Cleave vs Crushing pin - GF changes

silveralucard

hi everybody i know that all are talking about the stalwart rework, however as some mention changing to timeless will be the only solution, we are losing some tankiness overall tht i think can be overtaken if we take into account the change in crushing pin.

have any of you have tested the overall change in damage from this? i mean comparing both in hits i think the big difference is the last hit that deal extra damage. in the past crushing surge sucked cause it was really slow, now it seems that it is better and the last hit will heal more, this mean that could be used for tanking in a DPS build .

If someone has or can provide an screenshot on base damage and also compare them both to see if now the crushing pin has the same speed that cleave,?

thanks in advance for your help .

Edit: just confirmed the helth and speed has increased, the single target damage is better than cleave with the benefit of the HP gain, however, is AoE is really short the overall damage to multiple enemies is a lot less, mostly driven on the last hit since with crush is a 2 hit vertical trust, and cleave will damage all enemies infront of you, so unless you have 2 enemies in the same space is not worth it, and continue to be 0.5 hit slower than cleave.

so the extra damage and hp gain will not help at the end with timeless