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This community has no rights to complain about refinement anymore
pando83
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So, the devs gave us a double refinement week end.
Other than buying stacks of refining stones in advance, another choice could have been to save ADs and then refine your artifact equipment buying lvl 60 blue equip. Reason: equip can crit and give more RP.
BUT.
As soon as the double refinement week end started, prices of said equip doubled or more than doubled.
Now, from my point of view it's not devs fault anymore.
You guys have the chance to refine faster with such events. But the community itself nullifies such bonus by doubling prices and in the end offering the exact same AD/RP ratio, or worse, than usual, leaving as the only chance to buy peridots and other stuff in advance. If you have the AD. If by chance you happen to have the AD when the week end starts and not before it, the bonus from the event is nullified.
GG NWO community.
Other than buying stacks of refining stones in advance, another choice could have been to save ADs and then refine your artifact equipment buying lvl 60 blue equip. Reason: equip can crit and give more RP.
BUT.
As soon as the double refinement week end started, prices of said equip doubled or more than doubled.
Now, from my point of view it's not devs fault anymore.
You guys have the chance to refine faster with such events. But the community itself nullifies such bonus by doubling prices and in the end offering the exact same AD/RP ratio, or worse, than usual, leaving as the only chance to buy peridots and other stuff in advance. If you have the AD. If by chance you happen to have the AD when the week end starts and not before it, the bonus from the event is nullified.
GG NWO community.
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what are you asking?
more demand higher prices, we are not here doing charity.
what kind of joke is this?
the system is flawed, after this event there will be no more refinement avaiable and this is not players fault.
the system is designed to force you paying. There is no way you can farm something with 5% drop rate from dragon hoard when the everage pull in sharandar has 4 mobs.
for the note, prices are not skyrocking.
Peridot price is more than 100k since 3 weeks.
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Well - that's an interesting story.
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gg i still have 5 guild bank tabs full of it
People like you dosent count to be honest. You dont care to get the best possible gear available etc. I dont really know what you are doing besides running arround in moonstone mask or whatever. But for MMO players, its more about the economy then playing the game. Everything is tied to AD now and there are very few ways to make it.
Players QQ cause the RP needed to upgrade artifact gear are too much.
Then there's a chance to double the RP earned at the same price with a double RP event.
But players are greedy and double or more than double the price if items, nullifying the purpose of a double refinement week end, at least when we talk about artifact gear.
I'll be clear. It's the right of every player to be greedy and increase the price of refining stuff to increase his AD income, and nullify the double refinement WE doing so.
But then stop QQing about refining requirements. You have a chance to refine faster. You choose to use it to increase your AD income. Your choice, but from my point of view if you waste the few chances you have to fasten the refining proces just cause you're greedy, then you have no rights to complain afterwards about how hard it is to refine gear.
Blue gear went from 700 AD to 1500.
Peridots going from 70k to 100k+ in the last 3 weeks can very well be the farmers/ botters anticipating the double RP week end.
Would people stop being greedy, the community would have been able to buy stuff for 700 each (peridot or blue gear) and earn double RP.
Instead, the community choose to double the price, keeping the same AD/RP ratio (same refining process overall speed) but increasing the AD income.
And we get back to the start: you want to use the double refinement WE to earn AD instead of double your AD/RP ratio, it's your choice. But you then lose ANY right to complain about how hard it is to refine.
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But I rather prefer buying shiny things for myself.
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The DEVS bound most of the refinement stones to your account...how is that the players decreasing the amount of supply?
If you do not know how supply and demand work by now then I don't know what to say. I feel like you are just trolling to get reactions.
Refinement costs are too high in this game and the refinement system is mind numbingly boring.
I don't get your logic. Even if peridots were dirt cheap again and let's say I needed to upgrade 7 artis to legendary...that's still a fair amount of AD (and freakin' clicking). But it's my fault that I can barely make AD since everything is either BoP or is dirt cheap? Luckily I can just farm T2 gear and salvage it for rough AD since the cap is so high, oh wait...
It's not rocket science.
Before weeked announce, prices were 700AD each peridot way after Tiamat release (stuff being bound). People complain about refining getting too costly.
Double RP week end announced. Chance to double your refining power.
Prices get up to double or more. No advantage in refining, but increased AD income.
The point for the smart ones is easily explained like this: community decides the prices and how the market goes. Community decides that the double refinement week end is a good chance to earn AD increasing refining stuff prices instead of keeping refining prices the same and using the week edn to buy stuff for the same price but earning double RP.
Is it easier to understand? The point is not how market works or if players have the right to sell their stuff for a higher price. The point is HOW THE COMMUNITY DECIDES TO USE THE DOUBLE RP WEEK END. NWO community decided to use it to increase prices and earn more AD, nullifying the double RP advantage.
It's a choice, but from my point of view, if the community gets the chance to buy peridots for 70k and get 100k RP, and instead decides to overall rise the price over 100k cause hey, now they give more rp so pay me more, then what are you complaining for about refinement? When you guys (whole community) gets the chance to earn double RP for the same amount of AD, you decide to go for double RP= double AD to get more AD instead of refining stuff faster.
If it's still not clear to you, nothing else i can explain. It's a very simple reasoning.
what we blame is that there is no way to offer supply !
if everything is bound, and you were one of those proposing this BS, you should not complain about AH prices.
If peridots were at 70k as they have been for weeks before this week end was announced, you could pretty much earn almost 2x RP for the same amount of AD, making it easier to refine your artifacts. If blue gear was still at 500-600 AD each piece as it was before double RP WE was announced, you would be able to fast refine your artifact gear. Which is the point of a double RP week end.
AD can be earned in many other ways.
It's a matter of choice. You (community) want to use the double RP week end to increase your AD earn instead of increasing your refining potential. Your choice. But if you miss the chance to 2x refine your artifact gear cause you want more AD instead, then do not complain about refining process being costly. You have the chances to refine faster, You use them in another way.
Blue gear is not bound and drops quite often in the new zone. Plus i never proposed to have refining stuff bound. It was a devs decision with Tiamat release. Not sure about what you mean.
I don't think prices raised due to decreasing supply after increased demand, cause the went EXACTLY from roughly 700AD for 600RP, to 1400-1500 AD for 1200RP (or 1200AD for 1000 RP). Which is roughly the same AD/RP ratio.
It's quite simply adjusting prices to increase profit while leaving the same AD/RP ratio as before.
Profit over refining. It's a choice made by the community from my point of view.
As a matter of fact it can never be expensive enough. And no it is not "the community" that determines the prices on the AH. It's done by the players that play with the economy - the community only determines the demand and the price they are willing to pay. And from the last 2x RP weekends those people know that they can generate >100% profite from the invested money.
That's the reason why people bought the cheap RP from the AH to resell for the double of the price. Those players will never complain about refining prices.
And since Cryptic gives you a fair chance to see upcoming trends by releasing patches weeks earlier on the PTR it would be kinda weird to not use this advantage (Coal Wards, BoP RP, Bilethorn changes, e.g.).
And no it is not rocket science - it is economics.
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no thanks, monarchy was already sh*tty.
IDK my despotism monarchy I rule with an iron fist as Ottoman in EU IV. Gotta watch out for the Mamluks, and Hungary is starting to take over serbia, it is worrisome. I will have to send troops north and put hold on my middle east and north african campaigns.
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Double refinement events are held to drain the amount of unbound refining stones and the ridiculous amount of Astral diamonds in the economy. After sufficient amounts of both of these have been drained out then you will no doubt see for sale in the Zen store a refinement experience booster. This of course will only be purchasable with Zen and more than likely bound to account so as to prevent spiking of refinement material costs in the Ah. with double refinement now accessible at any time by any player there will be no need for complaint or revision of the economy based around this now vital component. Not to mention that cryptic rakes in the dough since they will no doubt implement even more legendary equipment which everyone will want to upgrade. Its basic business people.
Personally, I would gladly give cryptic $20 for a refinement booster that extends over the period of say 2 to 3 days for my account when used. this allows the casual gamers the ability to take advantage of double refinement when their schedules will allow, for a small fee of course. This has the effect of closing the gear gap between the hardcore gamers and the casuals.the only ones left out of this from making a profit, will be the auction sellers who increase the price of their refinement materials because of the events. You heard it here first.
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is the most lucid solution for a casual problem I've ever read in my life.
Then there are some ppl, who cant plan for 30 minutes ahead. They think 'whoa, lets use this weekend to refine my gear'.
There seem to be more ppl of the second kind, bc with every event the prices raise bc. of last minute buyers. The cheap items get bought, then the more expencive ones. Ppl selling items see, ok the cheeapest price is X, lets go for a similar price.
If you have to pay more now, it is not the communities fault, but your own.
I will give some of my surplus to friends and sell the rest. I will not sell it at the price I bought it, but at the current rate. Thats economics. No one will come and say 'you paid 1,2 million AD for your cockatrice, bc. of the new event the prices dropped to 400k, here you go, we will give you 800k AD'. You win some, you lose some.
the problem is the amount RP artifact need.
I did a rough calculation and it will take me 12 years to max my artifacts or small amount of 2000$
You make it sound like the COMMUNITY is a very small group of people thinking with similar thoughts. You can't control what people are doing. Prices of things go up because people are willing to pay that much if they want it. If you want to solve this problem, then you should have bought up all these RP in the market, then repost them for the exact same price this weekend.
This is a really confusing thread. It seems like you're complaining about other's complaining, and you seem to think the people complaining about RP costing too much being the same people selling the RP.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
let s do the math 4.7kk x 7 = 33kk assuming a drop of a peridot every 3 minutes you have to find 22000 drops.
22k x 3 m = 66k m = 1.1k h = 46 days of interrupt farming for refining points...
assuming one can play 3 hours a day ( 1/8 day ) we are talking about 46*8= 368 days of farming just for refinement points..... hurra
With the assistance of two 2xRP weekends, I got my artifact mainhand to legendary. Zero botted RP, zero RP purchased from AH. And it didn't take 1 year of farming, and it didn't take playing 24/7 to do it. It took about 3 months of semi-casual game playing.