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Epic encounters troll loot?

ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
edited June 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
So what exactly triggers you to get troll loot (25 raw black ice) from epic encounters?

I've shown up where the boss had at least 75% health left, did a ton of damage to him and still got troll loot. I've even show up to events where they were semi started, boss hadn't spawned yet, still did a ton of damage to everything and got the troll loot.

It seems to me they need to relax the restrictions a bit. If you need to be there before anything happens at all, it's a bit harsh. I think if you get there and participate in more than 50% of the event you should get credit.
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  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    /agreed

    This has happened to me a few times...seems like they should have a minimum reward on the Epic encounters. Getting 25 BI for smashing your way through one of these is a total let down.
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  • vorticanvortican Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 367 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yeah, it's pretty funny that I just walk by other heroic encounters, do nothing, and end up with black ice and an enchantment, but killing a **** remorhaz gets you 25 black ice. Somethin' needs fixin' there.
  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The other problem is that if this continues, no one will help out on these encounters. Basically if you don't get there before it starts no one will bother showing up.
  • silverquicksilverquick Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Honestly I haven't had this problem,

    I've walked in while the Rem is a good 25% health down and I've still gotten the 150 Black Ice reward.

    And that's as an MoF running all DoTs....

    ....NOT as a Burst Nuking Spellstorm.

    In fact I've never gotten anything that low on the Black Ice on the Rem.

    Perhaps it has to do with Gear related things? I am using a very high geared character.
  • klkcahboy90klkcahboy90 Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Oh, guess I'm not the only one.

    I always thought that there is some loot that drops from the body which I can't see since I never been there when it's at 100% hp.

    So far, all 3 times I went, I have gotten 25 raw black ice if I remember correctly.
  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'd rather call a troll loot that what we get from medium HEs. You get 75 BI plus some random green crafting resource/r4 enchantment/pot or rarely r5 or blue crafting resource for completing easy HE, and you get the same rewards for completing medium HE.
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  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I have gotten decent loot from those Epic encounters I have participated it .... but ... it is no better than the loot from the others, which makes it hard to justify participation except for the (low) chance of the epic gear drop. I just get R4/R5 enchants, some black ice and the occasional special green/blue black ice component.

    I do think it is unfair that if I just run past a HE without doing anything, I get at least 25 Black Ice when it finishes..I should at least have to do something, and be nearby when it ends. .If the HEs were changed like that, and the loot for the more difficult ones improved a bit, I would be happy.
    Hoping for improvements...
  • abaddon523abaddon523 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I've noticed that you get worse and worse loot the more people there are in the fight. I've been at the beginning of a Remorhaz fight and because 30 people showed up and nuked the boss I got 25 black ice. However, I've also gone at a mid-level Heroic encounter solo for the first half of the fight (dying several times) in the Dwarven Valley, three other people showed up halfway through and when it ended I got a Black Ice Orb.

    I think the trick to getting the best loot is being there from the beginning and doing most of the work.

    I think all of these people using the zone chat to invite two dozen people to the Epic Encounters is assuring that no one gets good loot.
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  • adinosiiadinosii Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    There is a rumour that people in parties get worse loot than people playing solo. Any truth to that ?
    Hoping for improvements...
  • helloz2helloz2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 205 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    adinosii wrote: »
    There is a rumour that people in parties get worse loot than people playing solo. Any truth to that ?

    I doubt so, think it's the "Great Success" thing which might be due to how fast you reach the encounter, but don't how it works after that in terms of DPS.
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  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    It could very well be related to how many people show up and how quickly the encounter boss gets taken out. Now that I recall, in all those 25 BI reward situations there were a LOT of people there.

    Either way, they need to fix it as it's not working well. It shouldn't be a race to see who gets there first. As long as someone participates, they should get credit. It shouldn't require doing at least x% of the bosses health in damage as that gets thrown off badly if 30+ people show up.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Can be a pain since if there are a lot of people they can nuke it fast. Though at times I've had alright (not complete trash) rewards when not arriving instantly. Someone said he got 3 hits on the boss and got gloves.
  • abaddon523abaddon523 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    Either way, they need to fix it as it's not working well. It shouldn't be a race to see who gets there first. As long as someone participates, they should get credit. It shouldn't require doing at least x% of the bosses health in damage as that gets thrown off badly if 30+ people show up.

    They have to have some kind of requirements, though. It wouldn't exactly be right if everyone who did anything at all in the fight got equal rewards. Then you'd just have people dropping in, throwing one attack at the boss, then riding away and letting everyone else do the work. That would be exceedingly cheesy and exploitable.
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  • silverquicksilverquick Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    OR... you could increase the frequency of the spawns so you don't have people saturating an instance the minute one pops, as it they would be all spread out across multiple instances... hence no need for everyone to go rushing to one instance just to spam the HE there as they could just stick to one instance and run HEs.

    It should be OBVIOUS at this point the HEs are the real favorites of IWD... not PvP... or even the quests.

    These are the things people are wanting to do most.

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  • abaddon523abaddon523 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'd definitely be on board with a higher spawn rate. What they should really do is increase the spawn rate AND synchronize the instances. All epic HE's appear in all maps simultaneously. That way there'd be no reason to hop from instance to instance trying to find one. It would also prevent giant mobs of people congregating at each HE.
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  • purp4purp4 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I solo'd a few 2/3 HE's and didnt get any more loot than if 20 of us hit them. I havn't solod the big ones yet but the little ones dont give any more the less attack it.
  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    abaddon523 wrote: »
    They have to have some kind of requirements, though. It wouldn't exactly be right if everyone who did anything at all in the fight got equal rewards. Then you'd just have people dropping in, throwing one attack at the boss, then riding away and letting everyone else do the work. That would be exceedingly cheesy and exploitable.

    The way it is right now, people who do work are getting shafted. However they are calculating it, it's just not working right. What if your a DC and mostly just healing and debuffing?

    But as others have pointed out the biggest issue is frequency and the fact that people have to swarm these. I suppose if they fix that issue then maybe whatever troll code they have in place *might* be ok.
  • elthiruilelthiruil Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    The way it is right now, people who do work are getting shafted. However they are calculating it, it's just not working right. What if your a DC and mostly just healing and debuffing?

    But as others have pointed out the biggest issue is frequency and the fact that people have to swarm these. I suppose if they fix that issue then maybe whatever troll code they have in place *might* be ok.

    Just so you know, my DC (High prophet set - 11.7k gs) got gloves other day, so it is possible, that is not my main however which is a CW and has done far many more encounters and gotten some epic items, but never one that is actually class related, once again its random, sometimes you are lucky, more times you are not.
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I think it's random. My HR got an epic weapon drop today from the beholder, despite dying twice and spending more time running back from the campfire than fighting, and spending more time dodging the wights than fighting anything. I hadn't even left the dwarf camp when the thing went down and I got my reward. Now the troll part is that she got a TR mace.
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  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The loot is random, but, when you get 25 raw black ice as the ONLY reward, you are getting the troll loot. They award that if you don't get "credit" for the event.
  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Depends on how big the party is. I've got 25 BI just for walking by a HE, but usually 35 (small) or 75 BI Large (if I actually do some damage). in one large party vs. the Beholder [on Preview] I died twice and still got the purple Sword. There were 15 or so attacking.
    adinosii wrote: »
    There is a rumour that people in parties get worse loot than people playing solo. Any truth to that ?
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    So what exactly triggers you to get troll loot (25 raw black ice) from epic encounters?

    I've shown up where the boss had at least 75% health left, did a ton of damage to him and still got troll loot. I've even show up to events where they were semi started, boss hadn't spawned yet, still did a ton of damage to everything and got the troll loot.

    It seems to me they need to relax the restrictions a bit. If you need to be there before anything happens at all, it's a bit harsh. I think if you get there and participate in more than 50% of the event you should get credit.

    This is why I simply run past a bunch of encounters and still get credit for each of them. A really great system, if you think about it.
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  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    On occasions I just run through an encounter while doing other stuff and get 25BI, other times I help kill a Remorhaz (holding a KC on it for as much as I can as well, thus removing a LOT of damage from 20+ people and taking more myself), but I still get 25BI :/
  • petratonpetraton Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    i wonder who inventid this stupid loot system for icewind pass,i killed remorhaz and raiders at least 15 times each ,and i did not get any epic loot,i'm beginning to hate the game,and i'm thinking to quit playing it,like this loot system i'll never get my black ice braces,someona allready has 3-4 i can not get even 1 .... realy lame.... moronic loot system,got even worst
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