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Anyone else feel mod 3 was a fail?
pandora1x
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- Tedious quests
- Useless boons
- Garbage gear (IMO as a TR)
If module 4 came along with no Ice Wind dale it would make no difference. IWD was released in the wrong time. It was like "Oh play this and that while waiting for an actual Module: Tyranny of dragons".
Bigger fail than Sharandar itself. At least Sharandar's boons were pretty decent.
Discuss.
- Useless boons
- Garbage gear (IMO as a TR)
If module 4 came along with no Ice Wind dale it would make no difference. IWD was released in the wrong time. It was like "Oh play this and that while waiting for an actual Module: Tyranny of dragons".
Bigger fail than Sharandar itself. At least Sharandar's boons were pretty decent.
Discuss.
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For PvErs it was not a good module, I agree. But probably it was not meant for them.
And I'm a PvEr. :P
..where was I again? Oh.. yes, I am inclined to agree. I like the PvP campaign, but otherwise, it's forgettable, missable and more buggy than I am comfortable with.
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I couldn't care less about the Black Ice Resistance (or BI Damage, Idk why that was added), and since we have to charge it up all the time for me that gear was a big no.
Something that I think they should do is make us change our gear. I'm annoyed with my High Vizier and Ancient Court set already, maybe they should create a new gear where the stats actually mattered for PvE CWs. Come on... Deflection? Life Steal? Regeneration?
I like the mechanical idea behind a slot in gears that have "timed" augmentation. It could open the doors to a new craft, and added temp bonuses to gear in the future, and perhaps give people room to adjust play style to different content, or need. Will they run with it? I doubt it.
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useless boons/gear with ridiculous ICD and item decay on them...
Has anyone ever successfully finished IWD PVP campaign? I'm curious.
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I don't mind the daily grind if there's a reason. So far, other than something to do, I don't see the reason.
As for black ice gear i think its great, the stats are amazing and it decays over time because its very strong and it needed some catch.
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I actually enjoyed the Heroic Encounters but the problem is they are dispatched before a lot of people can get to them. So many people do a single big encounter that the lag tends to cause more death than dealing damage to the boss.
There are groups that run around kill heroics so if you get lucky and find them its pretty fun riding around destorying mobs and encounters and you surprisingly get a bunch of stuff when you are done as its more entertaining to ride around killing heroics than farming dailies and black ice nodes.
The open world pvp is a bit of a fail, the matches don't start often and when they do no one is around and you either just win by default or AB comes in zerg style to trounce on the 3 people that are there. Another game I played had chests in the PVP zone that you could run around and pick up PVP rewards from. Of course that breeds bots unless you move the chest around. I don't know of a way to make open world domination work other than instead of having it balanced and start when proper number of players are in an instance that they start every hour or something. Its fun to find people shout out for PVP run there and have a match or stalk people ... but the fact that you die you get injured have to use a kit kinda impedes me personally from doing it much. If they made PVP kits that made you immune to injury in the PVP area that lasted say 30 minutes then i'd be game, make them Black Ice injury kits, I would farm ice for that.
I think there should have been more progression in the zones, maybe even make it so that you moved from IWP to DV, KR and then finally into a map where the whole map is PVP flagged. Instead of nodes to hold you had to claim black ice mother loads that you had to hold to control an area or something.
I did enjoy it as a whole but it was not long before I got super burned out, that 35 days of farming was brutal. Initially I thought have a full set of black ice gear would not be so bad but yeah after a couple of hours of play, the ice needed to top you of is over a thousand (even if you use one of those potions). This is if you have a full set, not so bad if you are just using a MH/OH or just using a 2 peice set or even a 4 piece set but using a fully geared black ice for a few hours eats your reserve of black ice in a hurry as all 6 pieces in total will eat a fair amount of ice in a couple of hours, and imagine in I think 6 hours your gear reverts to T2 status and its 1500 - 2250 ice for each piece to fill back up. This does give a reason to keep running Kessels retreat and even do the weekly but if you are like me and want to actually use black ice gear regularly it tends to require a substantial amount of time running around IWD farming for Ice one way or another.
Wish there was some way to make doing heroics a bit more friendly or make it so you can queue with people for that reason to ride around the map doing heroic encounters, right now the whole LFG thing isn't really working, I find an easier time finding people to run sharrandar and dread ring doing that than I do with finding people to run with in IWD. But again the added bonus is you can just ride around and jump in with any group you see and just follow them around. So not too bad but a bit harder to get good rewards that way since you might not be getting in damage and what not like you need to get top reward chances.
I did like the fact that the gear works good in PVE and well in PVP, granted its not great in either as its a jack of all trades set, I like that if not for the feeding of ice which is a bit rough in the long run, farming ice really does get old fast too. I still did great in dungeon runs (yeah not top dps or anything but still I can do 25 million on a CN in my full ice set up as a CW). I can do well in PVP but yeah if your whole team sucks its a floor stomp no matter what gear you are in.
1. The boons are useless.
2. The tenacity T2 gear is better than Black Ice Gear.
3. In open world PvP, it's always me vs. 5 fully decked out 17k+ gs monsters.
PvP:
-OWPvP has been a blast for me on all of my characters. Sure, it sucks when its either completely dead or 10v1 in the zone, but those times when its 4-6 players hunting each other down give the game a real 'wilderness PvP' feel and have been some of the most fun I've had in Neverwinter PvP. Its a nice addition to Domination.
-An entire PvP Campaign! Two campaigns for the price of none. lol
PvE:
-Heroic Encounters are an awesome new way of playing socially and not having to worry about the troubles of LFG. I really hope they continue to implement this Rift-style, live-event type of play throughout the game. I would love to see these start popping up in the leveling zones.
-Kessel's Retreat is fun, first time I died in a while, it was refreshing. I finally have something to do during Skirmish Events.
Gear:
-I like the boons, not sure what all the hate is about... I think they were meant to be situational-boons, effective in IWD OWPvP and in Kessel's Retreat in particular , yet not overly effective in the cookie-cutter Domination/Dungeon meta-playstyles that have evolved for each class. The purpose is to make you stronger for IWD without inflating the overall power creep. I think its better this way TBH.
-Black Ice armor, similar to the boons, feel like they were supposed to be super effective for IWD content. I think they did a great job of creating sets that work well while you're out in the cold of IWD while avoiding adding to the overall power creep. The skins are quite attrocious and are probably my only gripe with the entire module. Maybe devs can early-release some concept art and get community feedback about future armor sets?
-Dozens of new artifacts. Probably doubled the total number of artifacts in the game. Can't be mad about that...
RP:
-A bunch of new fashion, new armor/weapon to transmute, an entire new hub-city with some great characters. I think IWD is a lot richer for RP than either of the previous modules by far.
I don't see how people can be disappointed with Mod 3. It must be a matter of expectations being too high. Or maybe people felt overcharged :rolleyes:
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
I think a big part of certain things in it(mod3) was that people aren't getting what they were expecting:
Open world PVP:
Not the roflstomp-fests with their guilds that they were expecting
Boons:
Not the "x power/crit/defense" stat boons, or the unbalanced boons that everyone just HAS to get. So now players have to think before they pick, instead of "RAWR MORE POWER!, RAWR MORE CRIT!"
Campaign:
35 days in all may be a bit much, but the quests rotate as you get farther in, the encounters(while the drop rate is bad) keep players involved as a mini skirmish of sorts.
PVP campaign:
"Wow, a good way to get people involved PVP, and to differentiate PvP while not entirely unbalancing it. Surely they wont complain about that... then they did".
/facepalm
Still best mod until now. The pvp campaign is beautiful.
Im going to be more worried about the mod 4 gears....they suck even more.
That's what why it's kinda frustrating to play new content and grind for gear that you most likely won't use unless the nerf/antiquated hammer will hit these old T2 sets at one point.
Another strange thing about 4-sets is that it's getting harder to understand their impact.
T1/T2 were simple, percental or absolute stat increases, debuffs, healing. And now? Power then movement speed. Internal cooldowns, "chance when doing this and that".
Without ACT, you can't compare these sets any longer and most of them read like they are thought to be of very situation use, because the effect only procs off certain powers and stuff.
I personally would place the campaign between Sharandar and Dread Ring in terms of annoyance, but gear acquisition is hands down the worst. Too much RNG involved and mysterious HE rankings that doesn't seem to be very balanced between classes (poor TR).
I'd say it leaning towards being a failure.
As for PvP, besides a new open world PvP map and artifacts, other aspects seem to remain pretty much the same. No deterioration and also no noticeable improvement.
Overall, it wasn't a fail, but it also didn't bring a revolutionary improvement to the game.
Its absolutely the worst idea to acquire gear they have had thus far. They could have at least tied the experienced gained towards a means of getting the gloves and weapon.
Really not happy with that part of it!!
Oh, one last thing, not giving Hunter Rangers a respec token given a new paragon path was a fail as well.
Just an example- the 'Episodes' in StarTrek Online. Those were great. When they stopped, I cancelled my sub and quit STO.. Went to Champs Online.. Adventure packs and such were awesome.. but then no new content of quality, so off I went again.. (I still sub though, for some reason..) In Neverwinter, while leveling, there is the Spellburst arc. It is really well done and enjoyable (even if shorter than I'd like,) and even continues (a little) in the otherwise painfully tedious Chasm zone.
The thing is.. modules are supposed to be stories, in which you as the player take an active part. That is what they were in the game on which all this is based. I came to this game initially because I thought.. this is based on DnD... there will be stories to follow, and not just 'run here, run there, hurry up and do it the way other people want you to do it.'
So.. maybe we can get something like that some time? Does it require too much creativity?
To keep it on topic- I tried Mod3 on several chars, each of whom has had the 'OP' finger pointed directly at them (the character, not just the class) on occasion. Not one of them found it in any way amusing. I got the artifacts, and after chasing around the dailies for the boons for a few days each, seeing all the bugs, and the hatred for one's fellows that the design seems to feed into, have decided not to bother.. I have more important and entertaining things to do, such as slowly pulling out my toenails one by one with a rusty pair of needle nose pliers.
Edit- one could argue that the episodes in STO didn't stop, but they did.. putting in a mod that just requires that you change your whole way of playing, join a fleet and dump all your resources into building a treefort simply doesn't count.
Edit2- the ONLY thing in IWD that I was even remotely interested in was the regular boons. Black Ice Gear? Really?? Never in life.
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I do really like the open feel of the zone and the new NPC. The pvp campaign was a good idea, however all it really added was different achievements in domination and a pretty empty open pvp zone. If they can figure a way to get more people in there IE events it would be awesome. They were close on this one.