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So Annoyingly Bogus

radix4257radix4257 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 190 Arc User
edited January 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
I really like this game and so far almost everything the devs have done has been pretty cool and acceptable. However they really dropped the ball when it came to the 4th dragon boon. I mean seriously, the only way to get Haarl's Treatise on Dragonkind is to do endless Skirmish Shores of Tuern and hope it's in a chest, or buy it which takes weeks or longer to accumulate the requirements. Either way you are stuck doing the same thing over and over and over. BORING and FRUSTRATING! It could seriously undermine any enjoyment of actually accomplishing something. Rant over, back to endless skirmishing.
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  • mmm1001mmm1001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 497 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    radix4257 wrote: »
    I really like this game and so far almost everything the devs have done has been pretty cool and acceptable. However they really dropped the ball when it came to the 4th dragon boon. I mean seriously, the only way to get Haarl's Treatise on Dragonkind is to do endless Skirmish Shores of Tuern and hope it's in a chest, or buy it which takes weeks or longer to accumulate the requirements. Either way you are stuck doing the same thing over and over and over. BORING and FRUSTRATING! It could seriously undermine any enjoyment of actually accomplishing something. Rant over, back to endless skirmishing.

    Don't worry, this is not the most boring/frustrating thing in game. :):):)
  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Welcome to Neverwinter Design.
    Rule #1: Grind, grind, grind.
    Rule #2: Ridiculously low RNG chances solves any problem.
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  • shirfshirf Banned Users Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    And then you get to the 7th boon that takes 3 tomes for +0.25% of what the 5th boon gives or pick something you didn't want as much.
  • ortzhyortzhy Member Posts: 1,103 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2015
    radix4257 wrote: »
    I really like this game and so far almost everything the devs have done has been pretty cool and acceptable. However they really dropped the ball when it came to the 4th dragon boon. I mean seriously, the only way to get Haarl's Treatise on Dragonkind is to do endless Skirmish Shores of Tuern and hope it's in a chest, or buy it which takes weeks or longer to accumulate the requirements. Either way you are stuck doing the same thing over and over and over. BORING and FRUSTRATING! It could seriously undermine any enjoyment of actually accomplishing something. Rant over, back to endless skirmishing.

    You are stuck in other mmos way of getting things. Here is best to just collect what you get, sell and buy what you need. Now there are things like BI gloves (good thing DT came) or Lathander artifact that cant be bought... but the rest can!
    As books go, do yourself a favor and buy them from ah, they are just as rare as an artifact...
  • henry404henry404 Member Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Ah, so much hate from people who are STILL PLAYING the game lol.

    Anyhow, OP, just buy the book from the AH (and try to ignore the boons higher up where you need the Linu's Favors...)
  • forcemajureforcemajure Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    henry404 wrote: »
    Ah, so much hate from people who are STILL PLAYING the game lol.

    Since none of the high-end stuff (boons, temple gear, or refined artifacts and enchants) is even remotely needed to play anything except PvP, it makes perfect sense that people would find even extremely annoying progression mechanics less than a game breaker.
  • nolashmendesnolashmendes Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    i bought the 4th boon with sigils though
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Yeah the boon grind tied to an rng drop really bothers me as well. I look at boons as a form of leveling. Having your leveling tied to rng sucks. I don't know any other way to state that.
  • onegaki101onegaki101 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    It is not tied to RNG. You can get this in 10 days via dailies from the different zones just like other boons. They gave people a chance to bypass the dailies as an RNG drop, but this is not tied to RNG and unlike other boons, you can actually buy this one(assuming you have enough lore).
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  • amselamsel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Thats the bread and butter of a mmo, grind it away. and really this is a less grindy game than what you could be playing.
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  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    magenubbie wrote: »
    Which you won't have. And I don't know how you do your math, but there's no way in hell you can get a boon in 10 days with just playing. There's not enough rewards per day to get it done in a month. And if you, as a designer, want people to take about a month per boon, you'd do it the Dread Ring way. Not being forced to spend AD on unlocking other zones on the way there, no BS. Just do the work you're expected to do and get the reward. That's how it works. Or should work at any rate.

    I think he's talking about getting enough sigils and scrolls from the ToD dailies (via the original zone dailies and the ToD dailies) to buy one of the books in ten days. Which sounds about right.
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  • rollingonitrollingonit Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    I think he's talking about getting enough sigils and scrolls from the ToD dailies (via the original zone dailies and the ToD dailies) to buy one of the books in ten days. Which sounds about right.

    That's really working it. IDK if you'd have enough currency though, 70 pages of lore IDK if can be done in 10 days. 2 weeks maybe, with the additional weeklies.

    IDK I saw 3 haarls in about 150+ runs of sot/esot. 2 from boss, 1 from chest. Ive never seen a breyers, gave in and just bought off AH for its minor increase, but just want to be done with all ToD before MoD6 on my main.
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  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I don't even know why the ****ing books are that rare... Even if they'd drop like candy, you'd still need to do the Dragon Lolness a gazillion times.
  • onegaki101onegaki101 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 327 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    rollingonit wrote: »
    That's really working it. IDK if you'd have enough currency though, 70 pages of lore IDK if can be done in 10 days. 2 weeks maybe, with the additional weeklies.

    IDK I saw 3 haarls in about 150+ runs of sot/esot. 2 from boss, 1 from chest. Ive never seen a breyers, gave in and just bought off AH for its minor increase, but just want to be done with all ToD before MoD6 on my main.

    While you progressed during the ToD campaign, you should have a lot of accumulated when you did the dailies. Once you have unlocked LoL, you should have enough lore (but usually not enough sigil/scrolls until ToD map came out). It used to take about a month to get the boons prior to the ToD map, but once that came out, it takes less than 2 weeks. Overall, it is a lot easier/faster to get than Sharandar last boons...
  • cloudius1978cloudius1978 Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    For the sake of completion, grind all the Sigils/Secrets/Linus required to unlock all 7 TOD boons on my main toon (never bought a single book/coffer/empire treasure from AH in the process).

    Do I want to do this again? No... So I'm pretty much confined to a 1 toon person cause I certainly don't want to go through the same grind again.
  • eldartheldarth Member Posts: 4,494 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    amsel wrote: »
    Thats the bread and butter of a "free2play" mmo, grind it away. and really this is a less grindy game than what you could be playing.

    There. Fixed that for you.
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  • linoge63linoge63 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I do get that there is a grind aspect of the game, and maybe many of you are that much more gameplay refined than I, and that's not my being fascitious, but; the feeling of grind can only spawn in my awareness if and only if my attention if focused on end game results (refinement drops etc)

    The feeling I want to extract which is equal to if not more rewarding than potent RPs dropping is the feeling i gain from a well executed encounter wherein i can lick my prey's blood from my daggers with a self applauding wolfish grin afterwards. Equal to that, is what I gain in insight from the results. There are so many variables that arise from each encounter that one can reflect upon in order to refine ones hunting and executing tactics that rarely does the focus of grind appear.

    Part of the post encounter digestion of the experience for me includes the aspect of taking my prey's meat (loot) and feeding it to my equipment. This aspect extends the refinement i gained from tactics and execution wise from the encounter in addition to the inner reward i feel from a non messed up encounter to include my hardware. Thus, I gain the experience of reinement per encounter both in software and hardware modes.

    But, that game play enjoyment is interupted when i face having to intelligently treat green meat as trash...if green meat (loot) costs me more to process than the gain i obtain then the game itself is motivating us to litter the ground we enjoy playing on with bright neon litter bags.
    Also, one is urged from a game immersion point of view to NOT engage targets....for they will only end having you deal with the trash(green) element which unless our character has an anti-nature element, we wont want to "litter".

    Lets end the idiocy of having to ID at least greens already especially if our entity is level 60.
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