Best way to level negation?

zachisrising · April 2016

What's the best way to level negation? I know to use coalescent wards but can I use like dark rank 7s to level it or what?

beckylunatic · April 2016

Gets no match bonus from anything other than matching shards, so just whatever enchant RP is cheapest, probably cheap stacks of rank 4s.

I mostly use thaumaturgic stones on weapon/armor enchants because it uses up the bound ones.

zachisrising · April 2016

So use negation shards?

beckylunatic · April 2016

Only if they're cheaper than enchant stacks, which they probably are not.

zachisrising · April 2016

So you mean enchant stacks like for example 30 dark rank 7s? Or what?

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kreatyve · April 2016

Rank 5s are super cheap.

zachisrising · April 2016

So use dark rank 5s or what, can you be clearer?

iandarksword · April 2016

You can use any rank enchants to gain the required refinement points. The higher the rank of the enchant, the more refinement points it is worth. The same applies for shards or Thaumaturgic stones (which give the most refining points when used in enchants, but far less for other things.)

ghoulz66 · April 2016

Thaumaturge stones. The Arcane Reservoir weekly gives you some, you get green ones for doing any sharandar quests, and from later level leadership.

beckylunatic · April 2016

It doesn't matter if the enchants are dark or radiant, or even if they're any of the common runestones. They are all worth THE SAME in a negation (their base amount).

Rank 4 and rank 5 stacks are usually cheapest for the amount of RP you get. Rank 7s are worth more RP per individual item, and have gotten pretty cheap, but you still don't get as much RP for your AD as with entire stacks of lower value items.

I suggest sitting down with a calculator and the NW Wiki article on enchantment (table of RP values) while you look at auction values.

Thaum stones can be good because they're pretty easy to farm for yourself. But I think they are less good to buy.

lewstelamon01 · April 2016

If you want RP for enchantments, I can think of no faster way to go than Thaumaturgic Stones. You can get up to 9 from your daily Sharandar quests, and a good chunk from your weekly (I think it's 10-20k so worth of a mix of Minor, Lesser, regular, and even Greater stones). You can farm other dailies for different stones, but they'll only be 1/5 their stated value--it does add up, however.

xveganrox · April 2016

Buy stacks of any kind of rank 4/5 runestone/enchantment. Don't waste Thaumaturgic stones, you should sell those or use them for artifact equipment. Never waste any kind of thaum/artifact stones on artifacts or enchantments.

lewstelamon01 · April 2016

xveganrox said:
Buy stacks of any kind of rank 4/5 runestone/enchantment. Don't waste Thaumaturgic stones, you should sell those or use them for artifact equipment. Never waste any kind of thaum/artifact stones on artifacts or enchantments.

I would hardly consider using stones for their intended purpose a "waste". If anything, using them for anything but their intended items is inefficient because the yield is far less and there are other ways of getting RP for general use.

urabask · April 2016

get rank 5 stacks and wait for 2x RP.

lewstelamon01 said:

xveganrox said:
Buy stacks of any kind of rank 4/5 runestone/enchantment. Don't waste Thaumaturgic stones, you should sell those or use them for artifact equipment. Never waste any kind of thaum/artifact stones on artifacts or enchantments.
I would hardly consider using stones for their intended purpose a "waste". If anything, using them for anything but their intended items is inefficient because the yield is far less and there are other ways of getting RP for general use.

Not really.

A stack of lesser thaum stones costs ~30k and will net 247500 RP on enchantments. A stack of rank 5 enchantments costs 4k and will net you 106920 RP. So 30k you can get 7.5 stacks of rank 5s or ~801900 RP.

RP prices for thaum/reso/artifact stones have been dropping pretty hard lately. Atm looks like lesser reso is a better deal for artifact equipment refinement at 138k a stack.

zachisrising · April 2016

How many per stack, 99? Prices are different here on Xbox.

lewstelamon01 · April 2016

urabask said:
get rank 5 stacks and wait for 2x RP.
lewstelamon01 said:

xveganrox said:
Buy stacks of any kind of rank 4/5 runestone/enchantment. Don't waste Thaumaturgic stones, you should sell those or use them for artifact equipment. Never waste any kind of thaum/artifact stones on artifacts or enchantments.
I would hardly consider using stones for their intended purpose a "waste". If anything, using them for anything but their intended items is inefficient because the yield is far less and there are other ways of getting RP for general use.

Not really.

A stack of lesser thaum stones costs ~30k and will net 247500 RP on enchantments. A stack of rank 5 enchantments costs 4k and will net you 106920 RP. So 30k you can get 7.5 stacks of rank 5s or ~801900 RP.

RP prices for thaum/reso/artifact stones have been dropping pretty hard lately. Atm looks like lesser reso is a better deal for artifact equipment refinement at 138k a stack.

Regular enchantments (radiant, dark, the like) I'd probably say okay--which is what the figures you are coming up with suggest (1080 x 99) However, we're talking about a negation enchant, which you can only get that kind of figure if you're matching negation shards. In this case, thaumaturgic stones are the better buy, or at worst a roughly equal buy.

adinosii · April 2016

Use any bound Thaumaturgic stones, of course...but it might be better to sell the unbound ones and buy R4 stacks...but check the AH prices and figure out what is cheapest...and yes, only refine during 2×RP of course.

mirlegris · April 2016

Check prices on Xbox AH if you play the Xbox version. Seems to be a little different than here, in PC.

Your options are ( values are out of a 2xRP event, just x2 if you wait a 2xRP event ) :

-Shard of negation enchantment : 4320 rp in a Negation enchant
-Thaumaturgic stones : 12500 rp (purple) / 5000 rp (blue) / 2500 rp (green) / 500 rp (white) in an Enchant or Runestone
-Enchants : 135 rp (rank 4) / 540 rp (rank5) / 2160 rp (rank 6) / 4320 rp (rank 7)

You can buy Shards of negation with seals of the protector. You can win Thaumaturgic stones with dailies/weekly quests in Sharandar, or in Invocation bags, or in Thaumaturgic bags ( leadership 21 ).

this page can help you for rp values : http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Enchanting

Just compare prices and moderate the RP needed with your capacity to generate RP ( leadership, monsters, etc etc ).

plasticbat · April 2016

The cheapest way is to make your own RP from leadership and from invocation. More character you have the better. Since this enchantment is not bounced, you can move it around your character to stuff unused RP to it.

I understand you asked the 'best' way but the definition of the 'best' can be interpreted differently in different context.

namelesshero347 · April 2016

Buy enchants when cheap (prices vary greatly depending on time of day) and leave in mailbox (infinite storage there). Then wait for 2xRP

mirlegris · April 2016

namelesshero347 said:
and leave in mailbox (infinite storage there)

Not infinite, it's limited ( on PC, don't know for Xbox, something like 20x5 slots ), but good advice.

Need 34560 rp for upgrade a Lesser Negation in a normal Negation. If you wait a 2xRP event, with actual prices on AH ( PC )...

- 128 R4 ( ≈ 1300 DA ) / 32 R5 ( ≈ 1500 DA ) / 8 R6 ( ≈ 2400 DA ) / 4 R7 ( ≈ 3000 DA )

- 4 Shards of Negation ( ≈ 2200 DA )

- 35 white Thaum ( ≈ 2500 DA ) / 7 Green Thaum ( ≈ 2300 DA ) / 3.5 (lol) Blue Thaum ( ≈ 3500 DA )

But just doing the last zone of Sharandar ( 3 quests + Cela Tower ) give you enough RP ( thaum stones + enchants loots on mobs + skill nodes ).

putzboy78 · April 2016

if only there was a website that posts the cheapest RP/AD ratio at the moment based on your selected enchant, artifact, or artifact weapons. Seems like it would be easy to have the math automagically show up and even tell you make vs buy decisions on enchants based on those RP/AD costs and the costs of wards and reagents. Seems like it could be as easy as a google search for "neverwinter make vs buy"

ghoulz66 · April 2016

I made a trans enchant once from grinding sharandar quests for like a week on several characters. Was grindy, but it gave me a load of RP to feed my chants.

You can dump the currency into the guild coffer. It's a win win either way.

kvet · April 2016

putzboy78 said:
if only there was a website that posts the cheapest RP/AD ratio at the moment based on your selected enchant, artifact, or artifact weapons. Seems like it would be easy to have the math automagically show up and even tell you make vs buy decisions on enchants based on those RP/AD costs and the costs of wards and reagents. Seems like it could be as easy as a google search for "neverwinter make vs buy"

hehe

To answer the OP's questions - as of RIGHT NOW, the cheapest way on PC level enchantments from an AD cost per RP is to buy rank 4 Training Runes. That will change as market conditions change - so your mileage may vary. As putzboy78 said, one would definitely find a tool that does the calculations automatically based on market data very useful.

beckylunatic · April 2016

mirlegris said:

Not infinite, it's limited ( on PC, don't know for Xbox, something like 20x5 slots ), but good advice.

Effectively infinite as long as you leave things attached to the auction mail until you need them. Those don't count to your cap.

beckylunatic · April 2016

kvet said:

putzboy78 said:
if only there was a website that posts the cheapest RP/AD ratio at the moment based on your selected enchant, artifact, or artifact weapons. Seems like it would be easy to have the math automagically show up and even tell you make vs buy decisions on enchants based on those RP/AD costs and the costs of wards and reagents. Seems like it could be as easy as a google search for "neverwinter make vs buy"
hehe

To answer the OP's questions - as of RIGHT NOW, the cheapest way on PC level enchantments from an AD cost per RP is to buy rank 4 Training Runes. That will change as market conditions change - so your mileage may vary. As putzboy78 said, one would definitely find a tool that does the calculations automatically based on market data very useful.

If said tool worked for XBox, which it would not....

(And for Zach, PC players can't tell you exactly which enchant will be cheapest on XBox, because we don't know. I think rank 7 runes are the cheapest kinda-generic RP available for you guys, or were, but I don't really know, because I can't search your auctions for you. Only you can do that. We can give general advice, but you're going to have to do your own math.)

mirlegris · April 2016

beckylunatic said:

mirlegris said:

Not infinite, it's limited ( on PC, don't know for Xbox, something like 20x5 slots ), but good advice.
Effectively infinite as long as you leave things attached to the auction mail until you need them. Those don't count to your cap.

Oh, yes, i forgot that ! I don't let things anymore in my mailbox since a rollback of my account.

Best way to level negation?

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