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Feels like they missed the control part of the changelog. I see all the damage nerf in PvE and PvP but where is the control buff to balance it?
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CW's who've been relying to long on the crutch of a busted up EotS feature are now going to feel the pain. Almost none of the changes listed surprise me.
But to the test server! Let's get some data folks!
I'm not happy with the nerfs in group debuffing, but I will test this things myself before i start throwing a tantrum, you see shard nerf but you dont even see the steal time buff. (sure it's less total, but shard was destroying everything with nothing coming close to it).
Even with singularity nerf theres nothing that comes close to its ultility, sure it would have been better if it was capped at 10 instead of 8, if you do get overwhelmed, just use oppressive force is a better hard CC anyway.
PvP changes are very harsh too, but until you test the new feat changes, stop claiming its the end of the world
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Before we make any changes to control potency (which have drastic impacts on other players in both PVE and PVP) we want to see where they fall and how powerful they still are in large AoE settings. We looked at the casting time and damage output of all their powers and tuned back some of the incredibly egregious ones and brought up some of the much weaker ones.
In addition, I want to reinforce that Thaumaturge and Renegade are both DPS trees, and their control being weaker is fine. Oppressor is the premiere control tree and its new ability to spread long duration stuns with shatter across the battlefield have proven to be incredibly potent in our internal testing. Control Wizards now have to make a conscious choice on whether they are playing a magical destroyer who decimates his foes with his spells or whether he wants to freeze all his enemies in their tracks. The feat trees are much more strongly divorced now to allow that dichotomy to exist.
Something many posters are also missing is that Armor Penetration now works on all powers, so the CW actually gets a 24%+ damage boost on most attacks
For some encounter rotations, this might actually make the Control Wizard more damaging than it is currently and could use further adjustment
I started playing this game as a Trickster Rogue. I love rogue classes, but once I reached 60, I quickly realized that they were not nearly as useful as some of the other classes. I leveled up a CW and came to really enjoy the class. Now I feel like these changes are going to hamstring the class in the name of balance... Why not focus on improving or balancing the other classes in a positive way instead of slashing another class (that does take some skill to play well).
Like I said, I can see the need for some of these changes, but wow... So much sad if this goes through to the live game once Mod 4 comes out.
Honestly I dont think CWs need any big changes. And you help no one by nerfing CWs. Why dont you buff up the other classes instead or add more control-immune mobs (like you already started)?
Such a big nerf will only p++ off many players including myself
EDIT: You not only nerf damage by up to 60% (!!!) but also limit the number of adds to control further.... why? If we are not supposed to do damage (there is still no other caster DPS class in the game btw), why nerf control even more?
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
OK thanks for clarification on feat trees, could you check on suggestions I posted on the first page (especially in heroic feats and suddem storm change). I guess I'm gonna go Oppresor MotF if SS will remain as in theese patch notes
That's actually a very good point.
What about the survivability ? I'm ok with the dps nerf but AOE's damage is what keeps us alive with so little control. We can teleport 3 times and after ? We will also be slower to cast spell !
I mean : GF have a shield, Dc can heal, TR stealth, GWF have... intelligence and HR have bit of everything. Till now CW have (a lot) of AOE's DPS and little control. Now : less dps and less control. How can we be useful to the group ?
I'm sorry, but what game are you playing? In almost every single dungeon, the problems are adds on the bosses. For example: Spellplague, Castle Never, Pirate King, Karrundux (spelled wrong probably), etc. Most bosses are a joke which only cause wipes due to adds. The only dungeons that I can think of off of the top of my head are VT, CT, MC. All of those dungeons are very impractical to rerun unless you REALLY want to.
PS - I'd be happy to test with you CW vs GWF, or anything via GWF honestly, on the test shard. Hit me up, you know where I be...
No Crush those other classes can't, and yes I did everything I could to try to make it so for them. But now you've even nerfed the Debuffs.
They never could, their specialties were always Single target. The CW was the AoE specialist, prior to that, only the GWF could participate, which was the seat of the problem originally and will remain so.
I cannot understand why they nerfed the Renegade path which was already a lower damager than the Thaum path unless you knew what you were doing. You had to know what you were doing to make that one work in the first place.
Lastly, the ArP was already working with the AoE spells. so there was nothing there that's going to Mitigate this.
And I have no idea why you keep trying to shove Icy Terrain down everyone's throat. Its a bad spell and always has been.
I play an MoF these days so most of this stuff doesn't even affect me. But I have already proven to all the other Spellstorms this path was always the equal of it in the beginning. It was a mistake to believe Spellstorms were overpowered in the first place.
And I will not participate in something that will destroy the CW in this fashion, over petty jealousy nonetheless... that won't even address the actual problem. This is so far out of touch, Its not even worth bothering with.
And that doesn't even get into CWs in PvP.
Ray of Enfeeblement's debuff no longer working for allies kind of defeats its purpose. Its a single target skill, not an aoe. Thats my main purpose in using it in pve and pvp. I could be damaging and controlling mobs but I still find time to turn and use that on boss for my team.
now it serves no use, same in pvp now that everythings damage has been decreased.
These changes really messes up synergy with other classes and with others of the same classes. I'm pretty sure these sort of changes arent the kind we were wanting.
Also, why does Fanning the Flame need a recharge increase? It's TAB utility is still inferior to Sudden Storm so why not leave it alone.
Are you sure ArP acts as a control bonus against CONTROL IMMUNE targets? I haven't heard anything about this before but I'm sure ArP->DR and Control Bonus -> control resist are completely different things.
Also fix on ArP is mentioned as a counter to these damage nerfs BUT didn't the encounters which recieved the heaviest nerfs already benefited from ArP? Sudden Storm and Shard?
I haven't before but I'll absolutely go to preview server to see the changes myself. I feel frustrated by just reading preview notes but I'll give my feedback later after I test it. However gratz for forcing me rethinking the way I want to play my CW, I even consider going opressor as a possibility, along with quiting the game entirely.
How about you actually will find it useful to bring DC and GF along now to hold aggro while you can deal damage without mobs all chasing you?
GFs will now actually be able to hold aggro even if you AoE everything
What Module 4 does is stop the stupidity of GWF + CW only parties and make all classes have a place in the party.
Well, we all knew it was coming, enjoy your CW's while you can, this one's a class-killer!
"Eye of the Storm: This power now has an internal cooldown of 90 seconds. Base Duration increased to 4 seconds (up from 2). Duration increase per rank increased to 1 (up from .5)."
Bye bye, EOTS, guess CW's will actually have to stack some crit now.
With that + shard and AS nerf any dungeon will become a horrid chore in chasing down 50 annoying adds with combat advantage AI...........
I guess the old adage will remain true, if you wanna PVP, roll a GWF or TR.
If you actually read the notes you'd see they decreased CW attack speed around-the-board.
Main hitters was already fixed! Shard/sudden/OF was benefited from Arp.
RAy of enfeeblement/coi and these type of encounters damage won't really make big difference to see these changes as some kind of recompensation.
I totally agree, please STOP with the "nerfs-WARS" (in all classes) first dungeons suited to new boons given to char, then buffs the enemies and bosses, make it be more strategic, and equalize the classes with buffs not nerfs! this makes the community in a "state of war" where a harm others just to see your changes made and who can with the nerfs? increase the ego! I know the work is hard, so I Respect, but this is NOT the way!
If you want to fix the PVP simply separate the effects of skills! omfg it never ends, every modification is a "new fashion" is to enchant, is the build! would be much easier to fix the content of the whole game instead of just NERF everything and everyone or create new feats with strange effects!
I understand that MMO is a "living game", but that each module is like a new game, some classes die, others are reborn and center of all this unimaginable spent on enchants, runes and companions needed at a given time and totally disposable in another!
Stop and think and listen to those who have a bit of rationality and common sense within the community and not the "crybabies" who only play if with a OP class and even if it has to denigrate and cry for changes in other classes! you are being fickle and yielding to the "interests" of the minority! trasforme not think this game into a "zombie MMO" ... because this game has a huge potential and should not be wasted!
This will be my only constructive feedback!
Said up from, meaning an increase.
Letting go of things that we're used too is hard but time will heal it.
Lets accept the changes as a challenge to test our wits (we're int based anyways
Arp addition will lighten up some new spells and will change our typical Shard,Steal,Coi Loadouts.
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I just watched a CW perma cc a DC to death...they never moved a muscle until after 3 rotations. The CW was an Oppressor.
Also, the CW powers are so laggy now. They literally move at 5 frames per second (or close to that).
That was me. :P
Shatter gives control, it wont be as useful against GWF/TRs/HRs as against a DC.
I cant do anything at all against a TR. No control, no damage, and I die fast against them.
Some powers lags the whole game out like the shard and chillstrike/ice knife etc. also the game is crashing for our whole guild.
/ ZengiaH
This tells me they never even tested these changes... just wild guessed and threw nerfs at the board willy nilly... without even bothering to think this through...