"pollute" you say? *lol* What a cute insult and so much hate. Yes, I buy ZEN and thereby help the maker to run this game and so their families can put food on their tables, son. The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.
Push the Need button!
Supporting the game by putting in real money does not entitle you to be a toxicant to the game.
But then again, there are a lot of toxic players like you who haven't put in a dime so I guess you aren't the worst.
Supporting the game by putting in real money does not entitle you to be a toxicant to the game.
But then again, there are a lot of toxic players like you who haven't put in a dime so I guess you aren't the worst.
*lol*
So much hate, spite and insult. These are all symptoms of your greed. I am guessing you just cannot see yourself. You must be turning green and blue behind your keyboard. Hilarious! And all because you refuse to press Need when really you should. It is almost unbelievable.
No. You want to talk people into giving up on items so that you can have them instead. And you want to render everyone as bad who disagrees with you. If anyone is poisoning anything here then it is you with your spite.
You could just buy the items you need for your other classes on the market, but you want them for free. I am guessing most of the Greed runners don't buy ZEN either. You want it all for free and others have to give it up so you can have it. You are like the beggars and bums of the Internet... Cryptic should implemented a tax so that they can give in-game welfare to terrible gamers. *lol*
Hell, it is just a game and not even real life. And yet you whine about dice rolls as if your actual life depended on it. It is mind boggling. Just press Need when you see a good item. Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ...
If it's just a game, then, I suggest you consider passing on every loot. Eh, it's just a game, right?
Proud to act like a jerk and not being trustworthy. Poor humanity.
fgrey spear words
"If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need and say "Sorry, oops, wrong button". I will apologize further and deeply and all the nerds will forgive me."
"Hell, it is just a game and not even real life. And yet you whine about dice rolls as if your actual life depended on it. It is mind boggling. Just press Need when you see a good item. Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... "
"pollute" you say? *lol* What a cute insult and so much hate. Yes, I buy ZEN and thereby help the maker to run this game and so their families can put food on their tables, son. The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.
Push the Need button! "
"So much hate, spite and insult. These are all symptoms of your greed"
^^^^
Well Fgrey....You admitted by your self that you are :
1)A liar ( "If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need")
2)An even bigger hypocrite ( "I will apologize further and deeply and all the NERDS will forgive me.")
3)A liar again ("Hell, it is just a game ").If that's just a game for you why you are so greedy for some items?Why you refuse the other players chance to play even at odds ?
4)A person not knowing himself. (" Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... ").You accuse others of Greed yet you do not see the paradox you are full of greed to steal a virtual item in a casual MMO.What you do in your real life then? lol.We can imagine how you behave.
5)A person that has a hate for other people even when he does not know them ("The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.")
First of all this is a f2p game for whoever wants to stay low mid geared.Who are you to dictate how them to play?or pay?That's none of your business.Suckers??What the guys did to you?When i see a guy riding a normal horse and doing his best to improve his toon,dyed armor etc i sympathize.He roleplay his toon,while not damaging anyone.Who r u to judge him??
many players are from Eastern Europe and the economy there is not going well.may be they are unemployed or their families having financial problems.And thier guys mental escape is NW...Why such hostility?What these guys did to you/?
Why so grudge/hate?
You use the word "son" too many times.that means it is the word you hear often cause is how they call you.So I ll give you an advise as a little bit older.Don't be so rude and arrogant.maybe God or Gods don't exist but Fate exists and she is a cruel biiitch .
You might end in their shoes but while they are used to little things you as a credit card boy of your dad ,you are not ready to take the hit.... I say friendly all these with good heart.reconsider your attitude you will always be miserable :P
And i know how you ll rspond already :"spare me your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ,etc".i say in advance that i do not give a dime about your future insults.Say whatever you want.Who cares about a self confessed lier ,elitist and arrogant anyway .
You can wait and watch others roll before you make your roll. Sometimes in a pug run, nothing is even said until after someone needs on an item.
If you see others rolling greed follow the flow, if you see everyone rolling need, follow the flow.
I believe the one who is lead can set the dynamics of the loot rolls anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Life is full of drains, I prefer to be a fountain
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I find this need or greed system rather annoying.
I started doing dungeons lately and as the party often say "everything greed ppl" I choose every single time "greed". I have the strong feeling that I am being very naive by choosing this 'greed' every time because I almost dont get any item at all (never ever I got an epic one, only once or twice I got a worthless item) while the rest of the party are getting lots of good items. I suspect other members of the party are choosing 'need'. I dont really mind if I dont get a blue item but I do mind when they are epic.
My question is: how do I know when people are choosing 'need' or 'greed'? and am I being really naive?
. . . The best course is to just ask the group. You can set up a channel to only output Loot, and then when you wonder what everyone is rolling, you can quickly check your "Loot" tab. My best piece of advice though, is to find a guild that meets your activity needs for running Delves, for most likely, they will have a set of Looting Rules to follow in guild runs.
. . . Our guild has fair loot rules when we do guild delves and group adventures. What we do is all Enchants, Runes, Marks, Refining Stones, and all crafting reagents and components everyone always rolls Need on these, as we all need them. For everything else, it's a matter of whether your character in the group could use it as an upgrade, if so, they roll Need. If not, they roll Greed or Pass. Even though I know very well that many do not roll like this in PUGs, I still keep to our Guild looting when in a Pug and no loot rules have been mentioned prior. However, if I notice someone rolling need on everything, I will then too in such a Pug group.
fgrey spear words
"If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need and say "Sorry, oops, wrong button". I will apologize further and deeply and all the nerds will forgive me."
"Hell, it is just a game and not even real life. And yet you whine about dice rolls as if your actual life depended on it. It is mind boggling. Just press Need when you see a good item. Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... "
"pollute" you say? *lol* What a cute insult and so much hate. Yes, I buy ZEN and thereby help the maker to run this game and so their families can put food on their tables, son. The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.
Push the Need button! "
"So much hate, spite and insult. These are all symptoms of your greed"
^^^^
Well Fgrey....You admitted by your self that you are :
1)A liar ( "If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need")
2)An even bigger hypocrite ( "I will apologize further and deeply and all the NERDS will forgive me.")
3)A liar again ("Hell, it is just a game ").If that's just a game for you why you are so greedy for some items?Why you refuse the other players chance to play even at odds ?
4)A person not knowing himself. (" Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... ").You accuse others of Greed yet you do not see the paradox you are full of greed to steal a virtual item in a casual MMO.What you do in your real life then? lol.We can imagine how you behave.
5)A person that has a hate for other people even when he does not know them ("The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.")
First of all this is a f2p game for whoever wants to stay low mid geared.Who are you to dictate how them to play?or pay?That's none of your business.Suckers??What the guys did to you?When i see a guy riding a normal horse and doing his best to improve his toon,dyed armor etc i sympathize.He roleplay his toon,while not damaging anyone.Who r u to judge him??
many players are from Eastern Europe and the economy there is not going well.may be they are unemployed or their families having financial problems.And thier guys mental escape is NW...Why such hostility?What these guys did to you/?
Why so grudge/hate?
You use the word "son" too many times.that means it is the word you hear often cause is how they call you.So I ll give you an advise as a little bit older.Don't be so rude and arrogant.maybe God or Gods don't exist but Fate exists and she is a cruel biiitch .
You might end in their shoes but while they are used to little things you as a credit card boy of your dad ,you are not ready to take the hit.... I say friendly all these with good heart.reconsider your attitude you will always be miserable :P
And i know how you ll rspond already :"spare me your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ,etc".i say in advance that i do not give a dime about your future insults.Say whatever you want.Who cares about a self confessed lier ,elitist and arrogant anyway .
Cheers!!!
Reading all those responses in succession...... wow just wow
Unfortunately it is naïve if you run dungeons with people you don't know irl or in a guild because it will happen so often in "greed" runs that people will chose "need" regardless.
Ask at the start of the dungeon, it can be anything. Greed on purples and need on enchants, all need, all greed. Very often, the guy who created the party will say what it is in his LFM. "LF4M Karr greed", "Trying to get my T2 gear, LFM to help me" and so on.
1)A liar ( "If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need")
2)An even bigger hypocrite ( "I will apologize further and deeply and all the NERDS will forgive me.")
3)A liar again ("Hell, it is just a game ").If that's just a game for you why you are so greedy for some items?Why you refuse the other players chance to play even at odds ?
4)A person not knowing himself. (" Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... ").You accuse others of Greed yet you do not see the paradox you are full of greed to steal a virtual item in a casual MMO.What you do in your real life then? lol.We can imagine how you behave.
5)A person that has a hate for other people even when he does not know them ("The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.")
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Now guess why I am doing this! I am doing it on purpose. I am doing it because you do it to me and others out of greed. You kick people when you do not like how they play their game.
I am giving you back what you give to others. You deserve to be treated like you treat others, and not better. You haven't even realized that half or a third of the people don't even speak English. You then call them the "Polish Legion" and what not. You say they pollute your game. You are not just simply naive, you are dumb.
I do not hate you. I fight you. And that I openly admit that I screw you does not make me a liar. I am being honest here. It is what you get for being greedy, prejudice and condescending.
Never do a greed only run. Until that loot method can be locked and controlled by the whole party, then you are being gullable. I never do greed runs. I would say, that until everyone in the party can "lock" everyone's choices at the onset, trusting anyone to not hit need is stupid.
However, I work with criminals so take it as you will. I rely on people being greedy, selfish, immature and willing to kill you...and yet I am still liberal. I make no sense
Now guess why I am doing this! I am doing it on purpose. I am doing it because you do it to me and others out of greed. You kick people when you do not like how they play their game.
I am giving you back what you give to others. You deserve to be treated like you treat others, and not better. You haven't even realized that half or a third of the people don't even speak English. You then call them the "Polish Legion" and what not. You say they pollute your game. You are not just simply naive, you are dumb.
I do not hate you. I fight you. And that I openly admit that I screw you does not make me a liar. I am being honest here. It is what you get for being greedy, prejudice and condescending.
Man, you are pathetic. If you agree with your party to go "greed" and then you click "need" what does it make you? You got some real life problems kiddo.
Man, every time I read a thread like this, I realise how incredibly awesome the legit channel is.
Start group, say "greed on everything?" and everyone does exactly that. If it's a gearing up run, it's not uncommon to revise this to "greed on everything unless you actually need it, in which case happy for you to need" because god knows we've all been there waiting for a particular drop, and for BoP stuff like VT/MC offhands, I really really don't want to accidentally end up greeding some piece of unusable salvage fodder (to me) that is the offhand someone's been hunting for forever.
It's really not hard to just not hit need (plus greeding all, including enchants, means you avoid any accidents: shift+2 for all the things, no chance of accidental need).
As for the fgreyspear approach, it's essentially the prisoner's dilemma, writ large. A crappy approach like "I'll agree to greed, then hit need, take my loot, and laugh all the way to the bank" only works as long as you're the only person doing it. And if you keep doing it, you won't be, because everyone will start doing it and you're right back to the same situation you would've been in with all greed, except you're probably on significantly more ignore lists.
Man, you are pathetic. If you agree with your party to go "greed" and then you click "need" what does it make you? You got some real life problems kiddo.
Cry some more until you are all cried out. Then come back and we can play, but babies need to cry.
Half of them time I see a vote kick come up the players do not even give a reason, but only write "asdf". You think this is going to make anybody care? All that rage and crying makes me laugh. I enjoy seeing you suffer.
As for the fgreyspear approach, it's essentially the prisoner's dilemma, writ large. A crappy approach like "I'll agree to greed, then hit need, take my loot, and laugh all the way to the bank" only works as long as you're the only person doing it. And if you keep doing it, you won't be, because everyone will start doing it and you're right back to the same situation you would've been in with all greed, except you're probably on significantly more ignore lists.
There is no problem when everybody presses Need. It is how the game was designed. The game makers do not actually want you to share every item with everyone, which is also why so much these days in games is bound to either account or character.
My ignore list is empty. Why should I care for what other people ignore? If they ignore me, because they cannot handle me then that is just right. It stops them from giving dumb responses to me. I do not need to answer all their dumb request. Everybody wins.
CW and GWF items are high value, a CW item drops. You are not a CW but the (BiS geared) CW in your party needs on every purple CW drop so he can go sell them, while everyone else cannot need on the items at all.
Rich classes get richer, poor classes get poorer, EVERYONE IS HAPPY????
Or you could greed on all, because that's what you all agreed to do at the outset.
CW and GWF items are high value, a CW item drops. You are not a CW but the (BiS geared) CW in your party needs on every purple CW drop so he can go sell them, while everyone else cannot need on the items at all.
Rich classes get richer, poor classes get poorer, EVERYONE IS HAPPY????
Or you could greed on all, because that's what you all agreed to do at the outset.
*lol* So much greed...
So you go as far as demanding of others to press Greed, or threaten them with kicks, only so you can have it instead. And you think I am evil!?
Say, if a GWF or a CW has to pay a lot for their gear should they then not simply press Need when the item falls? And why should the other classes have as much AD when they have to pay less for their gear?
Seems like you are being greedy and jealous for no good reason.
As for the fgreyspear approach, it's essentially the prisoner's dilemma, writ large. A crappy approach like "I'll agree to greed, then hit need, take my loot, and laugh all the way to the bank" only works as long as you're the only person doing it. And if you keep doing it, you won't be, because everyone will start doing it and you're right back to the same situation you would've been in with all greed, except you're probably on significantly more ignore lists.
Yeah it truly is sad for people like him to continue doing such actions. Thankfully I have a guild and will never have to run into him in-game but it is a sad reality that people like him do exist
So you go as far as demanding of others to press Greed, or threaten them with kicks, only so you can have it instead. And you think I am evil!?
Say, if a GWF or a CW has to pay a lot for their gear should they then not simply press Need when the item falls? And why should the other classes have as much AD when they have to pay less for their gear?
Seems like you are being greedy and jealous for no good reason.
QUOTE BY ME, LIKE LESS THAN SIX POSTS EARLIER:
If it's a gearing up run, it's not uncommon to revise this to "greed on everything unless you actually need it, in which case happy for you to need" because god knows we've all been there waiting for a particular drop
Reading is fun?
If it's a run people are doing to get enchants and stuff to sell, then everyone greeding is absolutely the fairest and easiest way to amicably distribute drops. If it's a run people are doing to gear up, then establish this at the outset and then follow the above policy. It's much, much nicer for all involved.
If it's a run people are doing to get enchants and stuff to sell, then everyone greeding is absolutely the fairest and easiest way to amicably distribute drops. If it's a run people are doing to gear up, then establish this at the outset and then follow the above policy. It's much, much nicer for all involved.
Don't distract now with making excuses. You do not know if people are telling the truth or if they are lying to you when they say they need the item.
Let us get back to where you say you do not want a GWF or a CW to choose Need on an item... You want to have those expensive items to sell them for AD, right?
Who are you selling them to? You are selling them back to GWFs and CWs, because nobody else can use them, right?
And for what prices are you selling them? Are you selling them for as cheap as other classes or do you stay on the high prices to get rich by them?! I believe we all know the answers.
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So basically, to sum this up, do you demand of others to stop pressing Need, or threaten them with kicks and ignoring them, just so you can have it and then to sell it back to them for a high price.
You do not know if people are telling the truth or if they are lying to you when they say they need the item.
Well...a BiS-geared dude wearing full HV needing on an HV hat would tend to be a bit of a giveaway....but luckily in the legit channel there don't seem to be people like that, which is why legit is all kinds of awesome.
Let us get back to where you say you do not want a GWF or a CW to choose Need on an item... You want to have those expensive items to sell them for AD, right?
Which, on a greed run, is exactly what everyone wants them for. Which is why everyone is greeding, because it is not something they NEED. Selling drops you don't need for money is more or less the definition of greed.
How is this not clear? It's about as far from complicated maths as you can get.
So basically, to sum this up, do you demand of others to stop pressing Need, or threaten them with kicks and ignoring them, just so you can have it and then to sell it back to them for a high price.
You really do not see anything wrong by that?
I've never kicked anyone. I've never had to. It's incredibly simple:
Scenario A) Establish need/greed conditions before dungeon starts, stick to need/greed conditions established, everyone leaves happy.
Scenario Establish need/greed conditions before dungeon starts, one dude ninjaloots a purp, 80% of the party leave annoyed.
Scenario A is overwhelmingly better. And that's just for one run. Multiply scenario A by several runs and you'll be getting boss drops 20% of the time. Multiply scenario B by several runs and you'll stop being invited to any runs ever (except pugs).
Never do a greed only run. Until that loot method can be locked and controlled by the whole party, then you are being gullable. I never do greed runs. I would say, that until everyone in the party can "lock" everyone's choices at the onset, trusting anyone to not hit need is stupid.
However, I work with criminals so take it as you will. I rely on people being greedy, selfish, immature and willing to kill you...and yet I am still liberal. I make no sense
I *only* do "greed only" runs, and I have only once had a person roll need on an item maliciously. I have seen a couple people accidentally roll need, and I believe them when they said it was an accident because they immediately gave the item to the team lead to distribute as he saw fit.
I know that there are liars and thieves out there, but I have been lucky in my groups. Part of that is using NW_Legit_Community which I have found leads to a larger number of pleasant runs than the regular LFG tool.
So people who want loot distributed fairly to all with no regard for class = greedy.
People who lie and deceive to get as much loot for themselves as possible = not greedy.
oooooookay.
It is not fair when you bully players into adhering a scheme where they have to give up a privilege, one that each class has got and thereby is fair, and for the sole purpose to sell it back to them for AD.
You at least need to look at what others vote in chat, really. Here's an annoying situation that happened to me a while ago, with some random people party.
We all agree on greed all epics. At malabog we get a nice drop (witch everyone can need). Guy 1 needs. After a few seconds, guys 2,3 and 4 greed. So I'm the last and of course I choose need since I'm not an idiot.
I win, guys 2,3 and 4 go crazy, start insulting (me not guy1) and before I get any change to explain I get kicked. Of course I got the drop, but still this situation can be extremely annoying.
So really, you need to look at what others choose, It won't usually help unless you vote last, but well, it's something.
I believe a partial solution to the looting system can be the possibility to confirm your choice, after everyone voted. If you don't, all votes are invalid and everyone must vote again. Something similar to the trade system where you can see what you trade and confirm. Problem is this would be annoying for some people, so it would need to be implemented with other options that let the party leader restrict this possibility to only some kinds of items. Of course the leader shouldn't be able to change this options after the dungeon started, and the number of times a vote can be invalid must be limited.
I am not going to believe you. Maybe you never initiated a vote kick, but I am sure you have voted Yes in some cases.
I know I have. I have kicked players for being disconnected for too long. I bet many of us have done this and very few see anything wrong with this.
I have kicked players for being afk for too long and not saying a word on the chat while we were waiting in the gathering ring until we all had enough of the afk player.
I have kicked a player after we decided to go with a strategy and the one player, who did talk English, but failed three times to do what he agreed to do. He then did not leave and the only way we thought we could finish the dungeon was to kick him. I admit that in this case I felt actually bad about it, we also did not finish the dungeon in the end, because we were all pretty bad, and that we should have kept trying until everyone leaves on their own account.
I also once clicked Yes on a vote where someone gave "asdf" as a reason. I did it, because the voting prompt came in the middle of a fight and it got into my face. I also did not think what it meant, because I was too busy. I had no idea why the vote was raised and I did not want to deal with it so I voted Yes. I did not expect the vote to succeed, but it did. That, too, was wrong of me.
However, most of the time do I click on No. I even had cases where after I voted against the kick I then got kicked.
So, no, I am not going to believe you when you say that you have never kicked anyone. Unless perhaps you have started playing Neverwinter just yesterday...
Yea as a side note, the kick system is something that needs a re-work even before the looting one. But it's hard to do a good one, and without one there are other problems. If you remember people on forum did ask a lot for a kicking system, it was a nice idea and no one thought at the consequences at the time.
It is not fair when you bully players into adhering a scheme where they have to give up a privilege, one that each class has got and thereby is fair, and for the sole purpose to sell it back to them for AD.
No one is bullying. You don't want to abide to the group rules of a greed run then don't agree to run a dungeon with people who are doing a greed run. Pretty simple.
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Supporting the game by putting in real money does not entitle you to be a toxicant to the game.
But then again, there are a lot of toxic players like you who haven't put in a dime so I guess you aren't the worst.
So much hate, spite and insult. These are all symptoms of your greed. I am guessing you just cannot see yourself. You must be turning green and blue behind your keyboard. Hilarious! And all because you refuse to press Need when really you should. It is almost unbelievable.
If it's just a game, then, I suggest you consider passing on every loot. Eh, it's just a game, right?
Proud to act like a jerk and not being trustworthy. Poor humanity.
"If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need and say "Sorry, oops, wrong button". I will apologize further and deeply and all the nerds will forgive me."
"Hell, it is just a game and not even real life. And yet you whine about dice rolls as if your actual life depended on it. It is mind boggling. Just press Need when you see a good item. Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... "
"pollute" you say? *lol* What a cute insult and so much hate. Yes, I buy ZEN and thereby help the maker to run this game and so their families can put food on their tables, son. The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.
Push the Need button! "
"So much hate, spite and insult. These are all symptoms of your greed"
^^^^
Well Fgrey....You admitted by your self that you are :
1)A liar ( "If all agree then I agree. When then a valuable item drops will I still press Need")
2)An even bigger hypocrite ( "I will apologize further and deeply and all the NERDS will forgive me.")
3)A liar again ("Hell, it is just a game ").If that's just a game for you why you are so greedy for some items?Why you refuse the other players chance to play even at odds ?
4)A person not knowing himself. (" Either because you need it, or perhaps you do not even know you need and just want it! Just do it ... ").You accuse others of Greed yet you do not see the paradox you are full of greed to steal a virtual item in a casual MMO.What you do in your real life then? lol.We can imagine how you behave.
5)A person that has a hate for other people even when he does not know them ("The F2P suckers are just a part of the decoration. We - the paying players - do not mind having them around, but by God we would be stupid if we also allowed them to dictate how we play the game.")
First of all this is a f2p game for whoever wants to stay low mid geared.Who are you to dictate how them to play?or pay?That's none of your business.Suckers??What the guys did to you?When i see a guy riding a normal horse and doing his best to improve his toon,dyed armor etc
many players are from Eastern Europe and the economy there is not going well.may be they are unemployed or their families having financial problems.And thier guys mental escape is NW...Why such hostility?What these guys did to you/?
Why so grudge/hate?
You use the word "son" too many times.that means it is the word you hear often cause is how they call you.So I ll give you an advise as a little bit older.Don't be so rude and arrogant.maybe God or Gods don't exist but Fate exists and she is a cruel biiitch
You might end in their shoes but while they are used to little things you as a credit card boy of your dad ,you are not ready to take the hit.... I say friendly all these with good heart.reconsider your attitude you will always be miserable :P
And i know how you ll rspond already :"spare me your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ,etc".i say in advance that i do not give a dime about your future insults.Say whatever you want.Who cares about a self confessed lier ,elitist and arrogant anyway
Cheers!!!
If you see others rolling greed follow the flow, if you see everyone rolling need, follow the flow.
I believe the one who is lead can set the dynamics of the loot rolls anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.
. . . Our guild has fair loot rules when we do guild delves and group adventures. What we do is all Enchants, Runes, Marks, Refining Stones, and all crafting reagents and components everyone always rolls Need on these, as we all need them. For everything else, it's a matter of whether your character in the group could use it as an upgrade, if so, they roll Need. If not, they roll Greed or Pass. Even though I know very well that many do not roll like this in PUGs, I still keep to our Guild looting when in a Pug and no loot rules have been mentioned prior. However, if I notice someone rolling need on everything, I will then too in such a Pug group.
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Reading all those responses in succession...... wow just wow
And he's proud of it too
I am giving you back what you give to others. You deserve to be treated like you treat others, and not better. You haven't even realized that half or a third of the people don't even speak English. You then call them the "Polish Legion" and what not. You say they pollute your game. You are not just simply naive, you are dumb.
I do not hate you. I fight you. And that I openly admit that I screw you does not make me a liar. I am being honest here. It is what you get for being greedy, prejudice and condescending.
However, I work with criminals so take it as you will. I rely on people being greedy, selfish, immature and willing to kill you...and yet I am still liberal. I make no sense
Man, you are pathetic. If you agree with your party to go "greed" and then you click "need" what does it make you? You got some real life problems kiddo.
Start group, say "greed on everything?" and everyone does exactly that. If it's a gearing up run, it's not uncommon to revise this to "greed on everything unless you actually need it, in which case happy for you to need" because god knows we've all been there waiting for a particular drop, and for BoP stuff like VT/MC offhands, I really really don't want to accidentally end up greeding some piece of unusable salvage fodder (to me) that is the offhand someone's been hunting for forever.
It's really not hard to just not hit need (plus greeding all, including enchants, means you avoid any accidents: shift+2 for all the things, no chance of accidental need).
As for the fgreyspear approach, it's essentially the prisoner's dilemma, writ large. A crappy approach like "I'll agree to greed, then hit need, take my loot, and laugh all the way to the bank" only works as long as you're the only person doing it. And if you keep doing it, you won't be, because everyone will start doing it and you're right back to the same situation you would've been in with all greed, except you're probably on significantly more ignore lists.
Half of them time I see a vote kick come up the players do not even give a reason, but only write "asdf". You think this is going to make anybody care? All that rage and crying makes me laugh. I enjoy seeing you suffer.
My ignore list is empty. Why should I care for what other people ignore? If they ignore me, because they cannot handle me then that is just right. It stops them from giving dumb responses to me. I do not need to answer all their dumb request. Everybody wins.
CW and GWF items are high value, a CW item drops. You are not a CW but the (BiS geared) CW in your party needs on every purple CW drop so he can go sell them, while everyone else cannot need on the items at all.
Rich classes get richer, poor classes get poorer, EVERYONE IS HAPPY????
Or you could greed on all, because that's what you all agreed to do at the outset.
So you go as far as demanding of others to press Greed, or threaten them with kicks, only so you can have it instead. And you think I am evil!?
Say, if a GWF or a CW has to pay a lot for their gear should they then not simply press Need when the item falls? And why should the other classes have as much AD when they have to pay less for their gear?
Seems like you are being greedy and jealous for no good reason.
Yeah it truly is sad for people like him to continue doing such actions. Thankfully I have a guild and will never have to run into him in-game but it is a sad reality that people like him do exist
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Reading is fun?
If it's a run people are doing to get enchants and stuff to sell, then everyone greeding is absolutely the fairest and easiest way to amicably distribute drops. If it's a run people are doing to gear up, then establish this at the outset and then follow the above policy. It's much, much nicer for all involved.
Let us get back to where you say you do not want a GWF or a CW to choose Need on an item... You want to have those expensive items to sell them for AD, right?
Who are you selling them to? You are selling them back to GWFs and CWs, because nobody else can use them, right?
And for what prices are you selling them? Are you selling them for as cheap as other classes or do you stay on the high prices to get rich by them?! I believe we all know the answers.
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So basically, to sum this up, do you demand of others to stop pressing Need, or threaten them with kicks and ignoring them, just so you can have it and then to sell it back to them for a high price.
You really do not see anything wrong by that?
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So people who want loot distributed fairly to all with no regard for class = greedy.
People who lie and deceive to get as much loot for themselves as possible = not greedy.
oooooookay.
Well...a BiS-geared dude wearing full HV needing on an HV hat would tend to be a bit of a giveaway....but luckily in the legit channel there don't seem to be people like that, which is why legit is all kinds of awesome.
Which, on a greed run, is exactly what everyone wants them for. Which is why everyone is greeding, because it is not something they NEED. Selling drops you don't need for money is more or less the definition of greed.
How is this not clear? It's about as far from complicated maths as you can get.
I've never kicked anyone. I've never had to. It's incredibly simple:
Scenario A) Establish need/greed conditions before dungeon starts, stick to need/greed conditions established, everyone leaves happy.
Scenario
Scenario A is overwhelmingly better. And that's just for one run. Multiply scenario A by several runs and you'll be getting boss drops 20% of the time. Multiply scenario B by several runs and you'll stop being invited to any runs ever (except pugs).
I *only* do "greed only" runs, and I have only once had a person roll need on an item maliciously. I have seen a couple people accidentally roll need, and I believe them when they said it was an accident because they immediately gave the item to the team lead to distribute as he saw fit.
I know that there are liars and thieves out there, but I have been lucky in my groups. Part of that is using NW_Legit_Community which I have found leads to a larger number of pleasant runs than the regular LFG tool.
We all agree on greed all epics. At malabog we get a nice drop (witch everyone can need). Guy 1 needs. After a few seconds, guys 2,3 and 4 greed. So I'm the last and of course I choose need since I'm not an idiot.
I win, guys 2,3 and 4 go crazy, start insulting (me not guy1) and before I get any change to explain I get kicked. Of course I got the drop, but still this situation can be extremely annoying.
So really, you need to look at what others choose, It won't usually help unless you vote last, but well, it's something.
I believe a partial solution to the looting system can be the possibility to confirm your choice, after everyone voted. If you don't, all votes are invalid and everyone must vote again. Something similar to the trade system where you can see what you trade and confirm. Problem is this would be annoying for some people, so it would need to be implemented with other options that let the party leader restrict this possibility to only some kinds of items. Of course the leader shouldn't be able to change this options after the dungeon started, and the number of times a vote can be invalid must be limited.
I know I have. I have kicked players for being disconnected for too long. I bet many of us have done this and very few see anything wrong with this.
I have kicked players for being afk for too long and not saying a word on the chat while we were waiting in the gathering ring until we all had enough of the afk player.
I have kicked a player after we decided to go with a strategy and the one player, who did talk English, but failed three times to do what he agreed to do. He then did not leave and the only way we thought we could finish the dungeon was to kick him. I admit that in this case I felt actually bad about it, we also did not finish the dungeon in the end, because we were all pretty bad, and that we should have kept trying until everyone leaves on their own account.
I also once clicked Yes on a vote where someone gave "asdf" as a reason. I did it, because the voting prompt came in the middle of a fight and it got into my face. I also did not think what it meant, because I was too busy. I had no idea why the vote was raised and I did not want to deal with it so I voted Yes. I did not expect the vote to succeed, but it did. That, too, was wrong of me.
However, most of the time do I click on No. I even had cases where after I voted against the kick I then got kicked.
So, no, I am not going to believe you when you say that you have never kicked anyone. Unless perhaps you have started playing Neverwinter just yesterday...
No one is bullying. You don't want to abide to the group rules of a greed run then don't agree to run a dungeon with people who are doing a greed run. Pretty simple.