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ZAX backlog

saini50990saini50990 Member Posts: 309 Arc User
edited August 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
waiting for 5 days and still no zen , and backlog keeps on increasing.
really need a good AD sink.
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  • rezielereziele Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 66
    edited July 2014
    Dont remember the exact time, but took me about a week yesterday.I don't think a temporary sink would help as long as there are players who buy stuff from the zen store to sell at AH. Better do something about it first.
    ~We need more PvP types. Tired of Dominations!~
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    There's also the fact that only ignorant and foolish Zen sellers use the ZAX as it's the worst way to get value for you AD. Most people buy stuff to sell on the AH to exploit around the 500:1 cap. Make the Cash Shop BTA and this exploit will stop and the backlog will go down.
  • khimera906khimera906 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 898 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I wish people would stop buying this overpriced s**t, but they never will, and the prices will go higher and higher. No matter how ridiculously overpriced something gets, there will always be someone willing to pay for it, cause they "need" it.
    There is no future for the ZAX, even if hey upgrade the cap to 1000AD, or even 10000AD.
    Making Cash Shop items BTA sounds like a good idea to me, since I never bought anything with Zen and sold it afterwords, but I'm sure it will HAMSTER off a lot of people.
    I hate dancing with Lady Luck. She always steps on my toes.
  • hiukulimushiukulimus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 117
    edited July 2014
    Many ppl, after the Key BtA, said that it was a nice strategy to make keys bound , taking side of PWE ... but it didnt fix anything.. it was only the promo of the bear that was lowering the ZAX backlog.

    now its starting again. and the new promo is not so tempting.

    Put Coalescent ward being able to buy from the Wanderous Bazar, and you get your ad sink.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Getting rid of Leadership and/or making all items bought from the shop account-bound would help.

    And sooner or later this is what Cryptic will do...
  • mrgiggles651mrgiggles651 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Sell the dragon race pack for AD.
    I wasted five million AD promoting the Foundry.
  • asmodeus451asmodeus451 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    yup, only way to fix it at this point is to remove the ability to circumvent the ZAX, and the only way to do that is to make ALL Zen items BTA
    Tenebris lux mea est
  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    There's also the fact that only ignorant and foolish Zen sellers use the ZAX as it's the worst way to get value for you AD. Most people buy stuff to sell on the AH to exploit around the 500:1 cap. Make the Cash Shop BTA and this exploit will stop and the backlog will go down.

    Wait... so because I choose to take the Moral High Ground and intentionally use the ZAX and intentionally NOT try to rip-off people by circumventing ZAX... I'm ignorant and foolish?
    Wow. No, really: just Wow.

    Okay, then I am ignorant and foolish, but only in your lazy, feeble little mind. It appears that it is people like you with your ideas of exploiting the Zen Market through AH that will keep the ZAX from recovering any time soon. But whatever, so be it.
  • yperkeimenosyperkeimenos Member Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I'll only say that for as long as there are people who buy greater marks of potency from AH for 110K AD ,when they can buy them from the Wondrous Bazaar for 100K,prices will never go down.
    It's BUGS bunny i tell you.
  • mechomancermechomancer Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    yperkeimenos wrote: »
    I'll only say that for as long as there are people who buy greater marks of potency from AH for 110K AD ,when they can buy them from the Wondrous Bazaar for 100K,prices will never go down.

    Same thing goes for the Cat companion. Why anyone would buy it on AH for 1M AD when it is under 900K at the WB is beyond me. BTA Zen Market items seems to be the most agreeable way to go.
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Bind everything from the zen store and you mess up the bonding runestone supply =/. That plus if I wanted to use only a few pres wards, people should be able to sell the rest without having the use up inventory space, likewise people should be able to buy just 1 or how many they want.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    angrysprite wrote: »
    Wait... so because I choose to take the Moral High Ground and intentionally use the ZAX and intentionally NOT try to rip-off people by circumventing ZAX... I'm ignorant and foolish?
    Wow. No, really: just Wow.

    Okay, then I am ignorant and foolish, but only in your lazy, feeble little mind. It appears that it is people like you with your ideas of exploiting the Zen Market through AH that will keep the ZAX from recovering any time soon. But whatever, so be it.

    I'm stating what I'm stating from a capitalism and numbers only standpoint with this. I'm telling what the problem is, why there is a backlog, and how to fix it. Take your rage to people that didn't report this as an exploit, and haven't been trying to get Cryptic to fix it.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    I'm stating what I'm stating from a capitalism and numbers only standpoint with this. I'm telling what the problem is, why there is a backlog, and how to fix it. Take your rage to people that didn't report this as an exploit, and haven't been trying to get Cryptic to fix it.

    Report as an exploit? Its a player created problem.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    Report as an exploit? Its a player created problem.

    It bypasses a control system that the dev's put in place to protect new players by not allowing zen to be converted to ad at above a 500:1 ratio. Since it bypasses a major system, it certainly seemed to be an exploit in the same line as many of the other fixed ones that bypassed a major game system.
  • tinukedatinukeda Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Seems like they could put a cap on selling price on the AH for Zen Market items. (AD Cap = zen price * max exchange rate)
  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    It bypasses a control system that the dev's put in place to protect new players by not allowing zen to be converted to ad at above a 500:1 ratio. Since it bypasses a major system, it certainly seemed to be an exploit in the same line as many of the other fixed ones that bypassed a major game system.

    It doesn't bypass anything. It's an artificial number. In the real world price fixing has never worked to do anything other than create shortages. If they imposed price fixing on the AH as well then folks will just resort to direct trades.

    In all honesty, it looks like it is working as intended. You either wait a LONG time to convert your AD to zen, or you buy it for $$ and get it immediately.
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    tinukeda wrote: »
    Seems like they could put a cap on selling price on the AH for Zen Market items. (AD Cap = zen price * max exchange rate)

    Maybe, we don't know how the AH is coded and I fear that could cause another Caturday.
  • tinukedatinukeda Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    In all honesty, it looks like it is working as intended. You either wait a LONG time to convert your AD to zen, or you buy it for $$ and get it immediately.

    If this was the intent in the first place, then why even bother with a variable rate exchange at all? Just set a fixed rate and be done with it.
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  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    tinukeda wrote: »
    If this was the intent in the first place, then why even bother with a variable rate exchange at all? Just set a fixed rate and be done with it.

    I suppose back in the days when it was fluctuating between 300 and 440 it was useful.

    At the end of the day it does set a theoretical limit to the cost in AD of Zen shop items (assuming you can get your order filled).
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  • chaostheorysevenchaostheoryseven Member Posts: 84
    edited July 2014
    You do realize that the bigger backlog means more impatient people buying zen for cash, and as such, devs/PWE have zero incentive to attempt to reduce it right?
    I love to burst bubbles.
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  • ironknights1964ironknights1964 Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    People have a misconception that being able to sell Zen items somehow makes the problem what it is. It isn't the selling of items that creates AD/Zen demand, it is the over-abundance of AD.

    More sinks would remove AD from circulation and relieve pressure on the zen price.

    Making all Zen items BTA doesn't relieve Zen price pressure, it increases it - the only way to get items then is through the Zen market. Buying on the AH does not drive up Zen price, but rather decreases it. The same amount of AD is still there, just in someone else's hands.

    Making certain Zen items BTA helps only in the aspect of robbing the irritating gold spammers of something to use.

    We need more AD sinks. Less AD means a heavy downward pressure on Zen prices.

    Maybe:

    +A buff NPC? Receive certain buffs for spending AD (experience, defense, HP, etc) AD for each one
    +Add Coal Wards to Wondrous Bazaar for an AD amount higher than the top Zen/AD ratio (600K AD 1000 Zen @ 500=500K AD) That way Zen market is cheaper and still attractive
    +Player housing using AD can be an awesome AD sink
  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ironknights1964 wrote: »
    People have a misconception that being able to sell Zen items somehow makes the problem what it is. It isn't the selling of items that creates AD/Zen demand, it is the over-abundance of AD.

    That is only one half of the equations. It also signifies a shortage of Zen.

    Things had been working perfectly fine for well over a year (even with the folks with billions of AD from Caturday) UNTIL they started messing with the market by making the tarmulane wards BOP.
  • tinukedatinukeda Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    That is only one half of the equations. It also signifies a shortage of Zen.

    Things had been working perfectly fine for well over a year (even with the folks with billions of AD from Caturday) UNTIL they started messing with the market by making the tarmulane wards BOP.

    The backlog appeared quite a while before the tradebar change. IIRC it started before Mod 3 was released. The tradebar change certainly didn't help though.
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  • celticgamer0celticgamer0 Member Posts: 537 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    When I post to the AH I tend to keep the price as is so not to gouge another player. I also keep the option to bid or buy out as well.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    tinukeda wrote: »
    The backlog appeared quite a while before the tradebar change. IIRC it started before Mod 3 was released. The tradebar change certainly didn't help though.

    It spiked at the opening of mod3. Like it has spiked at other introductions as demand goes up. A large contributing factor for that was that gauntlets could only be purchased for zen adn they were *ahem* selling for really high AD priced on the AH. What making coals BoP did was insure that the ZAX did not correct itself. You have to follow the entire market chain. Box opening is a gamble. The coal wards were one of the primary ways that the gamblers could hedge their bets and not lose too consistantly on the wager. BoP means that the only way to hedge their bets is to get into the enchantment market as well so they can re-coup their losses by using those wards.
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