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xatriu
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This is just sadism at its finest. I'll elaborate on this.
Some of these artifacts fits perfectly in with certain builds. In my case, I want the Vanguards banner for my HR. My problem? I HATE pvp in this game, it is one of the more (no offense here) disgusting pvp systems I have seen in any game! And the majority of the population apparently agrees on this, as people aren't flocking to do domination sort to speak. There is always a fairly long time to wait in queue before a match is found. When it takes 5-10 minutes to gather 10 ppl out of the entire player base for a pvp match, then that certainly screams that something is very very wrong with your games pvp part.
With that said, someone "clever" decided to make these banner artifacts achievable through only pvp. Which in terms isn't really that bad by just the sound of it. I checked a vendor, saw the banner being priced at 40k glory, sighed and then knew what I had to do, or at least so I thought.
I queue up and during my pvp sessions I go through several feelings. Frustration, hate, anger, the feel of wanting to vomit, feeling like a cheat when I burst someone down in 2 secs as my gs was obviously a lot higher than my targets, feeling cheated when I got bursted down in 2 secs by one single player whose gear score was obviously a lot higher then my own (which happened way more then things being the other way around) and at some points, hysterical crazed uncontrollable laughter would occur. I'm trying my best to endure this mental abuse that comes with pvp, and I feel I'm on the brink of insanity on several points. Needless to say I did not enjoy pvping even for a single second!
And lets not forget the TR's, spending 95% of their time in invisibility hurling daggers for 10-12k damage. What genius came up with this?
Anyways, I get through the madness and farm up those 40k glory. I can finally get that vanguards banner! With great relief I run over to the vendor, open up the store and.... I cant buy the banner? So I must obviously have missed something. Too bad I guess that I didnt by pure instinct hover my cursor over those caches and reading the description on those, I read the description on the banner itself though which mentioned nothing about having to buy some cache first and instantly manned up for a lot of dreadful pvp.
And this is where the sadistic part of all of this comes in. You guys are forcing players to complete 7 pvp tasks. Forcing players through countless horrifying pvp matches for these banners, and let me REMIND YOU once more that pvp in this game is not popular for a good reason. Its simply not a good pvp system, gear difference makes pvp heavily imbalanced and that's why not a lot of the players like it. Queue timer for pvp speaks more then a thousand words.
So why force this onto players? Wasn't getting 40k glory enough? Did i really not suffer enough in your eyes to get this bloody vanguards banner? Please reconsider your crazed demands when it comes to achieving those artifacts, or make some new ones with identical stats that can be achieved through pve.
Thank you.
Edit : Oh and do something about the Eye of Lathander as well. If you absolutely must have it so that that particular artifact can only be achieved from the chest at the end of a DR dungeon run, for whatever unreasonable reasons, at least make it account bound instead of BoP so people can transfer it to a character that they would desire having that artifact on.
Some of these artifacts fits perfectly in with certain builds. In my case, I want the Vanguards banner for my HR. My problem? I HATE pvp in this game, it is one of the more (no offense here) disgusting pvp systems I have seen in any game! And the majority of the population apparently agrees on this, as people aren't flocking to do domination sort to speak. There is always a fairly long time to wait in queue before a match is found. When it takes 5-10 minutes to gather 10 ppl out of the entire player base for a pvp match, then that certainly screams that something is very very wrong with your games pvp part.
With that said, someone "clever" decided to make these banner artifacts achievable through only pvp. Which in terms isn't really that bad by just the sound of it. I checked a vendor, saw the banner being priced at 40k glory, sighed and then knew what I had to do, or at least so I thought.
I queue up and during my pvp sessions I go through several feelings. Frustration, hate, anger, the feel of wanting to vomit, feeling like a cheat when I burst someone down in 2 secs as my gs was obviously a lot higher than my targets, feeling cheated when I got bursted down in 2 secs by one single player whose gear score was obviously a lot higher then my own (which happened way more then things being the other way around) and at some points, hysterical crazed uncontrollable laughter would occur. I'm trying my best to endure this mental abuse that comes with pvp, and I feel I'm on the brink of insanity on several points. Needless to say I did not enjoy pvping even for a single second!
And lets not forget the TR's, spending 95% of their time in invisibility hurling daggers for 10-12k damage. What genius came up with this?
Anyways, I get through the madness and farm up those 40k glory. I can finally get that vanguards banner! With great relief I run over to the vendor, open up the store and.... I cant buy the banner? So I must obviously have missed something. Too bad I guess that I didnt by pure instinct hover my cursor over those caches and reading the description on those, I read the description on the banner itself though which mentioned nothing about having to buy some cache first and instantly manned up for a lot of dreadful pvp.
And this is where the sadistic part of all of this comes in. You guys are forcing players to complete 7 pvp tasks. Forcing players through countless horrifying pvp matches for these banners, and let me REMIND YOU once more that pvp in this game is not popular for a good reason. Its simply not a good pvp system, gear difference makes pvp heavily imbalanced and that's why not a lot of the players like it. Queue timer for pvp speaks more then a thousand words.
So why force this onto players? Wasn't getting 40k glory enough? Did i really not suffer enough in your eyes to get this bloody vanguards banner? Please reconsider your crazed demands when it comes to achieving those artifacts, or make some new ones with identical stats that can be achieved through pve.
Thank you.
Edit : Oh and do something about the Eye of Lathander as well. If you absolutely must have it so that that particular artifact can only be achieved from the chest at the end of a DR dungeon run, for whatever unreasonable reasons, at least make it account bound instead of BoP so people can transfer it to a character that they would desire having that artifact on.
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Everything you said can be reverted and used as a counter argument of a PvP'er wanting a specific PvE gear.
PS. i'm not a pvp'er, i do both and i focus on PvE. (i only recently started during the NCL event and am now only doing PvP for the daily wins.)
You cannot compare the grind for pve and pvp gear. As a pvp player the only gear you cannot obtain from AH are the weapons, which takes only a fraction of pve content. Rings are made from Jewelcrafting, Cloak and belt can be bought. Artifacts can be bought. Pvp players won't bother with pve gear so running dungeons is moot.
Now try to compare that with trying to get any of the Banner artifacts through pvp. The slog is painstaking to say the least. Completing seven tasks from any of the three pvp campaigns is a serious PITA. Getting the Burning set is arduous as you can only obtain ONE seal a day.
Added to that is the amount of glory needed to purchases multiple copies of the Banners @ 40k. Why for? The Bloodcrystal artifact costs only 24k and is not gated behind impossible barriers. I would be nice to see the Banners reduced to 24k as well.
Agreed on the suggestion for Eye of Lathander to be made Bind to Account. As an artifact set, the Eye is super hard to acquire. Why was Emblem of the Seldarine, which is also part of an artifact set, removed from MC loot table and added to lockboxes, but not the Eye? At least MC is being done again and is probably one of the easiest dungeons in the game atm so acquiring the Emblem as a drop would have been quite possible. Hell one could even have bought it from the AH. But the Eye? Another RNG slog...
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Orly? LOL! Even for pve the Vanguard's Banner is one of the best group buff artifacts in the game. WTF would you not use it in pve? I certainly do on my HR.
Granted the Eye isn't ideal for pvp use but then the res ability is very handy to have to instantly raise one of your fallen party members. This is one of the silliest pvp v pve replies I have seen in a long time.
/thumb up
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
The PvE grind IS the same IF NOT GREATER than the PvP grind, only, in PvP you get Artifacts that can be replaced by any other artifact, the PvE boons can be acquired ONLY by doing PvE stuff, and THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE unlike the PvP artifacts that can be replaced by others.
Don't focus on only gear, that's not the only factor in which we derive stats from.
Just because you don't see it as an important artifact doesn't mean everyone else would see it as you do.
Now you're comparing apples and oranges. But then replacing artifacts is not exclusive to pvp is it?
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
I'm saying if PvP'ers want PvE only stuff (BOONS/lath eye) they grind for it in PvE. if PvE'ers want PvP stuff (banners) they grind for it in PVP.
Only difference is there are ways to acquire other artifacts BUT there is no other way to acquire boons/lath eye.
Okay now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said the Eye wasn't good, I just pointed out that it wasn't ideal for pvp. I actually have the Eye on my Combat HR (had the set in Mod 5) while I am also pursuing it on my Archer, who is currently looking to utilise the set.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
You're kinda sorely mistaken here.. The main feature of this game is pve, not pvp. Pvp is nothing but a side feature, thus comparing one to another is illogical. With that said, I don't believe ANYONE started playing this game entirely for the sake of pvp seeing as this game wasn't made for the sake of pvp. Although the pvp feature has played a part to a number of players in their reasoning for playing this game. Thus they ALL should have to go outta their way in pve for top end gear. This is logical as pve is the games main feature.
Whats wrong though, is the demands made in order to obtain a banner. With the HUGE power spike between players, completing those 7 tasks can for the BiS players be pretty much a walk in the park, however for the players who ain't so called "whales" and are dirt poor (and there are many of those), completing those 7 tasks takes an UNREASONABLE amount of time and effort. More then anything else in this game with the exception of perhaps Eye of Lathander.
Do you really not see what is wrong here? When pvp (a side feature) in itself is not fun for a player, demanding that they do more to obtain an item within this side feature, than they would need to do in order to obtain anything else in game, and by a pretty fair margin, how is that not an issue or unreasonable?
you're comparing a title to an item? First time iv'e seen someone do that.
Dude... look at my sig... and use the proper fonts and colors for sarcasm and irony. LOL
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NM! Got it!
So.. By that I can assume you enjoy pvp?
Please make sure that you do not make the mistake again.
You might even find, like I did like 15 years ago, that pvp is actually sort of fun, sometimes... anyways.
Than try harder to see things from the perspective of someone who doesn't enjoy pvp, but on the contrary hates it to the core. If you enjoy pvp and spend a good amount of time doing it on a daily basis as u find it being an enjoyable thing, than getting those 7 tasks completed is something that just comes along with the ride of you having fun.
And due to that everything changes for you. However, it still does not mean the demands for obtaining a banner is not unreasonable.
I do enjoy pvp where pvp is presented in a balanced way. Such as LoL. With this game however, pvp to me is the pinnacle of how pvp should not be presented and the imbalances makes me dread it to the core. Even when I find myself killing someone off in a matter of secs because im better geared, I'ts still not satisfying and its not fun.
exaggeration at its finest..
Just a wee bit
Sometimes matches are fun, sometimes they are not, sometimes you get rolled, you do the rolling, sometimes you find a 2 hour match.. ect ect ect.. STronghold sounds promising to me, though I havent tried it yet, even though I got the invite.. friday nights never were a good time for me to test things.. its family night =P .
There is too much blank statments about pvp.. some of it has a ring of truth, but to throw out blanket statements , makes them over exaggerated.
Which parts of my statements are blank statements?
after reading this, i understand u OP, you want to get something but you dont want to work for it, or you want to do minimal work for an artifact.
I realize this isn't tumblr, but OP, check your priveledges. You wont get the artifact by just complaining about it, people who wanted the artifact before worked hard for it or just let it go when they didn't want to work. You can't just strut in, say you want it, and have it magically given to you. You HAVE to work for it.
Obviously you've missed a few points in my post. Nowhere did i state i refuse to lift a finger for things, i'm simply implying that the demands they've set in order to get a banner artifact is outrageous and not in line with anything else in terms of reward for effort/time spent in the game. With my current gear score, there are simply tasks I cannot complete. 4 of them in fact. Now since you were acting like such a gentleman in a full adult fashion, that you went ahead and freely judged me, I guess i should the same.
I'm betting you're a BiS player or close to it, with all boons, and simply down and right forgot what it's like for for someone sub 2k gs with only a couple of boons to pvp. Thus it's super easy for you to talk. But hey, I wont blame you since pvp performance between players can be several worlds apart thanks to allowing such huge gaps in gear.
But that's ok. Thanks for your feedback.