Storm King's Thunder is definitely a shift in the reality for SWs... So here is a little reality check/pep talk!
Our job wasn't "easy" before, having to actively tab/Curse multiple targets repeatedly throughout the course of battle to maximize damage, but it was certainly easy then before Mod 10/10.5 IMO. Tyrannical Threat/Curse change is a massive change in rotation, for packs of mobs, and the meta for dungeon runs kinda leaves us behind GWFs/CWs/HRs/TRs (generally speaking) as our damage isn't "Burst" damage, but sustained/Damage Over Time damage. Which basically means, the longer a fight goes the more we contribute...
So many of the aforementioned classes will run ahead, and just start nutpunching the adds and inflating the damage numbers, etc. Honestly, it's nothing to worry about as adds are known as TRASH for a reason. Let the "garbage men/women" handle that for you, while you focus on taking out the biggest baddest HAMSTER you can see!
That isn't to be demeaning to others, just a nice inside joke for us SWs. We are the Boss Killers guys and gals!
So I hope that helps a bit for our console friends, and even those on the PC.
Note 1: The most important thing is the TEAM, the only thing that matters at the end of the run is if you were successful or not. It's a team effort to win or lose!
Note 2: If you're having issues with survivability as a Soulbinder, I'd suggest running Borrowed Time in one of your Utility/Passive slots, as that should help your survivbility a great deal...
Not related to the topic but thanks for the gifs XD I'm huge fan from day one of Supernatural tv series ! I want a transmute of the impala as a mount in NWO and be able to listen "Carryon my wayward son" $_$
Overall this update has significantly taken down the dps of our class. No longer seeing them chunks come off like before but, if you're bis and I'm talking gh20 boons, warhorse,tensor disc bonus , aborable bites gear for comps, brutal rank 12s in all offensive slots etc, we can still beat all dps bis classes. I have all this and I am beating even the best gwfs by 20mil plus in cn and edemo. Beat out a maxed gwf in FBI last night by 80mil and neither of us wiped.
With this being said it's pathetic that we need all the extras that cost millions of ad to compete and keep top paingiver spots.
For me the hb fury build is hands down the best over Sb fury. Things die to quick to use SS and to rely on a weak encounter like bova takes to much away from overall dps just to produce sparks. My rotation I'm using for hb fury - trash PoP, FB, AOH. Boss I swap fb with KF and swap arms with CB. I use TC first, pop devoted sigil drop PoP, then KF. Hit target with HB 3 times then start using CB. CB hits pretty damn hard. 2nd daily I use is brood of hadar. My ap gain is high and I'm able to spam brood throughout the fight. This seems to work well for me
Yea the owlbear cub is now in the new glorious resurgence lockbox now in ps4, which prompted my question on the last page. I'm aware that the patch notes stated that it was fixed to proc once per encounter use, but I swear that our brethren on PC were benefitting from it after 10.5 came our for them
Yea the owlbear cub is now in the new glorious resurgence lockbox now in ps4, which prompted my question on the last page. I'm aware that the patch notes stated that it was fixed to proc once per encounter use, but I swear that our brethren on PC were benefitting from it after 10.5 came our for them
So is it worth picking up an owlbear on PS4? I'm concerned it won't proc enough to make a difference in 10.5.
Xb1 player here and we have the same console version of you ps4 guys. I bought an owlbear last night and I can guarantee you it still does work, I think it hits for around (didn't test extensively so it can be a bit off) 13 times half of your power (benefits from bonding stones power buff, not sure about paladin and dc power share though) every time you use pillar of power. I did not nor will decrease my crit to increase my power, I'll have the owlbear just as a decent dps booster. I think the owlbear does soften the tc nerf and dps is decent, heck, even if I didn't get the owlbear I would not go back to soulbinder unless devs broke hellbringer with game-breaking bugs, I would dare to say that trying to do daylies with my tac gf using tide of iron only would still be more fun to me than running as soulbinder sw, I can't stand that paragon path. Owlbear should still work like that imo, devs took a huge chunk of our dps so until they find a way to compensate by increasing hb sw's overally damage they better leave that companion alone.
My rotation I'm using for hb fury - trash PoP, FB, AOH. Boss I swap fb with KF and swap arms with CB. I use TC first, pop devoted sigil drop PoP, then KF. Hit target with HB 3 times then start using CB. CB hits pretty damn hard. 2nd daily I use is brood of hadar. My ap gain is high and I'm able to spam brood throughout the fight. This seems to work well for me
I thought about CB but wasn't sure how it would work. Do you reapply your warlock curse after TC? Or once you apply TC then don't touch WC? Do you use all consuming curse at any point with CB? Thanks
Does anybody work with No Pity No Mercy? I'm using it and doing many tests. It works really well though I have a Dread.
Are here any Vorpal users here which work with No Pity No Mercy? If so - how is your dmg? How is it compared to the Dread. My Hellish Rebuke does insane dmg atm and I was thinking about a change to a Vorpal.
I'll try to take a look on Owlbear Cub, but I presume it cost too much. So I hope that will be possible to have some tests for HB Fury with and without Owlbear in order to understand the difference. I missing some bis so It is probably that I feel the nerf most then most of you (starting from bonding... lv9 for me, I've to start to gain AD in order to buy level 10 and raise up the level...
And as SB Fury, in order to not switch 2 or 3 powers on CN every time, I've to find a good rota. Probably it is better for me AoH, KF, FB changing with HG, SS, KF only at Orcus.
Still hoping for some little buffs and bugfixes in mod 11
I'm checking some numbers yesterday, in order to understand something more. Run a CN with a GWF ~3200 from my guild (bonding 12, don't know the ring of his companion - air arc as companion): naturally I lost, 120M damage vs 60M. Other dps was a 2600 SW, do not remember correctly, but I think he make ~40% less damage then me.
But, number that worth to me to understand is: 60M damage. I remember that at ~2700IL (Mod 9) I was first paingiver with >110M (3 try to clear Orcus).
Differece between that run and yesterday's run: - 3 bonding 8, now 3 lv 9 - now I've Erinyes, Siege master (not that time, Con Artist and Sellsword) - normal vorpal (lesser at that time) - no SH boon at that time, now 3000 Power - 2000 Crit from mount (2000 power that time) - 5 level 10 Radiant now, 4 radiant level 8 and 1 azure level 8 before - Orcus set now, not before - Twisted now, not before - Artifact 2 Mythic (DC, Orcus) and 2 EPic (Tiamat lv 102, Book lv 117) now; 4 epic (DC, Lantern, Belial, SW - 2 at lv 60, 2 < lv 90)
So probably (impossible to have correct math) I've lost more than 60% damage.
CN is a terrible place for a SW to test DPS. Why you ask?
Well mostly people want speed runs, which is a terrible testing format to begin with, many people (GWF/CW) run ahead and aggro/dps adds before the rest of the party gets close, thereby 'earning all the dps', and the final battle is hard for melee to actually hit/stay alive, etc.
I'd strongly recommend that you form a party and play through a dungeon as it's 'meant' to be played by having the tank initiate add contact, and everyone play their roles.
Now, SW damage IS down after Mod 10/10.5, I just don't want ya'll to be all broken hearted by utilizing an inaccurate situation as your foundation!
Good on ya kolat, always the voice of reason and positivity. Plus, all of the nerfs just makes us more creative and flexible. Darwinism in neverwinter so to speak
What I'm not understanding is why the developers have gone out of their way to completely destroy this class. We took a 60% damage nerf on mod 10 and now a 40% damage nerf on mod 10.5. People have spent an aweful lot of time and money getting their sw's built up with the correct enchantments and companions and now we're lucky if we can do even 50% of the dps other classes seem to be doing. I'm really fed up with continually respeccing and buying different things only to have all the progress wiped out overnight with each new mod. Is this all some kind of con trick to make us spend more money or are the developers really not in touch with thier paying customers and the game they keep butchering?
One thing to say. If you check your damage on single target using : 1. TC and do your normal rotation and 2. skip TC and only work with WC, you will experience that your damagenumbers by using TC are definitely lower. At least that's what was changed at mod 10 concerning TC and WC not stacking any more. WC is a 20% damagebuff but TC overwrites it. At least that's what i experience after mod 10.
Is it still worth holding onto and using Lostmauth set for HB Fury?
Also, I finally took the plunge and got a legendary owlbear cub, which definitely made a big difference, even with normal bonding stones. Although I thought it didn't have to be summoned, but I see a big drop in stats when I summon another companion.
Anyway, I'm sitting with 21k power and 11k crit, which seems out of balance. What's the ideal ratio?
In a CN run I do 60mill compared to a 3.6k GWF at 122mill and although I understand there should be a difference, should it be that much?
Hey, Lostmouth is not worth it. Belt have wrong stats and bonus set is not good.
It seems u have same stats as mine (~) and I've same results on CN with a GWF ~3200 (with lv 12 bonding).
Owlbear cub it is an Augment, so u do not need to use bonding with him (it doesn't work). Use Con Artist lv 30 or some Arcon (personally I'm using fire, because range attack), and have owlbear as active.
Very interesting....I put bonding stones into my fire archon and as soon as I summon him my power drops by 3k? Put owlbear back and power is back....fire archon has far better stats, why the drop then when I don't have owlbear summoned?
Yeah it is correct, this is the difference about Augment (Owllbear) and Bonding companion (Archon).
Augment: give u his stats always. Bonding: when bonding stack u receive companion stats. This means that u need a high level of bonding (let me say, from 9 -> 12).
Also, with bonding u can use rings from underground campaign, with augment doesn't work. In this case if u have +4 power and precision ring with lv 10 bonding (example) u'll receive for ~8 seconds (if I remember correctly): Power +4 = 4000 Precision +4= 4000 3 x Lv 10 Bondig= 65% * 3 -> 195% So by math = 195%*4000 -> 7800 as Power and Precision
About set: if u have lostmauth, use it. And try to drop Orcus. Before Orcus set I use Black Ice belt and cloack. Belt because stats.
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Storm King's Thunder is definitely a shift in the reality for SWs... So here is a little reality check/pep talk!
Our job wasn't "easy" before, having to actively tab/Curse multiple targets repeatedly throughout the course of battle to maximize damage, but it was certainly easy then before Mod 10/10.5 IMO. Tyrannical Threat/Curse change is a massive change in rotation, for packs of mobs, and the meta for dungeon runs kinda leaves us behind GWFs/CWs/HRs/TRs (generally speaking) as our damage isn't "Burst" damage, but sustained/Damage Over Time damage. Which basically means, the longer a fight goes the more we contribute...
So many of the aforementioned classes will run ahead, and just start nutpunching the adds and inflating the damage numbers, etc. Honestly, it's nothing to worry about as adds are known as TRASH for a reason. Let the "garbage men/women" handle that for you, while you focus on taking out the biggest baddest HAMSTER you can see!
That isn't to be demeaning to others, just a nice inside joke for us SWs. We are the Boss Killers guys and gals!
So I hope that helps a bit for our console friends, and even those on the PC.
Note 1: The most important thing is the TEAM, the only thing that matters at the end of the run is if you were successful or not. It's a team effort to win or lose!
Note 2: If you're having issues with survivability as a Soulbinder, I'd suggest running Borrowed Time in one of your Utility/Passive slots, as that should help your survivbility a great deal...
SB is fine, but HB fits my playstyle more (atm).
@sledneck220#2698 We don't have the owlbear cup on PS4 yet.
I'm huge fan from day one of Supernatural tv series !
I want a transmute of the impala as a mount in NWO and be able to listen "Carryon my wayward son" $_$
I know, i know something is wrong with me xD
With this being said it's pathetic that we need all the extras that cost millions of ad to compete and keep top paingiver spots.
For me the hb fury build is hands down the best over Sb fury. Things die to quick to use SS and to rely on a weak encounter like bova takes to much away from overall dps just to produce sparks. My rotation I'm using for hb fury - trash PoP, FB, AOH. Boss I swap fb with KF and swap arms with CB. I use TC first, pop devoted sigil drop PoP, then KF. Hit target with HB 3 times then start using CB. CB hits pretty damn hard. 2nd daily I use is brood of hadar. My ap gain is high and I'm able to spam brood throughout the fight. This seems to work well for me
Sorry to ask but what is CB ?
And you still use TC on boss ? I mean you use it only when there is trash around boss or even when boss is alone ?
I thought that TC nerf made sure that TC become useless unless there is trash mobs around a boss or higher ennemi.
It seemed to me that TC and curse don't stack at all now so no reason to use it on single target, no ?
And you're welcome on the .gifs my friends, it's my pleasure to bring the funny to you...
Do you reapply your warlock curse after TC? Or once you apply TC then don't touch WC? Do you use all consuming curse at any point with CB?
Thanks
Are here any Vorpal users here which work with No Pity No Mercy? If so - how is your dmg? How is it compared to the Dread.
My Hellish Rebuke does insane dmg atm and I was thinking about a change to a Vorpal.
So I hope that will be possible to have some tests for HB Fury with and without Owlbear in order to understand the difference.
I missing some bis so It is probably that I feel the nerf most then most of you (starting from bonding... lv9 for me, I've to start to gain AD in order to buy level 10 and raise up the level...
And as SB Fury, in order to not switch 2 or 3 powers on CN every time, I've to find a good rota.
Probably it is better for me AoH, KF, FB changing with HG, SS, KF only at Orcus.
Run a CN with a GWF ~3200 from my guild (bonding 12, don't know the ring of his companion - air arc as companion): naturally I lost, 120M damage vs 60M.
Other dps was a 2600 SW, do not remember correctly, but I think he make ~40% less damage then me.
But, number that worth to me to understand is: 60M damage.
I remember that at ~2700IL (Mod 9) I was first paingiver with >110M (3 try to clear Orcus).
Differece between that run and yesterday's run:
- 3 bonding 8, now 3 lv 9
- now I've Erinyes, Siege master (not that time, Con Artist and Sellsword)
- normal vorpal (lesser at that time)
- no SH boon at that time, now 3000 Power
- 2000 Crit from mount (2000 power that time)
- 5 level 10 Radiant now, 4 radiant level 8 and 1 azure level 8 before
- Orcus set now, not before
- Twisted now, not before
- Artifact 2 Mythic (DC, Orcus) and 2 EPic (Tiamat lv 102, Book lv 117) now; 4 epic (DC, Lantern, Belial, SW - 2 at lv 60, 2 < lv 90)
So probably (impossible to have correct math) I've lost more than 60% damage.
CN is a terrible place for a SW to test DPS. Why you ask?
Well mostly people want speed runs, which is a terrible testing format to begin with, many people (GWF/CW) run ahead and aggro/dps adds before the rest of the party gets close, thereby 'earning all the dps', and the final battle is hard for melee to actually hit/stay alive, etc.
I'd strongly recommend that you form a party and play through a dungeon as it's 'meant' to be played by having the tank initiate add contact, and everyone play their roles.
Now, SW damage IS down after Mod 10/10.5, I just don't want ya'll to be all broken hearted by utilizing an inaccurate situation as your foundation!
I'm really fed up with continually respeccing and buying different things only to have all the progress wiped out overnight with each new mod. Is this all some kind of con trick to make us spend more money or are the developers really not in touch with thier paying customers and the game they keep butchering?
1. TC and do your normal rotation and
2. skip TC and only work with WC, you will experience that your damagenumbers by using TC are definitely lower.
At least that's what was changed at mod 10 concerning TC and WC not stacking any more. WC is a 20% damagebuff but TC overwrites it. At least that's what i experience after mod 10.
Is it still worth holding onto and using Lostmauth set for HB Fury?
Also, I finally took the plunge and got a legendary owlbear cub, which definitely made a big difference, even with normal bonding stones. Although I thought it didn't have to be summoned, but I see a big drop in stats when I summon another companion.
Anyway, I'm sitting with 21k power and 11k crit, which seems out of balance. What's the ideal ratio?
In a CN run I do 60mill compared to a 3.6k GWF at 122mill and although I understand there should be a difference, should it be that much?
Lostmouth is not worth it. Belt have wrong stats and bonus set is not good.
It seems u have same stats as mine (~) and I've same results on CN with a GWF ~3200 (with lv 12 bonding).
Owlbear cub it is an Augment, so u do not need to use bonding with him (it doesn't work).
Use Con Artist lv 30 or some Arcon (personally I'm using fire, because range attack), and have owlbear as active.
What do you suggest instead of Lostmauth?
Very interesting....I put bonding stones into my fire archon and as soon as I summon him my power drops by 3k? Put owlbear back and power is back....fire archon has far better stats, why the drop then when I don't have owlbear summoned?
Can't figure it out...
Augment: give u his stats always.
Bonding: when bonding stack u receive companion stats. This means that u need a high level of bonding (let me say, from 9 -> 12).
Also, with bonding u can use rings from underground campaign, with augment doesn't work.
In this case if u have +4 power and precision ring with lv 10 bonding (example) u'll receive for ~8 seconds (if I remember correctly):
Power +4 = 4000
Precision +4= 4000
3 x Lv 10 Bondig= 65% * 3 -> 195%
So by math = 195%*4000 -> 7800 as Power and Precision
About set: if u have lostmauth, use it.
And try to drop Orcus.
Before Orcus set I use Black Ice belt and cloack. Belt because stats.