is no patch today. It will be in the upcoming mod.
    When is that mod that makes us all paupers?


  • cwoody2020#1286 cwoody2020 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    This is a horrible "fix" that should not happen. This will simply discourage players from opening the second chest. 9 out of 10 times the chest reward is garbage you don't want anyway. Now I'm going to lose my expensive key too, not worth it. I will stop using the keys altogether once this "fix" takes place. All my friends are saying the same as well. Lowering the price will not effect the fact that the expense/gamble vs reward makes the chest not worth opening. Then I have to ask myself, if I'm not opening the chest why am I running the dungeon? If I'm not running dungeons why am I playing this game?

    Increase reward frequency and quality or leave the key system as it is. Please stop "fixing" things that are not actually broken. I left Warfare for Neverwinter because they were always balancing and fixing the best parts of the game to make it fair, equal, or some other nonsense. I am seeing a lot of that here on Neverwinter now. Sad really.
  • draco16#8040 draco16 Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    If this is a bug, all of the developers should be handing in their resignation letters on the grounds that they are totally incompetent and unable to properly run a game. The lessons of coal gate, bell gate etc have not been impressed upon these developers. The player based is leaving the game. They are tired of being treated like mushrooms. We need new developers since the ones we have not are unable to run a game.
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  • zacoria1405zacoria1405 Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    I'm surprised they havn't deemed it necessary to buy keys to open all the the profession and companion packs etc we get from opening lockboxes. Just think they could get us to buy 2 keys for a lockbox instead of one, they could even tell us that it's a bug that we dont need 2 keys already and they're 'fixing it'.
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  • sm0ld3rsm0ld3r Member Posts: 236 Arc User
    edited October 2016

    in any game when you open a chest with a key its gone how many people are complaining when they get that 13mil item or is it some people have nothing better to do then complain?

    LOL, I've opened over 10,000 chests and have never gotten anything worth 1M, let alone 13M. THAT is the problem, more so than the key change. The key change is like beating someone to an inch of life, then doing it again just to make sure you didn't miss anything the first time.

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  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    rayrdan said:

    i can already see it...

    LF4M 4k+ to jump around on protector enclave

    Sign me in !
  • b3llist0rb3llist0r Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited October 2016

    b3llist0r said:

    No one will buy the keys to open the second chest. The droprate of a wanted +5 ring is so unbelievable small that the total amount of runs needed still $%&/(§. No one wants to pay with his wallet for this RNG. Similar to the lockboxes, except that a lockbox pays for itself a lot. So in the end the droprate of rings is halfed. Not good. I did around 200 edemo runs to get the +5 brutality ring and maybe I need 500 more. Now I will have to do 1000 runs. Why? Game becomes more an more unrewarding and greedy.

    FBI is so useless/bad/wrong and in addition I loose a key each time to receive a purple mod6 item? Not funny. Depression.

    Droprates which require grinding and grinding is gated behind keys and keys are "1/day then pay". Oh man, this game went from 1 key per day (beta) to the actual system od epic dungeon chest keys and then the next generation of keys came and became... the same... but there is no free key per day. We have to grind for the key. There are no VIP keys. And in terms of AD the key is MUCH more expensive. Key 3.0 hamster edition...

    Farming CN for a rank 8 enchantment (no sh$% runestone or junk) will be gone. Chance for Orcus halfed. Sleep well.

    A shame.

    //Bellsitor

    For what I heard, in the new area, it is not about the 2nd chest. You need that key for the first chest, 2nd chest and third chest.
    My bad. I always forget the first ring is from the gold reward. Keys for the first chest (old key) are easy to get but the special keys for edemo/CN(2nd) are painful. I could remove "second" to correct my text.. but why? Cra§$% doesn´t give a §$%&.
  • aradyn#0871 aradyn Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    You guys act like this is a bad thing. This is just meant to help you control your bag space by not looting anything, so that when next patch on test hits, that will prevent you from using auction house if you mail items to yourself, you won't have as many issues. /turn mockery off

    (I.E. If you think this is bad...) currently on test is, "There is now a limit to the number of unclaimed items a player may have in their mail. Once this limit is reached, the player may no longer post items up for auction until they claim items from their mail."

    Two major bad stacks of patches, looks like they are planning to shut the game down via shunning everyone away in every possible manner.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    maybe this will increase the pvp population @metalldjt
    xD
  • thefabricantthefabricant Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 5,248 Arc User
    rayrdan said:

    i can already see it...

    LF4M 4k+ to jump around on protector enclave

    @rayrdan wasn't that what the bots did after the change to the gateway?
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    I Used to decline the reward if i didnt want to use my key.
    SInce beta were accept-decline use my key to watch the loot should make use of the key? AND if i press decline wouldnt be a scam or the real bug?
    I was buying and legendary keys to burn with my friends because was too much to wait a 20 hours key. IF the loot was good we could use that legendary key and i remind you there was a decline option.

    COMe UP with a solution before to reach the point to find noone to play with.
  • agent08ng#8619 agent08ng Member Posts: 2 Arc User

  • vida44vida44 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    So now that this is being called a BUG and now that "everyone" knows, are we going to be banned if we peek in the chest now? @strumslinger @panderus @asterdahl

    Just so I know. I wouldn't want to be called an exploiter.
  • matthiasthehun76matthiasthehun76 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,184 Arc User
    metalldjt said:

    rhodah said:

    Hello xeltey.

    To call this a bug fix is just ridiculous. At least you could be honest about your reasons for the change.
    In my opinion you desperately want to milk players in a dying game and want them to buy keys with ZEN.

    There are a lot of bugs in the game forever with no fixes. There are a lot of good suggestions how to improve the game both PVE and PVP nothing happens.

    What you do is to make it more and more harder to make ingame AD. You make it more and more harder ot have fun in game.

    Why are people doing dungeons? They want to drop something good and maybe sell it or give it to friends. This was made impossible by cryptic due to the recent changes. More and more items are bound. The fix of this 'bug' ist just another step in making the game more boring and soon it might be even unplayable. How is a newcomer able to catch up with older players?

    Who knows, maybe you want people to leave the game?

    it is called the DEV MINDSET of the YEAR , they think they are some kind of Leo Dicapprio in the movie A Wolf on Wallstreet, thats why they are playin the business man role, instead of just being developers.
    it is also in their MINDSET to never , just NEVER listen to their player base, because if they do, it's basically they admit they are WRONG (not that times after times they were proven they are wrong) and their MIND cannot take it. ALL of the module 10.5 is a FREAKING BAD FORMAT to begin with, and they are still not listening... problably there is somekind of pill that you have to take in the office to start these announcements with such positivity , without even realising the consequences of the message... like he starts sayin he's fixing the bug, and at the end he is like "do not worry, we are makin the legendary keys 50 zen cheaper" if this is not a skit, i dont know how to call it... so you are basically hurting players income, call them exploiters for using a BUG for so long, and at the end you are ending with how much we will spend on those keys by using ZEN (money).

    IT is way to funny, but in other words this is the DEV MINDSET, once they are set up on somethin nothing can make them to change their mind, nothing can be said by us to alter their decision... because it is someth inexplicable.
    We will have to wait 2-3 months for the DATA CYCLE to come by, and if we ARE RIGHT, they will problably do it like we said, but if it wont be that worse as we speculate it will be they will call it a SUCCES. And the means they act upon everythin in game will not change... with all honesty i am fine with the CHANGES, i welcome the CHANGES, when time comes by you have to DIVE IN, not SINK IN, problably they don't know the difference... i would gladly accept changes that would mean that we are diving in, moving forward, not tryin to hit the bottom of the lake... but i guess it is my struggle to fight against this DEV MINDSET, and ii will always be. amen.
    Mate if i may help you.

    I was born and raised behind that HAMSTER iron curtain, which you guys can kiss Jesus not to have been a part of.

    Now in TVs they lie, they tell people it's over and the iron curtain has fallen, but in reality all the major decision makers and their shells are still the same, nothing has changed and what many don't know, our part of the world is still occupied (just read the UN charter about Germany).

    Why i come up with this, the pill you are asking for is called this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Makarenko

    and in reality he was worse, just as you may know wiki tends to whitewash things. ;)

    Sadly in the eastern part of the world still to this day ALL employees, who have a job in any sort of PR get educated by this moron's books, well mainly Stalin in disguise.

    History session closed.
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  • mutjinninjamutjinninja Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 93 Arc User
    Wow cryptic...I'm so, so glad that I decided to move onto WoW. Welcome to your Mod 6 2.0. Enjoy losing all those customers :D
  • melasiomelasio Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12 Arc User
    i think bosses drop loot sometimes too, you may want to address that one bug too
  • cromejohnsencromejohnsen Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 207 Arc User
    Dont forget r5 and peridot drops from bosses and thrash adds.
  • nyghomanyghoma Member Posts: 546 Arc User
    xeltey said:

    There is a feature in the Neverwinter game whereby players can open a bonus chest at the end of certain dungeons through use of special items named:

    • Legendary Dragon Key
    • Daily Dungeon Chest Key
    • Epic Dungeon Chest Key
    • Standard Dungeon Chest Key
    • Mystic Dragon Key
    • Arcane Dragon Key
    • Dragon Queen’s Key
    • Lesser Demonic Key
    • Greater Demonic Key
    • Malabog’s Castle Key
    • Valindra’s Tower Key
    • Kessell’s Retreat Key
    • Ancient Runic Key
    • Dark Fey Key
    • Thayan Chest Key
    • Thayan Lair Key
    Keys are currently acquired by purchasing them from the Zen Market, completing certain campaign tasks, or obtaining them from certain non-player characters. Each key can be used to open and claim the rewards from one chest.

    In the Sea of Moving Ice update releasing on the live server on November 8th, there will be a change happening to how these keys work.

    There is currently a bug on the live server whereby a player may view the rewards without using a key. This bug has been fixed. When this fix gets to the live server, opening a chest will consume the key, give the player the rewards, and display those rewards to the player. To ensure that keys are not accidentally used, the user interface in game will alert you to which key would be consumed and ask for confirmation before continuing.

    Since this bug has been live for a long time and we believe that some players may have come to rely on this bug, we are providing advance notice of the change.

    As part of this change we are also lowering the cost of the Zen store item “Legendary Dragon Key 5-Pack” from 300 Zen to 250 Zen.

    We are pleased to address this bug because it resolves an inequity between the minority of players who knew about it and the majority who did not, and because the Neverwinter design team will be better able to design rewards for chests going forward now that the bug has been fixed.

    - The Neverwinter Team
    A bug? Come on!!! What are we idiots? Someone coded in a decline button intentionally. This is an insult to injury. I'm not happy at all with this change. This is pure and simple greed. At least fess up to it.

    This change will KILL dungeon and trial runs. You don't want to kill those runs. For some of us, it's the only reason to log on. If this change does go through, some severe changes need to be made to mitigate such action. Cryptic will need to:
    • Increase the drop rates of Legengary rings dramatically
    • When you do acquire a Legendary ring, give us the option to CHOOSE what ring we get, not some random drop that will be salvaged
    • Make all rings Bind on Equip so people can purchase the rings on the AH
    • Fix the back log of Astral diamond to Zen conversion on the exchange market, so people can buy keys with AD. Not wait a month to convert AD to Zen
    • Have Boss encounter like Orcus automatically drop ring loot, just like Demogorgon does
    • Cut the creation time of Greater Keys from 18 hours to 12 hours
    I'm not saying to implement all of those changes, but half of them would cull the screaming.
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  • zoidbergink#5835 zoidbergink Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    This has to reverted and never released for live servers. Just thinking about it makes me sick. If you don't want us to play your game, shut down the servers. It's <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> to have to pay 50 cents for a dungeon run, on top of the fact you just made it 2x as hard on console. I won't do it, I refuse. I was really starting to enjoy this game, yes it's grindy but that makes getting a good drop even more worth it, and as it was on Monday I could run CN all night after work and be happy, fork out some cash to get VIP and a few keys to check what's in the chest, but if I can only feasibily run 1 a night without going broke in game and in rl it's just not worth it to me. New players like me will have zero chance up upgrading characters or making any headway without shelling out pay cheque upon pay cheque to you guys, and that's not happening. I've spent the better part of the day disgusted by this post, I don't even know if I'm getting on tonight now. You can't let this happen, as pages and pages of people have said, the player count will plummet well passed the point where this... this player disservice was worth it for you at all. Think about what you are doing please stop shooting yourselves in the foot. Think about what it's like from a players standpoint. There are other games on the market who would love an increase of player base. Please look into cosmetics or somethingg, but don't let this go live.
  • acklinacklin Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    what will everyone do when there are no keys left though it already seems hard to find groups to run these and once everyones key is used up they wont want to run them anymore
  • wylonuswylonus Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,376 Arc User
    Oh Bullhamster! devs finally decided to take away our choices, most chest we open are pure garbages, keys are expensive, and they cost loads of ADs.
    let the rebellion begins!
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    I already made the connection of the horrendous grind and rng and decided to skip the new weapons anyways, all this does is validate my decision.

    If I stay in the game.. (and only because nothing has yet caught my fancy) , I will work on stacking more r10s into alts and get my poor old twisted to legendary on them.

    The 50-100 poeple who may actually get this new weapon set, kudos, because the sheer amount of inanity involved with them, is beyond anything I would be willing to do.

    The game used to be about playing together to accomplish goals, now its more like, hey look YO ' I bought me some zen stomping stuff and you didnt.

    Jeebus Creepers.

    This isnt even about the keys, this whole HAMSTER started at the release of mod 10 and just continuing, I have no doublt it spells the end for me, I just cant find my right place, the games Im more or less stoked about, are still middle of the next year sort of things in all likekly hood.

  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    The decision you took was one person decision? I cant believe that u voted or discuss this change and all agreed.
  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User

    I already made the connection of the horrendous grind and rng and decided to skip the new weapons anyways, all this does is validate my decision.

    If I stay in the game.. (and only because nothing has yet caught my fancy) , I will work on stacking more r10s into alts and get my poor old twisted to legendary on them.

    The 50-100 poeple who may actually get this new weapon set, kudos, because the sheer amount of inanity involved with them, is beyond anything I would be willing to do.

    The game used to be about playing together to accomplish goals, now its more like, hey look YO ' I bought me some zen stomping stuff and you didnt.

    Jeebus Creepers.

    This isnt even about the keys, this whole HAMSTER started at the release of mod 10 and just continuing, I have no doublt it spells the end for me, I just cant find my right place, the games Im more or less stoked about, are still middle of the next year sort of things in all likekly hood.

    50-100 poeple? In our guild we said: we have power creep why to get a new weapon gated behind so much farming.
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