I mean, isn't it? This race is so obviously dominative when it comes to PvP. Just look at PvP guilds, all competitive PvPers have halfling GWFs/TRs/HRs(oh these ones are annoying) and even CWs. And those GWF halflings running around in domination are simply surreal. I am not a big buff of 4e as I only had the time to read the 3.5 handbooks back in my school/college years but I do remember halflings were not able to wield great weapons. Outrageous.
Okay, enough runt, here is my constructive feedback:
In my opinion, bonuses granted to this race are too good comparing to the other races. I don't really mind the 10% CC resistance even though it's too cheesy too but the flat +3% deflect chance is too good, especially in combo with Bold racial passive. For example, take Wood Elf's racial bonuses, they only got +1% and 10% more resistance against slows. Just 1% and 10%...against SLOWS? Isn't that ridiculous? What race may provide bonuses as good as halfling's?
The only race I could compare to halflings in terms of racial feats effectivness is probably dwarves but still theirs are too vague for me to judge.
Somebody may say that the other races got really good racial passives for DPS but let's say that straight - PvP is about defence and how much you can take before you die and halflings is the best choice for that. There must be some variety. Halflings' flat +3% deflect chance should be either decreased to 1% or changed to +3% deflect stat bonus similar to Versatile Defense of humans. I do know the deflect stat is kind of hard to stack but it'd would be still rewarding if they focus on that, plus they still have 10% CC resistance which works well with tenacity.
Used to find them SO cuteeeeeee but the avid PVPers ruined that race and I find them annoying as hell and hate them now srs
It's not like I hate them but I always had an apathy for that race, tbh. Don't know why but I always try to keep a distance from them >.>
Both RP/Game wise.
It's not like I hate them but I always had an apathy for that race, tbh. Don't know why but I always try to keep a distance from them >.>
Both RP/Game wise.
lol even when you RP? why? I think they're adroable, especially female halflings lol.
Halflings may be tuff but cryptic broke the legs of halflings in the character creation screen with the lastest character creation update! I am just happy i have an old body type with strong legs.
Actually, I agree with you. Problem isn't that the halfling bonus is too good but the other racial bonuses are too weak. I.E Half Elf 1% gold find... really?
I don't have enough D&D knowledge but I would like to know if these same racial bonuses appears in the books or were added by the devs.
But seriously is it a problem when you are seeing more hafling cws?
Something needs to be done about this as more serious pvp players will always choose this race. Either a change of the hafling or changes to other racial bonuses to make them have their own attractiveness.
How about everyone tell everyone else which class and race they are allowed to play as well.
I say the only way we can ever end the whining in this game is that everyone is only allowed to play the same race and class. And everyone starts out with the same gear and enchants and can never upgrade.
Oh <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, that wont work either because than the whiners will cry that the other guy has a better internet connection and that is not fair.
How about everyone tell everyone else which class and race they are allowed to play as well.
I say the only way we can ever end the whining in this game is that everyone is only allowed to play the same race and class. And everyone starts out with the same gear and enchants and can never upgrade.
Oh <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, that wont work either because than the whiners will cry that the other guy has a better internet connection and that is not fair.
Seriously people. GET A LIFE
A Harvard study shows that 100% of people who tell other people to get a life over the internet need to get a life.
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Halflings are great for PvP and all , but for PvE deflect chance and CC resist are kinda crappy compared to some of the other racials....probably worth considering. I wouldn't support nerfing the halfling racial, but there are definitely a few racials that need some buffing.
--- Ranked matches need to be solo-queue only
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
Halflings are great for PvP and all , but for PvE deflect chance and CC resist are kinda crappy compared to some of the other racials....probably worth considering. I wouldn't support nerfing the halfling racial, but there are definitely a few racials that need some buffing.
Pretty much this. I have a hard time rolling other than halfling for pvp, or horc or human for pve.
Drow need either a much longer timer on the debuff or a much higher proc rate. (and a fix for clerics if it's not fixed)
Dwarves last I knew were pretty much broken
Helf needs it's bonuses put to 2% or maybe 3% each
Moon/Sunelves need their ap gain boosted farther, not sure how much I'd put the % at.
I honestly don't feel Halfling is always the best or the supreme race for PvP. Once I got serious about PvP, I saw everyone else using them and saying they were by far the best option b/c of 10% cc resist, so I've been doing it ever since. When I actually play a human or another race though, I truly don't notice that extra effect that everyone claims is so superior with resist. Aside from that, Halfling isn't so superior compared to everything else and it truly is minor -> not even noticeable for the CC resist portion. I'd have to agree and say its another case of people wanting something to point at as an excuse. Yeah, Halfling is good compared to the others, and best in SOME situations for PVP specifically. What about PvE? What about classes that can get 3 -> 9% more damage depending on circumstances from 3 feat points instead by going human? If I could remake my CW with the current feats Human would be fantastic for 3% more dmg in PvP (or 6% more damage on shard and AOE) not including better stat allocations for even more bonuses, instead of a little extra deflect when deflect chance is so horribly low on that class to be effective and a non noticeable CC resist. Some race bonuses are for utility, some for damage, ect. It just so happens that hafling is based around survivability, and that tends to work well in PvP, but not well in PvE/other game modes, or not well even in some PvP situations where your damage is lacking from survivability stacking.
It may be a trend among PvP-ers, but is it really unbalanced or just a popularity case? What about all the other top, well known PvP-ers that don't use Halfling because its not what they originally chose when starting? Or those who don't use max CON or perfect stat rolls? I don't notice disadvantages in their fighting from a very minute racial bonus.
Smart ppl use humans for strikers (expecially HRs)... the readers of LOL guides use Halflings
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This is standard in any sort of competitive play in any game. those guilds or groups will always go for anything that gives them even the slightest edge.
All for the sake of coming ahead in anyway they can. This has always been the case and it always will. Let them. I dont personally care. Trying to balance that wont make a difference, as they'll do the same in some other area. That small slight bonus isnt anything major in the grand spectrum of things.
Using a Halfling for PvP is really only a Min/Max issue. The 10% CC resist is great when it procs, and the +3% deflect is great for those classes that stack it, but I see plenty of very effective PvP toons of other races.
For PvE there are better choices for most classes already. Not sure drastic action is called for TBH.
This is standard in any sort of competitive play in any game. those guilds or groups will always go for anything that gives them even the slightest edge.
All for the sake of coming ahead in anyway they can. This has always been the case and it always will. Let them. I dont personally care. Trying to balance that wont make a difference, as they'll do the same in some other area. That small slight bonus isnt anything major in the grand spectrum of things.
Now imagine... Halflings getting a class feature - rework. PvP guilds filled with tons and tons of sad midget like characters.
I am racist when it comes to this. In my mind races are strictly limited to certain classes.
I could never roll a Halfling GWF/GF/CW/DC/HR because it just doesn't look right to me. I'd only feel right with a Halfling TR. Also, Elvish & Tiefling GFs and GWFs don't work for me either. I struggle to picture a Half-Orc being anything but a GF or GWF. I once saw a Dwarf TR ninjaing around PE and thought that looked unnatural.
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yes yes its focken brilliant!
Somebody would actually start picking Illusion Shimmer boon instead of 250 arp
It's not like I hate them but I always had an apathy for that race, tbh. Don't know why but I always try to keep a distance from them >.>
Both RP/Game wise.
WTB Class Reroll please
lol even when you RP? why? I think they're adroable, especially female halflings lol.
But I seriously despise them in PVP.
:mad:
Actually, I agree with you. Problem isn't that the halfling bonus is too good but the other racial bonuses are too weak. I.E Half Elf 1% gold find... really?
I don't have enough D&D knowledge but I would like to know if these same racial bonuses appears in the books or were added by the devs.
NERF EVERYTHING BECAUSE I LOST A FIGHT
Something needs to be done about this as more serious pvp players will always choose this race. Either a change of the hafling or changes to other racial bonuses to make them have their own attractiveness.
I say the only way we can ever end the whining in this game is that everyone is only allowed to play the same race and class. And everyone starts out with the same gear and enchants and can never upgrade.
Oh <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, that wont work either because than the whiners will cry that the other guy has a better internet connection and that is not fair.
Seriously people. GET A LIFE
A Harvard study shows that 100% of people who tell other people to get a life over the internet need to get a life.
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
Enforce rainbow parties in PvP ---- 10v10 PvP ----
Pretty much this. I have a hard time rolling other than halfling for pvp, or horc or human for pve.
Drow need either a much longer timer on the debuff or a much higher proc rate. (and a fix for clerics if it's not fixed)
Dwarves last I knew were pretty much broken
Helf needs it's bonuses put to 2% or maybe 3% each
Moon/Sunelves need their ap gain boosted farther, not sure how much I'd put the % at.
Tiefling are probably good.
Wood Elves raise their crit to 5%
It may be a trend among PvP-ers, but is it really unbalanced or just a popularity case? What about all the other top, well known PvP-ers that don't use Halfling because its not what they originally chose when starting? Or those who don't use max CON or perfect stat rolls? I don't notice disadvantages in their fighting from a very minute racial bonus.
All for the sake of coming ahead in anyway they can. This has always been the case and it always will. Let them. I dont personally care. Trying to balance that wont make a difference, as they'll do the same in some other area. That small slight bonus isnt anything major in the grand spectrum of things.
For PvE there are better choices for most classes already. Not sure drastic action is called for TBH.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Now imagine... Halflings getting a class feature - rework. PvP guilds filled with tons and tons of sad midget like characters.
I do however remember races could not be certain classes do to height, weight, size or religious affiliations etc.
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I could never roll a Halfling GWF/GF/CW/DC/HR because it just doesn't look right to me. I'd only feel right with a Halfling TR. Also, Elvish & Tiefling GFs and GWFs don't work for me either. I struggle to picture a Half-Orc being anything but a GF or GWF. I once saw a Dwarf TR ninjaing around PE and thought that looked unnatural.