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oicidraz
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I know that there's a lot of post that mention how bad are the GF, just wanted to share my own and worst experience I've had with my GF, and know what you think.
The thing is that I'm Protector/Tactician 13.5K GS and I have a lot of Defensive stats, 52% DR, 30% Deflect, 1.4K Regen, 570 Life Steal and 28K HP, also I have Lightning/Thunderhead Enchantments which give me a lot of Threat/Aggro, and at least I have 2.7K Power, yeah, I have A LOT of defensive stats... So... normally, I run dungeons with 3 DPS and 1 DC and I feel I can help a lot in the survavility (I keep doing KV, Enforced Threath and Lunging Strike), I think I've never ended a Dungeon in which I haven't got 1st place in Immovable, however, some of those parties were PUGS and relatively new, but also there were some that were better equipped and more experienced, and I've got some compliment for being an awesome Tank, BUT!!!... in all these parties there was a DC!, I could make KV cause the DC is there to Heal me (or to Make Astral Shield/Hallowed Ground which make me allmost inmortal), but in the last Dungeon I went... the thing was different... 3 GWF (from 10.8K to 15.5K) and 1 CW in FH... here I just felt like a useless 9K cr*p, not only because the Paingiver gap was a little bigger than usual (I don't care too much about that), but the fact that sometimes I needed to stop attacking and wait for the Potion to be ready, while the 15.5k GWF was aggroing 3 groups of enemies was what made me think like: "What the f**k, so this class is supposedly the Tanky Class?", "How is there a game in which a DPS Build in a DPS Class can be Tankier than a Tanky Build in a freaking Tanky Class" or "This is B**lsh*t", well, you got the idea xD, anyway, I ended 1st in Immovable (Lightning/Thunderhead make you have Aggro no matter if there's a GWF destroying all), but the fact that I felt that I was getting Aggro with no reason, cause the GWFs could fill their HP with just Life Steal and the fact that I died 3 times while the 10.8K died once and the other 2 didn't (maybe they did but I don't remember), this game is pretty bad designed... pretty bad... DPS Class/DPS Build is Tankier than a Tanky Class/Tanky Build..., guess I have to stack Life Steal and Power/Crit/ArP from Now to be Tankier, NWN Logic...
Anyway, as a GF you can choose be Tank or DPS, but in both GWF will be above you, at least you can be close in 1 Thing, but you will fail in the other aspect while the GWF can be great in both at the same time and with no DC, it's ridiculous!.
The thing is that I'm Protector/Tactician 13.5K GS and I have a lot of Defensive stats, 52% DR, 30% Deflect, 1.4K Regen, 570 Life Steal and 28K HP, also I have Lightning/Thunderhead Enchantments which give me a lot of Threat/Aggro, and at least I have 2.7K Power, yeah, I have A LOT of defensive stats... So... normally, I run dungeons with 3 DPS and 1 DC and I feel I can help a lot in the survavility (I keep doing KV, Enforced Threath and Lunging Strike), I think I've never ended a Dungeon in which I haven't got 1st place in Immovable, however, some of those parties were PUGS and relatively new, but also there were some that were better equipped and more experienced, and I've got some compliment for being an awesome Tank, BUT!!!... in all these parties there was a DC!, I could make KV cause the DC is there to Heal me (or to Make Astral Shield/Hallowed Ground which make me allmost inmortal), but in the last Dungeon I went... the thing was different... 3 GWF (from 10.8K to 15.5K) and 1 CW in FH... here I just felt like a useless 9K cr*p, not only because the Paingiver gap was a little bigger than usual (I don't care too much about that), but the fact that sometimes I needed to stop attacking and wait for the Potion to be ready, while the 15.5k GWF was aggroing 3 groups of enemies was what made me think like: "What the f**k, so this class is supposedly the Tanky Class?", "How is there a game in which a DPS Build in a DPS Class can be Tankier than a Tanky Build in a freaking Tanky Class" or "This is B**lsh*t", well, you got the idea xD, anyway, I ended 1st in Immovable (Lightning/Thunderhead make you have Aggro no matter if there's a GWF destroying all), but the fact that I felt that I was getting Aggro with no reason, cause the GWFs could fill their HP with just Life Steal and the fact that I died 3 times while the 10.8K died once and the other 2 didn't (maybe they did but I don't remember), this game is pretty bad designed... pretty bad... DPS Class/DPS Build is Tankier than a Tanky Class/Tanky Build..., guess I have to stack Life Steal and Power/Crit/ArP from Now to be Tankier, NWN Logic...
Anyway, as a GF you can choose be Tank or DPS, but in both GWF will be above you, at least you can be close in 1 Thing, but you will fail in the other aspect while the GWF can be great in both at the same time and with no DC, it's ridiculous!.
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hr have 6 dodges.. we have nothing..
Im a 13.6k gwf and i been thinking play as GF..
plz.. can you tell about GF things? why they so bad? i saw some videos on youtube and they look preety god.. at least in pvp;..
GF is not meant to be the terror of the battlefield its job is to protect others from harm you won't get a 30k hit with the GF without having the skills up to power up. GWF is naturally stronger in damage but its tankiness is lacking without unstoppable. Also without unstoppable GWF is basically a faster moving heavier hitting GF with less aggro. But its dps would be closer to the same due to not having an attack speed bonus among other things.
GF also dont get many critical damage opportunities mostly because thier attribute stats do not accommodate a crit bonus and many of its gear sets are all focused on Defense with a minor in power and usually no to very little crit there either plus thier weapons also have the least weapon damage of all classes.
This doesnt mean they are weak but it means that they do damage slower and at a smaller rate of hits all thier offensive abilities do hit hard but dont crit often enough to truly "DPS". They are also much more difficult to play because you have to consider everything as it's not just run in headfirst smash.
GF are always sturdy though so long as you realise when enough is enough and can pick and choose when and what when it comes to blocking, tanking, and kiting because there isnt a way to increase DR to the same extent as the GWF even if you have the powers slotted for it just remember that enemies move, then stop, and then attack if you can identify the moves they use you can avoid the damage or block the damage if its an aoe and you cant evade but still get them to chase you afterwords. when surrounded block as much heavy damage as possible without breaking guard and tank what is viable to tank
If it hits more than 5k chances are you want to block it if its 2k just tank it. Remember that it comes back while not blocking damage and there are a few ways to empower/restore guard as it goes down more with number of attacks blocked than it does with amount of damage blocked.
GF are not bad they just dont fit in with a crowd of dps classes and many see them as a wasted slot even when a good GF can keep enemies in one spot to allow aoe and turreting as well as keeping the enemies from attacking the weaker classes allowing such turreting. It also allows the dps classes to focus a boss while you kite the 100 enemies that spawn. This class is obviously not for everyone it's a protection role wether its conq or not its job is to make things easier to deal with; its not 100% necessary but then again no class really is even the CW and even the GWF.
This is something a GWF fails at over and over again. It is an excellent killer has great personal survivability but aggro generation just doesn't happen and when it does its not for very long which makes it that GWF cannot really protect anyone but itself besides knocking things down all it takes is an hr doing split a few times in a row and almost all aggro is lost. It also has very few options for party protection. My GF never has this problem.... ever.
as for pots cooldown unstoppable can last more than half that cooldown and while thier t.hp is up they are healing with thier ls and regen and by the time they are low again they are ready to do it again.
plus there were three of them think about what 2 gwf can do in pvp then think about what they can do with three of them they were likely protecting themselves and each other they don't really need a GF to protect them which is why you felt inadequate.
With a group of all squishies I'd rather have or be a GF than a GWF if the squishies do thier job well and are strong enough it doesnt really matter the difference between the GF's ability to tank and the GWFs ability to damage because they aren't wasting seconds dodging everytime something comes near them because most or all of them are attacking the GF. The GF may not be a hero when it comes to damage but ensuring that the enemy is not attacking/pestering dps makes it a different kind of hero.
Fighters recovery can restore you to full health after a few hits or using enforced threat.
I hope this is just sarcasm or trolling. Nothing, as in unstoppable = most OP class mechanic in the game aside from some pesty perma stealth silliness. Guard goes down, BAM, you're useless. Take some damage, god mode: get back up your health, health back up, take some damage and activate god mode again, and again.
Only time a GWF gets caught with their pants down is when they're focused on with CC spam so that unstoppable can never get a chance, but then everyone is spent and there are fresh people coming at you with encounters ready.
PVP and PVE are two different things. In PVP GFs are not that bad. In PVE we are way behind.
Our shield/guard is also terrible. It is easily broken within seconds.
And you cannot compare the survivability. I have both a GF and GWF and the GWF can take far more punishment thanks to Unstoppable and Life Steal.
In PvE the changes that will come are listed here:
The 3 points are:
1- Generate more Threat
2- Interaction between Blocking and healers
3- Empower teammates
Point 1 would be good since we are the Tanks, also, Point 3 would be an improve at any Party.... but I see that point 2 would make us more DC dependant (and we are a lot right now), so as I see it, point 2 should be replaced with better survability (more AC, Deflect Severity, Being able to drink Potions faster, IDK...), but if we generate more Threath and there's not a DC I can only imagine GF Dying every 5 minutes, we need something to survive in any case, with or withouth a DC.
The truth is, none of the three points stated are affecting the GF in any way, except maybe the DC healing thing. I think, people are just terrible at building up their characters properly and unable to make them fit into either tank/dps/burst/hybrid - roles.
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Luckily, certain kind people (myself included) gave the dev some hints about the real issues, that us GF are facing.
Good luck mate.
How do you get to 35/36k HP in PVE? At the moment my Conqueror with 3 rank 7 Radiants and the 700 HP from Sharandar just pushes 30k in PVE. My CON is on 24 as well.
Also, with regards to your Knight Captain set, have you addressed the complete lack of deflection that set gives you? I lose nearly 10% deflection going from Timeless to Knight Captain. Or is it a case of the regen compensating? I want to retool my KC set but the problem is no deflection.
Steel and Magic
Hi raven,
I have the full profound preserver set on, 40K HP, and all r7 radiants. However, I can achieve only 1.5/1.6k regen.
How do you get to 2.8k? and, how much is the percentage of self-healing you get with 2.8K?
In addition I have waters of elazhad, skull PVP artifact
Ohhh and i use 2x greather rings of health on char too. 14,6%
Steel and Magic
And yes, in my opinion Regen (with decent HP) > Deflect, so I still see KC as a viable set in PvE.
Thank you Raven.
CRYPTIC I KNOW YOU HATE GF'S BUT WILL ASK THIS ONCE MORE:
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME RUNNNING SPEED AS THE GWF....
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME TAB ABILITY AS THE GWF...CC INMUNNE AND GOD EASY MODE HEALING UNSTOPABLE
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME WEAPON DAMAGE AS THE GWF 1000 (NOT 600)
-GIVE MY GF THE SAME HITTING SPEED AS THE GWF (EVEN WITH THE LITTLE SPEED BUFF IN UNSTOPABLE U GAVE TO GWF)
-GIVE MY GF A GOD **** REAL SHIELD , NOT A TISSUE PAPER LIKE UR GIVEN US. ONE THAT CAN SUSTAIN 100 HITS GOD DAMMIT!
-GIVE MY GF A INSTANT RAISE SHIELD, NOT A .5 SEC AFTER LIKE WE ARE NOW. INSTANT !!
AND YEAH AFTER ALL THAT.
WHEN U ARE ROLLING YOUR DEVS EXCURSIONS AND OPEN WORLD PVP ...U SHOULD PROBABLY RUN FROM US... AS PROBABLY
YOU ALWAYS USE YOUR VERY MUCH LOVED AND PREFERED CLASES... HR, TR, CW, GWF
AS THINGS ARE NOW... U DONT HAVE THE BALLS WE DO TO RUN A GF IN DWARVEN VALLEY.
WE DONT NEED THREAT. NOBODY CARES FOR THREAT. AND WERE NOT WANTED IN PVE. SO GIVE US THE ABOVE SO WE COULD DO BETTER AT PVPING.
ENOUGH SAID