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santralafax
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The developers created iLevel in mod 6 to better gauge the power of a character based on their items. In mod 7 they added SH boons, but these were not included--and could add many thousands of stat points to a character. Then mod 8 came along and added mount powers, stats, and insignias for thousands more stat points. Within the next 2 mods the developers wiped out any use the stat system had.
Today, the engine of many characters, the major stats that he runs on, are from SH boons and mounts. Enchants are just a bit of icing on the cake. I can take a 4.2K character, remove his utility enchants, and drop to 3.7K. He has lost virtually no power (or NO power if he wasn't rocking darks)--because his main stats weren't even included.
It's time for a new gear/power meme.
Edit: I failed to include pet bondings the first time around, as Etelgrin rightly pointed out. Also Legendary pet bonuses and augments, perhaps each active bonus slotted as well. The amounts generated by pets would of course not count in the PVP arenas in which pets are left behind....
Today, the engine of many characters, the major stats that he runs on, are from SH boons and mounts. Enchants are just a bit of icing on the cake. I can take a 4.2K character, remove his utility enchants, and drop to 3.7K. He has lost virtually no power (or NO power if he wasn't rocking darks)--because his main stats weren't even included.
It's time for a new gear/power meme.
Edit: I failed to include pet bondings the first time around, as Etelgrin rightly pointed out. Also Legendary pet bonuses and augments, perhaps each active bonus slotted as well. The amounts generated by pets would of course not count in the PVP arenas in which pets are left behind....
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Another system could be better, but to get real numbers you would need much resources, better spent elsewehre.
Thing is it's not just boons. A BIS player running a full stable of 140% mounts just from the 4k of stats per mount is getting in the region of 870 I level, (currently 1 i level is 28 and change stat points in most cases). Probably closer to 2k with the active powers and combat power thrown in. And thats before insignia's and their boons are thrown in. Those run to another 200 in raw stats, and probably north of 300 with boons from the combo's added in.
A full stable of mounts with insignia all in the 140$ type range are probably adding the equivalent of close to 2.5k i level currently.
By comparison even with stronghold boons thrown in Boons only run to about 1.25k i level before 4th tier boons are added in, (and most of that's from the strongholds). Probably 2k with them.
Now go add a BiS companion, (about another 1.25k).
Boons are a tiny part of the problem pie atm. BIS players probably have in the region of another 6k i level not being listed.
https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
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https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
However, taking 10 mins to implement those fixed damage weapons, that will actually make a difference.
Furthermore there should be a different IL for PvE/ PvP or at last defense/offense and maybe total IL. Some boons, pets or insignia boni boost your defense, some your offense. My CW is near bis, but he would be crushed in PvP and some BIS PvP players rock PvP, but are mediocre in PvE, bc they went for surviveability and CC, not dps.
If twisted weapons add xx points to offensive stats and each offense boon/ insignia bonus yy, while drowned weapon and self heal/ defense boons do the same to defense stats, you would still get the same total IL, but we could see, if the char is build for surviveability or for dps.
We can relay not only on gear, but a hybrid score or combine the gating with another score, for example:
For each new dungeon a person completes for the first time they will get 1000 points.
For each subsequent they will get 100 points. We can add bonus points for killing everything (50), Faster than average time (50), Opening all the mimics (50) etc...
But there is a catch, those are base points, the points will be diminished relatively of the players total score, for example What it will do is when a player starts it will give the 1000, and 250 are 250, but when accumulated about 10k points, adding 1000k will add about 48 points and 250 will add 12 and at 15k, 1000 -> 10 and 250 -> 2.5
So in another way, for new player:
completing a 1k dungeon first time = 1000, a run 100, with bonuses 250
Player that has 5k points:
completing a 1k dungeon first time = ~440, a run 44, with bonuses 110
Player that has 10k points:
completing a 1k dungeon first time = ~50, a run 5, with bonuses 12
Player that has 15k points:
completing a 1k dungeon first time = ~10, a run 1, with bonuses 2.5
This can also be modified further to account for dungeons difficulty, for example (for bases points):
T1 first time = 500, run 50 + total bonuses 50
T2 first time = 1000, run 100 + total bonuses 100
CN first time = 1500, run 150 + total bonuses 150
FBI first time = 3000, run 300 + total bonuses 300
etc...
Lets call it delving experience score, gating by it, allows for people that are confident to get quickly to new dungeons by running different dungeons and getting the score, people who are less confident can repeat lower dungeons to get more experienced.
It's an idea... I'm sure it can be further refined, perhaps combined with gear etc.. to get something workable..
https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
I would say that is a joke, but I have received about 4 warnings now, FOR THAT very reason. I have never, seen a game so harsh on the people who try to tell them what is exactly wrong.