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midan79

Hi everyone, as first character I created a gwf, arrived at 60 starting to make pvp and saw gia istance of the absurd differences in dps between gwf against rogue or mage and even in pvp, but I thought it was a matter of worn objects, once done the equip I realized that the difference between the characters and really high, from dps to strengthand to enable of dodges, even a tank with shielded leaves me in 5 seconds I lose ground against rogue physically for a 1 gwf and physically humiliating would be the strongest of all, you can't get mage,
game creators clearly speak and you who tested the characters do 1vs1 with gwf against other characters with the same equipment and you will see that there is an abyss, I have perhaps I am wrong, it could be a game for wizards, thieves and healer.

Fortunately, and it's free.

warpet

gwf single target dps is the worst in game and u can notice this in pvp where gf,tr,cw kill u in few sec while u cant them sure strike is just to weak it needs huge buff at least 200-300 more damage

mbllanes199

In order to kill 8-11kgs other toon, you have to be 13-14kgs. Welcome to the world of GWF where killing low GS players means your OP, and you as a same GS 8-11kgs would not have a chance to kill equal GS other toons. YOU are just slightly better than those bots around. LOL

keltz0r

Im not sure if i understood your post but if you want to play gwf in pvp only viable spec is super tanky with low dps, 1,3k+ regen 40k hp... if you know how to play it its extremely hard to kill 1v1 and in pugs will probably take 3 or more to kill you.

revelske

The criticism sounds exaggerated for PvP environment. Unstoppable makes GWF by far the most durable of all classes in PvP and can happily tank an entire team for a good 15-30 secs. A GF can out-dps a GWF with Knight's Challenge + all encounters/daily, but that isn't consistent damage and Knight's Challenge is a double edged sword, plus GF can only rely on daily to deal with CCs, shield block is a joke for PvP at lvl.60.

bluedarky

revelske wrote: »

The criticism sounds exaggerated for PvP environment. Unstoppable makes GWF by far the most durable of all classes in PvP and can happily tank an entire team for a good 15-30 secs. A GF can out-dps a GWF with Knight's Challenge + all encounters/daily, but that isn't consistent damage and Knight's Challenge is a double edged sword, plus GF can only rely on daily to deal with CCs, shield block is a joke for PvP at lvl.60.

And this isn't even taking into account that the GWF is designed as an off-tank and to do large amounts of damage to groups of enemies, you're not going to compare to a Striker class like the TR in single target damage.

esteena

mbllanes199 wrote: »

In order to kill 8-11kgs other toon, you have to be 13-14kgs. Welcome to the world of GWF where killing low GS players means your OP, and you as a same GS 8-11kgs would not have a chance to kill equal GS other toons. YOU are just slightly better than those bots around. LOL

My GWF is 11k, i can kill your 14~15 k GS. 1 vs 1 and prove me wrong

mbllanes199

He is a new guy, so expect a crapy equipment form him. THe GWF you are trying to tell him are decently geared GWF which is not in his case as most other cases of gwf complaining in the forum, equal GS rating between other toons and you have a dead GWF. In order for GWF to be tanky enough to survive the initial onslausght is he have to be geared better which is impossilbe to do for new GWF unless they have other toons to equip the said gwf or bring out his plastic cards.

Hopefully with the new improvement on the coming patch for gwf things will change for this dead class, and don't tell me its not dead, the only people playing left as gwf are those already geared, those new players like the OP are being killed/massacred or whatever you call it.

esteena

mbllanes199 wrote: »

He is a new guy, so expect a crapy equipment form him. THe GWF you are trying to tell him are decently geared GWF which is not in his case as most other cases of gwf complaining in the forum, equal GS rating between other toons and you have a dead GWF. In order for GWF to be tanky enough to survive the initial onslausght is he have to be geared better which is impossilbe to do for new GWF unless they have other toons to equip the said gwf or bring out his plastic cards.

Hopefully with the new improvement on the coming patch for gwf things will change for this dead class, and don't tell me its not dead, the only people playing left as gwf are those already geared, those new players like the OP are being killed/massacred or whatever you call it.

GWFs are god likes in PvP, whether sentinels or not, they are very strong and durable.

GS rating for GWF is always higher than others, they can reach 13k~15k+ like GFs because of their massive HP combined with the "Toughness" feat.

So no, GWF got advantage when it comes to GS and he can easily beat equally geared classes due to their HP and the armor pen they get from CON. I have met alot of good GWFs who had Destroyer paragons and PvP gear and can dish out massive damage. The issue is many people stack power instead of armor pen at PvP, which makes them hit like wet noodles sometimes.

GWF is probably not your main .

mbllanes199

esteena wrote: »

GWFs are god likes in PvP, whether sentinels or not, they are very strong and durable.

GS rating for GWF is always higher than others, they can reach 13k~15k+ like GFs because of their massive HP combined with the "Toughness" feat.

So no, GWF got advantage when it comes to GS and he can easily beat equally geared classes due to their HP and the armor pen they get from CON. I have met alot of good GWFs who had Destroyer paragons and PvP gear and can dish out massive damage. The issue is many people stack power instead of armor pen at PvP, which makes them hit like wet noodles sometimes.

GWF is probably not your main .

Only Sentinel are durable and playable in PVP especially on pre-made, those Destroyers type you see owning are brandishing high enchants or GTE/Regen type or don't mind dying several times. LOL.

omuhao

midan79 wrote: »

Hi everyone, as first character I created a gwf, arrived at 60 starting to make pvp and saw gia istance of the absurd differences in dps between gwf against rogue or mage and even in pvp, but I thought it was a matter of worn objects, once done the equip I realized that the difference between the characters and really high, from dps to strengthand to enable of dodges, even a tank with shielded leaves me in 5 seconds I lose ground against rogue physically for a 1 gwf and physically humiliating would be the strongest of all, you can't get mage,
game creators clearly speak and you who tested the characters do 1vs1 with gwf against other characters with the same equipment and you will see that there is an abyss, I have perhaps I am wrong, it could be a game for wizards, thieves and healer.

Fortunately, and it's free.

THe bolded part makes this post a bit usless since he prolly isnt even near geared to pvp in the 60s as its his first char, and coz of posts like this some threads have the potency to become nerf threads which we have seen over nad over on the forums...
If you want to pvp read some guides on the forums and buy some blue gear you can get some cheap at the AH to be able to farm yourself the pvp out on the lvl60.

esteena

mbllanes199 wrote: »

Only Sentinel are durable and playable in PVP especially on pre-made, those Destroyers type you see owning are brandishing high enchants or GTE/Regen type or don't mind dying several times. LOL.

I clearly said : "Destroyers with PvP gear", the gear you get from GauntlGrym. That gear doesn't give regen, it is a bursty gear which gives so much offensive stats which makes you hit like a truck but vulnerable.

And i think the OP doesn't care about the pre mading, i'm talking from the PUG perspective. You can own with a GWF on PvP gear without slotting any GTENES. You just need armor pen .

Now i'm 100% sure that GWF isn't your main. You are the type of players who blame their failure on others equipment rather than on themselves. ^^ Have a good day.

jacksoon

A full destroyer can get oneshoted by almost all in pvp. You have to equipto him 2 titan set and 2 warlord/avatar or imposing scrapper for surive and do damage. So, don't tell GWF is hard to kill, is hard to kill only Sentinel build, because a destroyer can get easy killed even by a Dc. Almost all the skill of a GWF cab get easy dodge, since they have a very slow animation. Some of GF enc are almost impossible to dodge and left you prone for 2-3 sec, just the time for get proned again. If you wont to use the GWF for pvp, make a sentinel and stack all the hp, regen and life steal you can. Whit that, people will ingore you and you will easy get the base

esteena

jacksoon wrote: »

A full destroyer can get oneshoted by almost all in pvp.

lol

/10chars.

revelske

jacksoon wrote: »

Almost all the skill of a GWF cab get easy dodge, since they have a very slow animation. Some of GF enc are almost impossible to dodge and left you prone for 2-3 sec, just the time for get proned again. If you wont to use the GWF for pvp, make a sentinel and stack all the hp, regen and life steal you can. Whit that, people will ingore you and you will easy get the base

Only advantage GF gets in the "dodgeable encounter" argument is that Frontline Surge has decent range (mind you, GWF will have that too very soon ), that, however, does not mean they are undodgeable by any stretch of the imagination. Most skilled players know what range to expect GF to shoot their load from (even more so if they bust out Knight's Challenge) therefore allowing them to dodge effectively. Generally, people will immediate dodge away when a GWF runs into melee range of them, you can easily use this to bait out all 2-3 dodges before unloading your stuns and other encounters, GWF's dash allows them to do that with reasonable ease. When it comes to GF, Threatening Rush is their only real option for mobility, which works quite well, but not as reliable IMHO (especially if you don't have a very pretty latency, then it becomes rubberband heaven with Threatening Rush).

And unless my sense of time deceives me, I see no real casting time different between something like Bull's Rush/Frontline Surge and Takedown/Flourish.

gdante7111111

GWF and GF need to be buffed they are useless not only they need to be buffed, GF shield meter goes down to fast. And heroic and paragon feats for both need fixing. Some heroic and paragon feats for GWF and GF, dont work the way they are supposed to. Or dont do what it say, I keep telling the devs this but they are ignorant.

revelske

PvP is currently littered with bugs and imbalances, the fact that Cryptics hasn't addressed any of them at all is quite disconcerting but I'm expecting a huge PvP overhaul future down the line.

I personally find a skilled well-geared GWF to be the biggest threat and determining factor in a PvP match simply for the shear amount I-dont-give-a-**** they display with their huge unbreakable brass balls, but that's just my opinion.

warpet

jacksoon wrote: »

A full destroyer can get oneshoted by almost all in pvp. You have to equipto him 2 titan set and 2 warlord/avatar or imposing scrapper for surive and do damage. So, don't tell GWF is hard to kill, is hard to kill only Sentinel build, because a destroyer can get easy killed even by a Dc. Almost all the skill of a GWF cab get easy dodge, since they have a very slow animation. Some of GF enc are almost impossible to dodge and left you prone for 2-3 sec, just the time for get proned again. If you wont to use the GWF for pvp, make a sentinel and stack all the hp, regen and life steal you can. Whit that, people will ingore you and you will easy get the base

i agrre with this most of ppl ignore fact that pure dps geared gwf have 20k hp and some 30%-35% resist even tab cant save us we are dead in 1 encounter roll of tr,cw,gf

darkzar

GWF is right now probably one of the best PvP classes. Yes, they are VERY gear dependant, but as slow as it might be to gear them up, the benefits are HUGE. Ive seen GWFs tank 3 people with no problem, long enough to have someone aid them, in fact to some extent, I consider them a must in every PvP premade.