Yeah, RP cheese was my first thought on reading this too. It has the potential to ruin the game's beautiful story and wreak havoc on the in-game role-playing aspects of it.
Maybe they could tie the ability to use the token to particular in-game quests to prevent this from occurring. Perhaps you should have to complete special daily missions to gain access to the token, preventing it from being used too frequently.
What in game RP? There are no RP systems. RP is something a niche group of players makes up. That's all it is. You're trying to mimic pnp more, which is fine. But keep it to yourself. It's sort of like certain body parts, it becomes a problem if you whip it out and stick it in peoples faces. Which is what adding quests for something we have to pay money to do would be.
Not to single you out specifically, but I think that this will be the complaint of many who were asking for this exact thing. I'm going to go so far as to predict that I'll be able to bathe in the tears of people who yelled loudest about "needing" this sort of thing, yet are unwilling to pay the price PWE sets for it (and I'll gaze into a crystal ball and say 1500 Zen, as an aside).
Shall we play the price is right? Closest without going over? I'm going to say 2500.
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
Whatever. 450 is what I'll pay. Otherwise it's a new char and one more retired to prayer/leadership/dailies.
Speaking for me.. the only reason I wanted this at all is that the abilities (Str,Int,Con, etc) no longer do what they did when I chose them.
Frankly, I shouldn't have to pay just to meet the current baseline. Anyone who doesn't get that is no more worth talking with than an ingrown toenail.
(I'm thinking of my GF. An additional 2% HP per point of CON above 10 on a class that for the first time will be viable as a tank is a huge deal, and everyone knows it. To deny this is simply to say 'Hey world, look, I am full of ****!)
EDIT- I like that they are offering the option. I do not like that they are bundling it. Am I working on my character or buying a cellphone? I don't want to change my name, race, class, gender, or healthcare plan. I just want to fix the base rolls invalidated by recent changes to the game!
Rhyon Cawdorian GWF | Opa Loka TR | Cormac Argentus III DC | Annika Thornblade GF | Aerys Skydark HR | Bartin Findlor TR | Aellia Baalthrall CW | Lucan Hawkmoon CW | Opa Brahk GWF | Korzbyrk DC | Den Kruk GWF | Jherek Skarsin CW |
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
Finally changes are coming that are good for players instead of restricting them! Now we just need to hope that mod 4 dungeons/skirmishes will be worth repeating and the game can finally pick up again. The good thing is that anyone can test it on preview without needing campaign progress which I think is vital with the release upcoming.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
This is one of the best things Cryptic has ever done. I suspect you're going to see a resurgence of older characters come Module 4. All of those characters we've put so much initial effort into, but were not ideal, will come roaring back strong!
yay now my useless half moon elf GWF can be changed to human , and 15 points in INT and WIS and CHA can be removed to make it good toon again.
always had hard time in fighting other PVP focused GWF cause of there high base stats in constitution and dexterity but now i can be on par with them.
after 1 year , good thing i waited for it
Yeah, but will it preserve your actual original appearance? When you load in to the tower of alteration interface for the second time(First time always defaults to a default, second time loads your current settings) with an old character, it still loads your *settings*, but on the hideous new meshes. This was a comparison from preview during Mod 3 testing but it still holds true on live:
So with the current alteration setup, that one in the middle is the same slider settings as the original Veldrin. Eyebrows are weird because his existing eyebrows aren't in character create. Far right can be ignored for the purpose of this, it was showing the new options after extensive editing which isn't the point of this.
My fear is this will work exactly like ToA does and thus while it does load your original appearance preset, there's no way to actually retain your appearance due to the new system. Which makes this useless for me. That freaky thing on the right with the weird-as-hell neck that widens at the top is not something I'd ever want to play with.
Largely inactive, playing Skyforge as Nai Calus.
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lazaroth666Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,332Arc User
edited July 2014
My fearsome but cute halfling will "evolve" to an half-orc, my character's dmg output is going to be even more higher now.
Professions: There are new "Emperor's" Uncommon Shirt and Pant items for all classes. They are invisible to the naked eye and come with a Free Appearance Change to transmute onto any existing Shirts and Pants. They require Level 18 of the respective profession, 25,000 Astral Diamonds, a Dragon Egg and Ornate Pants or Shirt as appropriate.
There is a new Race Change Token available in the Zen Market and at the Character Selection Screen. Polymorph yourself to change Race, Ability Score choices, Appearance and Character Name. This is currently free on the Preview server for testing purposes.
Quoted the relevant parts of the latest patch notes from the preview server. I'm so excited! Possibly a bit more than I should be for the invisible clothes, but still!
For the record, the race change token does indeed let you change your gender, on Panderus' own word.
EDIT: I can't believe I missed that another thread was already started for this. If a mod could come and delete this post or merge it, that'd be great.
This is one of the best things Cryptic has ever done. I suspect you're going to see a resurgence of older characters come Module 4. All of those characters we've put so much initial effort into, but were not ideal, will come roaring back strong!
Whoo-hoo!
Pretty much my feelings.
Can we have a separate (and considerably cheaper) token to just respec initial ability scores too?
dont care about price , but i want the chracter reroll , my toon is stuck with ability points which are not even secondary , and which puts me in a bind in PVP.
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yeah, but will it preserve your actual original appearance? .
Yeah that center pic.. ewwww.. it takes years of careful in-breeding to come up with a look like that. Just kidding.. but really, the "Vlad the Impaler" look went out of style several hundred years ago.
Elves are meant to have a tapered chin. But a chin they are meant to have.
Rhyon Cawdorian GWF | Opa Loka TR | Cormac Argentus III DC | Annika Thornblade GF | Aerys Skydark HR | Bartin Findlor TR | Aellia Baalthrall CW | Lucan Hawkmoon CW | Opa Brahk GWF | Korzbyrk DC | Den Kruk GWF | Jherek Skarsin CW |
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
Yay. more easy min-maxing. Forgive me for not leaping for joy. Bad back, you know.
Good thing I quit PvP all together. And I would have if this goes live. When this comes out, PvP is a one-race event, plain and simple.
Fun for RP maybe, but we all know that's not why it will sell so well. This thing better be effing expensive (sorry RPers)
Are you really so spiteful that you wish people who made a simple mistake on character creation have their wallets hurt just to fix it and compete better than those who planned ahead? That's a pretty bad attitude to have. I've made some critical points, but it was in the interest of the games health and the players. You are purely wanting to punish players.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Yay. more easy min-maxing. Forgive me for not leaping for joy. Bad back, you know.
Good thing I quit PvP all together. And I would have if this goes live. When this comes out, PvP is a one-race event, plain and simple.
Fun for RP maybe, but we all know that's not why it will sell so well. This thing better be effing expensive (sorry RPers)
Why does it need to be expensive to prevent some sort of hypothetical "abuse?" Nay, that is just the wrong way to go about preventing such. Instead, make there be a week's timer in-between uses on a single character. That would be better than making it priced high just because of some fear that it will be used as a means to min-max PvP. Regardless, so what if someone changes their race for PvP, what harm will that do?
It's not like it's something they can do on the fly and be immediately effective... You'd have to do the change, select your race, roll your stats, select your appearance, pump your stat points, pump your skill points, pump your feat points, assign your boons, and then figure out what gear you're going to wear now and so on. That's not something that I can see being a detriment to PvP.
since this is now live on the preview shard, we are moving this thread to the preview section of the forums. feel free to discuss this change here. thanks.
Why does it need to be expensive to prevent some sort of hypothetical "abuse?" Nay, that is just the wrong way to go about preventing such. Instead, make there be a week's timer in-between uses on a single character. That would be better than making it priced high just because of some fear that it will be used as a means to min-max PvP. Regardless, so what if someone changes their race for PvP, what harm will that do?
It's not like it's something they can do on the fly and be immediately effective... You'd have to do the change, select your race, roll your stats, select your appearance, pump your stat points, pump your skill points, pump your feat points, assign your boons, and then figure out what gear you're going to wear now and so on. That's not something that I can see being a detriment to PvP.
He fears that everyone will just reroll badly chosen stats and become halflings so that he has slightly tougher competition. But that's good because otherwise the halflings would have the permanent advantage over them with no way to combat it. It also allows you to change to races that weren't released on character creation or to change your focus such as a cw focusing more on control than damage or if they nerfed perma stealth rogues, they could respec to more of an assassin build. Any changes wouldn't be their fault but could really hurt them otherwise. Having a different cost to an item shouldn't affect it's effectiveness. For example it would be ridiculous to have a clearly overpowered item in the zen store for an extremely high amount of zen, it's just not justified just because less people can afford it and use it. Therefore him arguing for a high price is unnecessarily wanting players to be negatively impact and personally I think we've had enough negative changes affecting players.
It's only on the preview server for one and at the moment it is bugged and not working if I understand correctly. People are happy that it's on the preview server and actually happening as it's something that has been asked for for a long time.
I was really hoping they would not make this token. While not against the idea of being able to change your race/abilities, it should not be as easy as just going to the Zen store. We already have the issue of the favoured enchants and armours, now comes the the same issue with race/stats. Welcome to the Clone Wars.
I was really hoping they would not make this token. While not against the idea of being able to change your race/abilities, it should not be as easy as just going to the Zen store. We already have the issue of the favoured enchants and armours, now comes the the same issue with race/stats. Welcome to the Clone Wars.
The issue already exists, I just means that you're not screwed if you picked inefficient stats/race. Imagine only being locked to using a lightning enchantment because you made a bad decision and can't ever change it. Giving you the ability to change weapon enchantments doesn't make vorpal/gpf more overpowered, just that you're able to compete better with the ones that picked those ones.
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What in game RP? There are no RP systems. RP is something a niche group of players makes up. That's all it is. You're trying to mimic pnp more, which is fine. But keep it to yourself. It's sort of like certain body parts, it becomes a problem if you whip it out and stick it in peoples faces. Which is what adding quests for something we have to pay money to do would be.
Shall we play the price is right? Closest without going over? I'm going to say 2500.
Speaking for me.. the only reason I wanted this at all is that the abilities (Str,Int,Con, etc) no longer do what they did when I chose them.
Frankly, I shouldn't have to pay just to meet the current baseline. Anyone who doesn't get that is no more worth talking with than an ingrown toenail.
(I'm thinking of my GF. An additional 2% HP per point of CON above 10 on a class that for the first time will be viable as a tank is a huge deal, and everyone knows it. To deny this is simply to say 'Hey world, look, I am full of ****!)
EDIT- I like that they are offering the option. I do not like that they are bundling it. Am I working on my character or buying a cellphone? I don't want to change my name, race, class, gender, or healthcare plan. I just want to fix the base rolls invalidated by recent changes to the game!
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
Whoo-hoo!
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always had hard time in fighting other PVP focused GWF cause of there high base stats in constitution and dexterity but now i can be on par with them.
after 1 year , good thing i waited for it
Yeah, but will it preserve your actual original appearance? When you load in to the tower of alteration interface for the second time(First time always defaults to a default, second time loads your current settings) with an old character, it still loads your *settings*, but on the hideous new meshes. This was a comparison from preview during Mod 3 testing but it still holds true on live:
So with the current alteration setup, that one in the middle is the same slider settings as the original Veldrin. Eyebrows are weird because his existing eyebrows aren't in character create. Far right can be ignored for the purpose of this, it was showing the new options after extensive editing which isn't the point of this.
My fear is this will work exactly like ToA does and thus while it does load your original appearance preset, there's no way to actually retain your appearance due to the new system. Which makes this useless for me. That freaky thing on the right with the weird-as-hell neck that widens at the top is not something I'd ever want to play with.
For the record, the race change token does indeed let you change your gender, on Panderus' own word.
EDIT: I can't believe I missed that another thread was already started for this. If a mod could come and delete this post or merge it, that'd be great.
Pretty much my feelings.
Can we have a separate (and considerably cheaper) token to just respec initial ability scores too?
Yeah that center pic.. ewwww.. it takes years of careful in-breeding to come up with a look like that. Just kidding.. but really, the "Vlad the Impaler" look went out of style several hundred years ago.
Elves are meant to have a tapered chin. But a chin they are meant to have.
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
Are you really so spiteful that you wish people who made a simple mistake on character creation have their wallets hurt just to fix it and compete better than those who planned ahead? That's a pretty bad attitude to have. I've made some critical points, but it was in the interest of the games health and the players. You are purely wanting to punish players.
It's not like it's something they can do on the fly and be immediately effective... You'd have to do the change, select your race, roll your stats, select your appearance, pump your stat points, pump your skill points, pump your feat points, assign your boons, and then figure out what gear you're going to wear now and so on. That's not something that I can see being a detriment to PvP.
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He fears that everyone will just reroll badly chosen stats and become halflings so that he has slightly tougher competition. But that's good because otherwise the halflings would have the permanent advantage over them with no way to combat it. It also allows you to change to races that weren't released on character creation or to change your focus such as a cw focusing more on control than damage or if they nerfed perma stealth rogues, they could respec to more of an assassin build. Any changes wouldn't be their fault but could really hurt them otherwise. Having a different cost to an item shouldn't affect it's effectiveness. For example it would be ridiculous to have a clearly overpowered item in the zen store for an extremely high amount of zen, it's just not justified just because less people can afford it and use it. Therefore him arguing for a high price is unnecessarily wanting players to be negatively impact and personally I think we've had enough negative changes affecting players.
anyone knows how use race change token?
idk how use it... someone can tell me please!!
It's only on the preview server for one and at the moment it is bugged and not working if I understand correctly. People are happy that it's on the preview server and actually happening as it's something that has been asked for for a long time.
I wonder if someone could use it
if you have a place to go as well as tower of alteration?
Edit- I mean in chat...
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
This is probably your issue.
The issue already exists, I just means that you're not screwed if you picked inefficient stats/race. Imagine only being locked to using a lightning enchantment because you made a bad decision and can't ever change it. Giving you the ability to change weapon enchantments doesn't make vorpal/gpf more overpowered, just that you're able to compete better with the ones that picked those ones.