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juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
edited April 2015 in PvE Discussion
LOLOL Really? So the most DPS class in this game, i mean GF, will have to change reg to life steal to heal during combat? LOL this can only be a joke, right? So my GF 20k guardian with low DPS and no regeneration during combat will have to face all other DPS classes that can heal by life steal? A CLERIC WITH NO DPS CAN HEAL, A OP TOO -.- (with life steal and using AoE or being a healer).

DEV's for god sake... with no regeneration during combat means no Knight Value, and dont come cry for that when you got killed without our protection. Thank you for hating GF's so much
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  • hfgtfsdfshfgtfsdfs Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Yeah, I think regen is pretty much useless now. I mean, u always in combat unless you are dead. Maybe u have a seconds or so between the fights and the regen wont do much during that short time.
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  • whitupigguwhitupiggu Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Life steal got nerfed too.

    Maybe with these changes we'll see more balanced parties in pve and pvp instead of all dps all the time.
  • myowmyowmyowmyow Member Posts: 1,923 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    There is a "big picture" reason for this change. It is all about having the game be a bit more team based, which is really what MMOs are supposed to be about. You are just going to have to adapt, like everyone else (including myself).

    It will all be good in the end, once we learn how to modify class builds based on game changes.
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  • whitupigguwhitupiggu Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    myowmyow wrote: »
    There is a "big picture" reason for this change. It is all about having the game be a bit more team based, which is really what MMOs are supposed to be about. You are just going to have to adapt, like everyone else (including myself).

    It will all be good in the end, once we learn how to modify class builds based on game changes.
    Can't wait to see all the whining when DPS classes realize they can no longer reliably heal themselves and clerics realize the have to be more active at healing and mitigating damage. Tanks might be happy they will finally be wanted in a party though.
  • aulduronaulduron Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,351 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Don't worry. Life steal is trash too.
  • digoliftdigolift Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    whitupiggu wrote: »
    Life steal got nerfed too.

    Maybe with these changes we'll see more balanced parties in pve and pvp instead of all dps all the time.

    second this
  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    There are 3 supporter classes... DC can handle a hole party alone, Paladine too... GF with no regen cant, why? cause we cant turn on knight value because of this! who wants a GF when we have no DPS and cant defend them? I see many comment but how much of you have a GF like main? We will be banned from parties... lets vote to kick, kick reason "its a GF LOL"
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  • mrvincent1959mrvincent1959 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    There are 3 supporter classes... DC can handle a hole party alone, Paladine too... GF with no regen cant, why? cause we cant turn on knight value because of this! who wants a GF when we have no DPS and cant defend them? I see many comment but how much of you have a GF like main? We will be banned from parties... lets vote to kick, kick reason "its a GF LOL"

    Umm, a GF will be very important. Taking aggro off the others in the party makes life a pleasure in most dungeons.
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  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have an idea... during GF's lack of power we can have an advantage and be the only class using regen during battle! This is the real tank, not a ****** like dev's want us to be!
    GF Your Personal Yeti - Strawberry Yakuza
  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Umm, a GF will be very important. Taking aggro off the others in the party makes life a pleasure in most dungeons.

    And a party with no DC or Paladine, only a GF? no thanks, we will be kicked fast.
    GF Your Personal Yeti - Strawberry Yakuza
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    LOLOL Really? So the most DPS class in this game, i mean GF, will have to change reg to life steal to heal during combat? LOL this can only be a joke, right? So my GF 20k guardian with low DPS and no regeneration during combat will have to face all other DPS classes that can heal by life steal? A CLERIC WITH NO DPS CAN HEAL, A OP TOO -.- (with life steal and using AoE or being a healer).

    DEV's for god sake... with no regeneration during combat means no Knight Value, and dont come cry for that when you got killed without our protection. Thank you for hating GF's so much

    Gf always had to stack lifesteal, not just regen. So nothing new in mod 6, except the luck based proc chance. In fact, regeneration is, was and always will be second choice for a GF, since lifesteal is way better.

  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Gf always had to stack lifesteal, not just regen. So nothing new in mod 6, except the luck based proc chance. In fact, regeneration is, was and always will be second choice for a GF, since lifesteal is way better.

    Life Steal is better than regen when applied to a GF? So i was wrong all the time and be on first 50 pages of pvp was luck... I didnt know how i tank so well on DG's too
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    Life Steal is better than regen when applied to a GF? So i was wrong all the time and be on first 50 pages of pvp was luck... I didnt know how i tank so well on DG's too

    Most likely, yes. Even tank oriented GF's make better use of lifesteal than regeneration. Idc about leaderboard rank, you just killed pugs with a 20k gs GF, man and that proves nothing in my opinion.

    ---

    But back on topic, GF did, are and will make better use of LS than regen. For pretty obvious reasons.

  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Most likely, yes. Even tank oriented GF's make better use of lifesteal than regeneration. Idc about leaderboard rank, you just killed pugs with a 20k gs GF, man and that proves nothing in my opinion.

    ---

    But back on topic, GF did, are and will make better use of LS than regen. For pretty obvious reasons.

    yes, i allways kill pugs when i go to icewind, drawf valley or pvp... i have 24 pvp archivements killing pugs LOL dude please...
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    yes, i allways kill pugs when i go to icewind, drawf valley or pvp... i have 24 pvp archivements killing pugs LOL dude please...


    It's a logical assumption, since you don't even know the GF basics, as far as i can judge. You are one of those 500 crit rate GF's with 300 lifesteal, i assume. No shame in being that, but don't put my advice down as if it meant nothing, lol. I'm trying to help you.

  • kaedennnkaedennn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 361 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    LOLOL Really? So the most DPS class in this game, i mean GF, will have to change reg to life steal to heal during combat? LOL this can only be a joke, right? So my GF 20k guardian with low DPS and no regeneration during combat will have to face all other DPS classes that can heal by life steal? A CLERIC WITH NO DPS CAN HEAL, A OP TOO -.- (with life steal and using AoE or being a healer).

    DEV's for god sake... with no regeneration during combat means no Knight Value, and dont come cry for that when you got killed without our protection. Thank you for hating GF's so much

    " really , LOL , cry after i die ... "OMG these childish threads , what about you just accept it and figure out another way to survive like everyone .

    You have a sword too , use it .
  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It's a logical assumption, since you don't even know the GF basics, as far as i can judge. You are one of those 500 crit rate GF's with 300 lifesteal, i assume. No shame in being that, but don't put my advice down as if it meant nothing, lol. I'm trying to help you.

    dude whe you beat TR with 19k with your life steal i accept your advice ;)... if you can do that go to icewind #2 and show me that ;) im allways up to learn!
    GF Your Personal Yeti - Strawberry Yakuza
  • hawkeyelhawkeyel Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Gf always had to stack lifesteal, not just regen. So nothing new in mod 6, except the luck based proc chance. In fact, regeneration is, was and always will be second choice for a GF, since lifesteal is way better.
    As far as a team tank goes that will be a Paladin.Why because they gave them everything that the GF has been asking for .We have nothing that a paladin cant do better.Our block only gives us a 80% block and even that is only toward the stuff that is in our face.None ever take us for our DPS any way its our defense and agro management they want and a paladin wins that battle hands down. And they not only get 100% protection but this also applies to the whole group in there aoe while it is active . Pay me no mind this GF or goofy fighter as we often are called will just go back and sit in my corner ty.:mad:
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    dude whe you beat TR with 19k with your life steal i accept your advice ;)... if you can do that go to icewind #2 and show me that ;) im allways up to learn!

    Then stack your regen in mod 6, if you insist to do so. It's your choice, not mine. I tried to help. 'dude'

    #edit: If you can use Knight's challenge against Garakas in epic Sot and facetank him with your GUARD DOWN (no block), without dying, then i gladly come to your IWD thingie. I wanna see it first, though.

  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Regen not working in combat is indeed a stupid choice. Ok you dont want regen in game? Just delete it! And gimme something else.
    But julio you are making fun of yourself reacting like that.
    My bet is that we will be back to pve troll parties most of the damage like 3cws one dps dc and one healer OP but we will see.
    I just cant see gf and in general primary striker to be successful
  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Then stack your regen in mod 6, if you insist to do so. It's your choice, not mine. I tried to help. 'dude'

    My problem is that im good now with this regen system. i desagreed with mod 6 regen system based on my experience while GF.
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    My problem is that im good now with this regen system. i desagreed with mod 6 regen system based on my experience while GF.

    I know man. I'm not a hater, i really just tried to help you. We GF either stack a lot of LS or we can roll another class. I respect you already, for the mere fact that you main a GF. We are a dying breed and must stick together, so we can exchange specs/gear setups, etc.

  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Then stack your regen in mod 6, if you insist to do so. It's your choice, not mine. I tried to help. 'dude'

    #edit: If you can use Knight's challenge against Garakas in epic Sot and facetank him with your GUARD DOWN (no block), without dying, then i gladly come to your IWD thingie. I wanna see it first, though.

    why would i do that if i can put my shield on and reflect damage? and i can do that without shield, just need to block is killer strike.
    GF Your Personal Yeti - Strawberry Yakuza
  • juliofp70juliofp70 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I know man. I'm not a hater, i really just tried to help you. We GF either stack a lot of LS or we can roll another class. I respect you already, for the mere fact that you main a GF. We are a dying breed and must stick together, so we can exchange specs/gear setups, etc.

    my point is that regen is very usefull now for a GF and will be a nonsens on mod 6, i dont need to heal out of combat... i need to heal during combat... so yes, if they insist with this i will have to change to life steal. I can survive without regen, i have 5k power and almost 5 tenebrouse 3%... what about tanks with 2k power? yes we have to stay united and think in everyone using a GF
    GF Your Personal Yeti - Strawberry Yakuza
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juliofp70 wrote: »
    why would i do that if i can put my shield on and reflect damage? and i can do that without shield, just need to block is killer strike.

    No, no, don't block his killer attack. Use Knight's challenge so it deals 2x damage and then tank it without guarding. I always do it and it raises quite a few eyebrows, since i'm not even a tank specced GF.

    Anyway, fun things aside. I did not mean to offend you in any way. I also believe the regen changes are bad for fighter classes, that's why i tried to convince you, to stack a massive amount of lifesteal.

    I am at work and have to drive home now, so see you later and stay metal.

  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    imo the decision to take away regen in combat is about to discuss, but i think in PVE it will be an advantage for more teamplay and tactics
    in the moment there is no tactic, take any group and run a dungeon, with or without heal/ tank, it doesn´t matter...????
    Thats not the build i got from D&D at all, thats BS ... sry, can´t remember a more crappy, boring PVE content and tacitic like in Neverwinter
    I think Intention is to make fights more challenging, so let the mobs deal an ammount of damage only a tank can handle.
    All "run away"-CW´s clearing the hole dungeon by sprinting like derwissh through the instance are history (i hope so)
    So the best setup is having a tank that can handle the aggro best and can mitiagte most damage, all i read is that there are onhitting Bosses that even need a bit of teamwork and tactic to handle? I hope for it...
    If paladin can handle aggro and is able to mitigate onhitting bosses like GF, i don´t think so, but I don´t have a clue about damage mitigation of paladin
    SO that tank that is able to perform best in that case will rule the dungeon and is first choice, in case of challenging dungeons
    all striker who can´t handle their aggro or can´t wait to cast their dailiesfirst second of fight incl whole rotation (only to be paingiver) before mobs are bound to tank can go home and play cards, i hope so. Aggromanagement, and ....feads that reduce aggro become more interesting
    this mod will devide good tanks and HAMSTER tank with no clue how to tank , ok for me since i think , don´t play a tank if you can´t tank

    only problem is.... this all does not respect PVP again
    I fear PVP will be more ruled by healing classes as it is atm.... having a HAMSTER DC or an invincible one decides between win or lose, so its gonna be 2 DC or 2 Pladins in everey team?
    GF GWF will be the big loser in PVP, I assume
    other classes will win like CW, Hunter (selfheal, cc and big hits)?

    we need dualspec or you won´t be able to perform in PVE and PVP i guess

    @juliofp70 tenes will be HAMSTER in mod 6 if it stays like now
  • umcjdkingumcjdking Member Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Too bad we don't have a skill that gives us 100% lifesteal chance.
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 2,894 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yes and it's about time! Lifesteal was a real pain because it made support classes (tanking GFs and healing clerics) not desirable. Which means that half of the gameplay couldn't be used for these classes and in this game in general. I don't even remember the last time i've seen a TR using smoke bomb during a dungeon run, or a CW not running amok among mobs with a glass cannon build as if he were immortal (because he was). I can't wait! I'll be able to HEAL with my cleric. Finally! It's been a long time I didn't have to do that.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    diogene0 wrote: »
    Yes and it's about time! Lifesteal was a real pain because it made support classes (tanking GFs and healing clerics) not desirable. Which means that half of the gameplay couldn't be used for these classes and in this game in general. I don't even remember the last time i've seen a TR using smoke bomb during a dungeon run, or a CW not running amok among mobs with a glass cannon build as if he were immortal (because he was). I can't wait! I'll be able to HEAL with my cleric. Finally! It's been a long time I didn't have to do that.

    Bubble-burster incoming in: 3,2,1...

    Are you aware of the fact, that we can still get a massive amount of lifesteal? Nobody is going to take a DC into dungeons if they can just stack 4 CW's + 1 OP/GF. All the crying certain clerics did on here, was for nothing. As i predicted it, right when the discussion about a possible LS change was first mentioned.

  • mirrorballsmirrorballs Member Posts: 877 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    Bubble-burster incoming in: 3,2,1...

    Are you aware of the fact, that we can still get a massive amount of lifesteal? Nobody is going to take a DC into dungeons if they can just stack 4 CW's + 1 OP/GF. All the crying certain clerics did on here, was for nothing. As i predicted it, right when the discussion about a possible LS change was first mentioned.

    Which is in part due to how broken OP the CWs are in current preview. What do you think will happen if their absolute mitigation defense-power + *cough*bullchit*cough*procs are fixed?

    Besides, if these impositions require you to stack 4 CWs and 1 OP GF, then it certainly implies whichever party that doesn't have the luxury will simply need to form up a better role-balanced team. If that affects the PvE player base and increases more diverse and better party composition even 10~20% more than it is now, that alone is still worth it.

    ...not to mention its about time people started learning what 'cooperative PvE' means in this game. Tge general lack of skill and understanding in game mechanics, the current PvE player base has, is nigh insulting. Carebear difficulty will do that to anyone.
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