You are missing the point. I'm not complaining about the number of boons we need to get, or the number of days it takes to grind them all. What I am complaining about is having to grind. Period. We didn't have to do that to get to Sharandar, and we didn't have to do that to get to Dread Ring. We just need to be level 60, and that's it. That's all it takes. Don't like Sharandar? Go to Dread Ring. Don't like Dread Ring? Go to Sharandar. So why on earth did they have such a ridiculous restriction for Icewind Dale? Why couldn't they just require a GS of 10k or something? Most of you seem to agree the restrictions is to make sure our characters are prepared, but isn't that what the GS is for? Epic Dungeons don't have a stupid boon requirement at all, and the only GS recommendation is just that. Recommendation. You can go to an epic with less GS than what's recommended, and you might be able to finish it anyway. Icewind Dale really should have been like that. I don't mind if it's tricky. The worst case scenario is I'll grab a few others and form a group. Or I'll go back to old content and find better gear.
If you all don't mind me asking, how many characters do you have in Icewind Dale? One? Five? If it's just one, consider taking another one there and see how fun the endless grinding is. And for that matter, what about new players? The whole "what did you do before it was launched?"-thing is irrelevant for new players. You can't assume everyone who ever will be lvl 60 is that level now. New players do show up, and they will be stuck grinding Dread Ring and Sharandar forever to get to the new content. The result is I'm pretty sure a lot of them won't bother.
But all in all, I've said several times that I'm would be ok with the boon requirements if they were account wide. That way I could grinding a bit with one character, then keep grinding with another one when she gets to 60. Get bored of that one? Take a third up to 60 and get the final boon. But three boons for five characters? If it "only" takes two weeks, that's still ten weeks of grinding the same content over and over and over. And if Icewind Dale is a hint of what's to come, that's what we are going to have to do to get to the next area after Icewind Dale. Might as well start to grind the hell out of every area and get all boons from all areas right away, so you are prepared for what's next after Icewind Dale. Sure you are all ok with that, right?
As I've said many times, what do you do if you have more than one character? Simply grinding for two weeks for each of your five or six characters? That's what people are saying, and that's only for the quickest three boons you can get. Want all five boons for both Sharandar and Dread Ring? Good luck with that. If you start with all five characters now, I guess we'll see you again around 2016 or something. Of course, by then we have more areas, which means even more grinding. Since when is it ok for MMORPGs to be reduced to endless grinding? How can anyone possibly say the actually enjoy it? And compared to all the fun we had before that? Heck, even when I reached lvl 60, I still had a lot of fun in the old content before I even went to Sharandar and Dread Ring.
As someone with six characters, all of whom can get to IWD, I think you're complaining for a whole lot of nothing.
It takes maybe ten minutes for me to do the DR dailies per character.
Even across six characters, some of whom are completely done with boons, that's still only an hour or play a day.
If managing an hour a day is that tough for you for 13 days, you probably don't have much time to game as it is.
And so the difficulty level of IWD would mean you'd never get to play it.
Because you're talking as though getting three boons is some massively time consuming obstacle.
If 10 minutes a day per character is a chore for you, you definitely don't have time to get the necessary gear.
Oh, and as an ending statement, I have all five boons on 3 of those characters.
And close to finishing the last three.
It took me maybe two months total.
You really like to heavily exaggerate, don't you?
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slaaneshihorrorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 88
So why lock out most of ghe players once they reach max level and don't want to grind?
Just an FYI, most level 60s can get in because most level 60s take a few minutes out of each day to do something easy for bonus stats.
Juuust saying, you're the minority here.
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slaaneshihorrorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 88
If they are really just trying to make sure people are prepared, GS seems like it's good enough and perhaps requiring the player to have completed some piece of difficult content.
The problem with this mentality is, GS can be purchased.
It's very easy for people to just buy their way into IWD if it was purely a GS requirement.
And for anyone who's run any dungeon, GS is not an end all.
Even with a 14k GS, IWD can prove challenging.
The Devs want to make sure people are actually playing some level of end game content so they have some manner of preparation for the more difficult mobs in IWD.
And as for requiring VT or MC, those are considerably harder than 3 boons.
That'd be a far more strict requirement than what is currently in place, which in all honestly is easy.
Have anyone mentioned that 6 celestial coin reward doesn't only give Sharandar chest but also Dread Ring chest? DR chest contain 30 Thayan scrolls and 3 cyphers.
Well, some people are really busy and it is a change from how the previous modules worked. I can understand how someone might be a little miffed. If someone has only a couple of times a week to play--and a lot of people do--then it could end up being months potentially.
They changed the dread ring relics so that it also drops a Thayan cipher. That means you can get 3 boons instantly. You can get those relics from lockboxes or the auctionhouse.
Now if you don't want to put any TIME or RESOURCES ($$$) into an MMO, then you have no more argument. You don't deserve anything.
The Devs want to make sure people are actually playing some level of end game content so they have some manner of preparation for the more difficult mobs in IWD.
The dailies in Sharandar and Dread Ring don't really do that though. They aren't particularly challenging--I guess part of the reason people wanted module 4 to be harder--so they really aren't preparing players for anything except perhaps for the format of the campaign system.
And as for requiring VT or MC, those are considerably harder than 3 boons.
That'd be a far more strict requirement than what is currently in place, which in all honestly is easy.
I agree and think they want new zones to be more accessible than that. But it's a better prerequisite for testing preparation and that's all I meant to do is to contrast it with the boons to show that the boons are no more effective than gearscore if that's their intent.
The dailies in Sharandar and Dread Ring don't really do that though. They aren't particularly challenging--I guess part of the reason people wanted module 4 to be harder--so they really aren't preparing players for anything except perhaps for the format of the campaign system.
I agree and think they want new zones to be more accessible than that. But it's a better prerequisite for testing preparation and that's all I meant to do is to contrast it with the boons to show that the boons are no more effective than gearscore if that's their intent.
Well generally people need to take time to get the 3 boons and so may at least get some experience. Getting 12k gs doesn't mean that you would've necessarily played any of the epic content.
Well generally people need to take time to get the 3 boons and so may at least get some experience. Getting 12k gs doesn't mean that you would've necessarily played any of the epic content.
In fact, you have enough Astral Diamond to just buy a 2pT1+2pT1 with just Leadership and a few Daily. It have cost me ~100k on the 250k I have at that moment. And I wasn't capping the 24k every day.
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A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
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*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Well generally people need to take time to get the 3 boons and so may at least get some experience. Getting 12k gs doesn't mean that you would've necessarily played any of the epic content.
But what does that experience amount to? The daily content from dread ring and sharandar is not appreciably different than the pve content we see on the way to 60. Even more so if they are buying gear to boost their gearscore. So I don't see the point if it's meant to be preparation for icewind dale.
A full hour of grinding the exact same content over and over for two whole weeks. And you are actually trying to tell me you are fine with it. Sigh... no wonder this game has gone down the drains lately. It's apparently more important to make fun of someone than telling the truth.
I would like to point out that I leveled a GWF for IWD just to get the artifact. In getting my 3 dread ring boons, I think only did all of the dailies on one or two days of that couple of weeks. I did the weekly quest and the daily instance each day and skipped the 3 other quests most of the time. So depending, you probably only need to spend 10-15 minutes each day if all you have is one character. With the campaign rewards you can get from invoking now, that should cut a few days off too.
I still understand why people might be miffed since it is a change to the module format and if they can't log in every day though. Overall, I don't think it's a huge deal just a moderate inconvience unless it's keeping you from playing with friends/family.
But what does that experience amount to? The daily content from dread ring and sharandar is not appreciably different than the pve content we see on the way to 60. Even more so if they are buying gear to boost their gearscore. So I don't see the point if it's meant to be some kind of preparation.
None, but hopefully people will actually spend that time to play and gain experience of the harder content by that point. Of course you can just buy your way into that too. But it means instead of being level 60 and buying your way in from day 1, you actually need to play for a few weeks to actually play level 60 content. Honestly I think it's a lax rule. I would've expect 3 of both boons or 5 of one. It's something every player can achieve easily while they get a feel for higher end stuff. You know those people that enter epic dread vault and castle never with almost the bare minimum gs? Yeah it's aiming to give those people a little more experience before they get completely owned.
It's something every player can achieve easily while they get a feel for higher end stuff. You know those people that enter epic dread vault and castle never with almost the bare minimum gs? Yeah it's aiming to give those people a little more experience before they get completely owned.
If it's aiming for that, I just think it's missing the target by quite a bit. Anyway, I can only reiterate what I said before and I understand what you're saying fine. We just disagree about the outcomes.
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It takes maybe ten minutes for me to do the DR dailies per character.
Even across six characters, some of whom are completely done with boons, that's still only an hour or play a day.
If managing an hour a day is that tough for you for 13 days, you probably don't have much time to game as it is.
And so the difficulty level of IWD would mean you'd never get to play it.
Because you're talking as though getting three boons is some massively time consuming obstacle.
If 10 minutes a day per character is a chore for you, you definitely don't have time to get the necessary gear.
Oh, and as an ending statement, I have all five boons on 3 of those characters.
And close to finishing the last three.
It took me maybe two months total.
You really like to heavily exaggerate, don't you?
Just an FYI, most level 60s can get in because most level 60s take a few minutes out of each day to do something easy for bonus stats.
Juuust saying, you're the minority here.
It's very easy for people to just buy their way into IWD if it was purely a GS requirement.
And for anyone who's run any dungeon, GS is not an end all.
Even with a 14k GS, IWD can prove challenging.
The Devs want to make sure people are actually playing some level of end game content so they have some manner of preparation for the more difficult mobs in IWD.
And as for requiring VT or MC, those are considerably harder than 3 boons.
That'd be a far more strict requirement than what is currently in place, which in all honestly is easy.
They changed the dread ring relics so that it also drops a Thayan cipher. That means you can get 3 boons instantly. You can get those relics from lockboxes or the auctionhouse.
Now if you don't want to put any TIME or RESOURCES ($$$) into an MMO, then you have no more argument. You don't deserve anything.
The dailies in Sharandar and Dread Ring don't really do that though. They aren't particularly challenging--I guess part of the reason people wanted module 4 to be harder--so they really aren't preparing players for anything except perhaps for the format of the campaign system.
I agree and think they want new zones to be more accessible than that. But it's a better prerequisite for testing preparation and that's all I meant to do is to contrast it with the boons to show that the boons are no more effective than gearscore if that's their intent.
Well generally people need to take time to get the 3 boons and so may at least get some experience. Getting 12k gs doesn't mean that you would've necessarily played any of the epic content.
In fact, you have enough Astral Diamond to just buy a 2pT1+2pT1 with just Leadership and a few Daily. It have cost me ~100k on the 250k I have at that moment. And I wasn't capping the 24k every day.
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
But what does that experience amount to? The daily content from dread ring and sharandar is not appreciably different than the pve content we see on the way to 60. Even more so if they are buying gear to boost their gearscore. So I don't see the point if it's meant to be preparation for icewind dale.
I would like to point out that I leveled a GWF for IWD just to get the artifact. In getting my 3 dread ring boons, I think only did all of the dailies on one or two days of that couple of weeks. I did the weekly quest and the daily instance each day and skipped the 3 other quests most of the time. So depending, you probably only need to spend 10-15 minutes each day if all you have is one character. With the campaign rewards you can get from invoking now, that should cut a few days off too.
I still understand why people might be miffed since it is a change to the module format and if they can't log in every day though. Overall, I don't think it's a huge deal just a moderate inconvience unless it's keeping you from playing with friends/family.
None, but hopefully people will actually spend that time to play and gain experience of the harder content by that point. Of course you can just buy your way into that too. But it means instead of being level 60 and buying your way in from day 1, you actually need to play for a few weeks to actually play level 60 content. Honestly I think it's a lax rule. I would've expect 3 of both boons or 5 of one. It's something every player can achieve easily while they get a feel for higher end stuff. You know those people that enter epic dread vault and castle never with almost the bare minimum gs? Yeah it's aiming to give those people a little more experience before they get completely owned.
If it's aiming for that, I just think it's missing the target by quite a bit. Anyway, I can only reiterate what I said before and I understand what you're saying fine. We just disagree about the outcomes.