Do you think that the alliance "tag" should include the word "alliance" in it?

ltgamesttv · September 2016

Pretty straight forward poll. When players in an alliance choose to use the alliance tag instead of their guild name, should the tag include the word alliance to differentiate between alliance members and members of the helm guild?

asterotg · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

Try to communicate to 3rd parties, that your guild has rules and these rules are enforced, but some alliance members run around with your tag and dont give a **** about your rules.

Some tags are like brands and ppl worked hard, to make it this far. If you que for PvP and you see, that the enemy team is a premade from the OPs guild, you either go 'I am screwed' or 'this will be interesting', if your comp is premade, too.

If aforementioned premade is an alliance guild running the helms tag, to put the fear of god into the enemy team, they are in for a treat, if they meet a competitive group and most likely, they will tarnish the helms guild good name.

rinat114 · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

Tired of people running around with our guild tag just because we're Helm tbh, they should either give the alliance a proper name that isn't related to the helm guild or say "alliance".

ragnoir3 · September 2016

Hang on a bit... While I understand the OP's concern regarding PVP I don't want to vote on what is a broken feature. What was intended but not implemented was a field on the Helm Guild's settings to set an Alliance Name. Most PVE alliances do not call themselves by the helm guild's name as it is after all an Alliance not an amalgamation. Once they add this feature the point will be moot whether there should be an alliance "tag".

torontodave · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

helm guild - endgame
sword guild - midgame
gauntlet guild - beginners + recruiters ..

There's no reason that someone in a gauntlet guild wearing level 15-25 gear should be running around with an endgame guild name displaying. This causes confusion and in some cases, drama. @terramak @strumslinger

luks707 · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

Tbh - the solution should still be that alliances just have a separate name from the Helm guild.

ltgamesttv · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

ragnoir3 said:
Hang on a bit... While I understand the OP's concern regarding PVP I don't want to vote on what is a broken feature. What was intended but not implemented was a field on the Helm Guild's settings to set an Alliance Name. Most PVE alliances do not call themselves by the helm guild's name as it is after all an Alliance not an amalgamation. Once they add this feature the point will be moot whether there should be an alliance "tag".

A broken feature? If they add that feature, which I've not seen anyone discuss, I would agree. That would allow you to change your alliance name altogether. However, in the absence of this feature, and not just for PVP, I like the idea of alliance members showing alliance pride without being mistaken for a different guild simply because it is the helm of the alliance.

thefabricant · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

A better solution, would for the alliance to be able to have a separate name from the helm guild. This way, when they choose to display the alliance name, it shows the name of the alliance and not the name of the guild.

ltgamesttv · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

thefabricant said:
A better solution, would for the alliance to be able to have a separate name from the helm guild. This way, when they choose to display the alliance name, it shows the name of the alliance and not the name of the guild.

I agree, however in the absence of that, I thought perhaps this solution may take less coding and still achieve the desired outcome. If they did decide to allow the alliance name to be separate from the guild name that would be even better.

sameriker · September 2016

No, selecting the alliance tag should not include the term "alliance" so there is no difference between the helm guild tag and alliance member tags.

No, because then you just are adding more text garbage to what is already too much. If you said a color variant, then I may have voted yes.

ltgamesttv · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

sameriker said:
No, because then you just are adding more text garbage to what is already too much. If you said a color variant, then I may have voted yes.

I suppose if your Helm guild has a rather verbose title adding "alliance" to it could make it longer. I wouldn't be opposed to the color variant either, but I prefer something in the title to differentiate Helm from Alliance guilds.

plasticbat · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

Alliance should have its own name period.
Since it does not, having a tag is a temporary solution.

ragnoir3 · September 2016

ragnoir3 said:
Hang on a bit... While I understand the OP's concern regarding PVP I don't want to vote on what is a broken feature. What was intended but not implemented was a field on the Helm Guild's settings to set an Alliance Name. Most PVE alliances do not call themselves by the helm guild's name as it is after all an Alliance not an amalgamation. Once they add this feature the point will be moot whether there should be an alliance "tag".

My apologies, I vaguely remember this issue being discussed at the time and thought it was a feature from STO, apparently not:

Fleets in an Armada (which will always be named after its Alpha fleet) can view each others member rosters, contribute resources to each others Fleet Advancement System (member fleets can toggle to block individual resources from being contributed), and will receive two passive buffs...

I would however still like to be able to have an Alliance name that is independent of the Helm's name

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frozenfirevr · September 2016

No, selecting the alliance tag should not include the term "alliance" so there is no difference between the helm guild tag and alliance member tags.

Okay... I was thinking the alliance name can be changed... Even if I had known, I still wouldn't like adding an alliance to end... Some very witty and good names would loose it... They must let us select a name, I was thinking about the different color too but @sameriker beat me...

"helm guild - endgame
sword guild - midgame
gauntlet guild - beginners + recruiters .."

No

ltgamesttv · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

torontodave said:
helm guild - endgame
sword guild - midgame
gauntlet guild - beginners + recruiters ..

There's no reason that someone in a gauntlet guild wearing level 15-25 gear should be running around with an endgame guild name displaying. This causes confusion and in some cases, drama. @terramak @strumslinger

Yeah, while I think the name should be distinct, I can't say I agree on the setup you have here of how alliance guilds add up. We have end game players with BIS gear in our Sword and Gauntlet guilds, I see them all as peers in our mutual alliance.

beckylunatic · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

In the absence of being able to input your actual Alliance name (howwwww did you devs not anticipate that this would be important to us?), this is a second-best.

Alternatively, the option to display your Helm's guild name rather that your own guild's name should be removed. Without custom names, I personally think this was a terrible idea to include in the first place.

sigillmacfinn · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

I voted YES but,

You can "untick" the display Alliance name in character sheet which seems to work

beckylunatic · September 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

sigillmacfinn said:
I voted YES but,

You can "untick" the display Alliance name in character sheet which seems to work

The poll is largely inspired by helm guilds where members of some of their allies are giving them a bad name.

You can ask your ally to untick that box, but you can't make them.

And removing their entire guild as allies over it would be a little too drastic a step for most.

sameriker · September 2016

No, selecting the alliance tag should not include the term "alliance" so there is no difference between the helm guild tag and alliance member tags.

Other than color, a small icon to indicate the guild or helm could be simple. However, if Cryptic changes anything, there is always a high probability, they can actually make it worse. One of my guild told me today, it doesn't really matter to him, because he prefers to reflect our guild title, but it keeps reverting to helm when they update.

kvet · October 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

I voted yes because I agree with @tolkienbuff in principle that replacing a guild name with the alliance helm guild name is confusing and inappropriate, but I disagree with the implementation suggestion.

The proper solutions here would be to allow us to supply a custom alliance name, then THAT value would be used to replace a players guild name if they choose. They shouldn't have their helm guild's name there - it's confusing. Luckily, I haven't gotten any complaints from people about bad behavior only to find it wasnt a Greycloaks (we picked out allies very carefully), BUT I can see where that would be a problem for some.

The options should be Guild name or Alliance name, and alliance name should bbe CUSTOM, rather than the name of the helm guild.

bbrightstone · October 2016

No, selecting the alliance tag should not include the term "alliance" so there is no difference between the helm guild tag and alliance member tags.

What does the above mean by "endgame" in Neverwinter as a form of elitism? Fangbreaker? CN? Can effectively press Q E R 1 2, left click, right click, and scratch their HAMSTER at the same time? I don't understand. PVP i guess would be different, but most PVE can be completed by a 3rd grader with Luke Skywalker's blast shield in place.

ltgamesttv · October 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

bbrightstone said:
What does the above mean by "endgame" in Neverwinter as a form of elitism? Fangbreaker? CN? Can effectively press Q E R 1 2, left click, right click, and scratch their HAMSTER at the same time? I don't understand. PVP i guess would be different, but most PVE can be completed by a 3rd grader with Luke Skywalker's blast shield in place.

Yeah, I don't agree with those definitions either. However the idea of separating the alliance from their Helm is not born from any type of elitism either tbh. For me, it's simply that if alliance mates want to take pride in their alliance, I'd like for them to have that opportunity, however I don't like them being forced to take the name of the Helm guild in order to do so.

If I was in a sword or gauntlet guild, I'd rather not be mistaken for being in my helm guild either. I never signed up for their guilds, and I obviously prefer my guild. So I think adding "alliance" to the tag allows players from the alliance the best of both worlds.

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ltgamesttv · October 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

magenubbie said:

kvet said:
I voted yes because I agree with @tolkienbuff in principle that replacing a guild name with the alliance helm guild name is confusing and inappropriate, but I disagree with the implementation suggestion.

The options should be Guild name or Alliance name, and alliance name should bbe CUSTOM, rather than the name of the helm guild.
Pretty much this. No "because x is quicker than Y even though Y's better we'll settle for X" nonsense. Do it properly, regardless of the coding it takes. Cryptic often seems to miss this vital point.

Actually, I'd like to see a 3rd option: Guild X, alliance Y. Both visible at the same time. Show guild by default and always. Use the tickbox to choose if you want to display the alliance name as well.

Yeah, because we've never had to settle for X. I agree with you both that having the ability to change the name of the alliance would be better. However barring that, I'd settle for this. The main point to me is having the ability to separate alliance from actual guild members.

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ltgamesttv · October 2016

Yes, selecting the alliance tag should include the term "alliance" to differentiate between the helm guild and alliance members.

magenubbie said:

tolkienbuff said:

magenubbie said:

kvet said:
I voted yes because I agree with @tolkienbuff in principle that replacing a guild name with the alliance helm guild name is confusing and inappropriate, but I disagree with the implementation suggestion.

The options should be Guild name or Alliance name, and alliance name should bbe CUSTOM, rather than the name of the helm guild.
Pretty much this. No "because x is quicker than Y even though Y's better we'll settle for X" nonsense. Do it properly, regardless of the coding it takes. Cryptic often seems to miss this vital point.

Actually, I'd like to see a 3rd option: Guild X, alliance Y. Both visible at the same time. Show guild by default and always. Use the tickbox to choose if you want to display the alliance name as well.
Yeah, because we've never had to settle for X. I agree with you both that having the ability to change the name of the alliance would be better. However barring that, I'd settle for this. The main point to me is having the ability to separate alliance from actual guild members.
True, but just because we're used to compromises doesn't mean I'm gonna start suggesting the compromise itself. Heaven knows what comes of things when we aim that low. If you want to reach the moon, you gotta aim for the stars, not the horizon.

I honestly wish you luck with that

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