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Lack of armor variety is depressing. So is the dye system.
swamplander
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I've just started playing Neverwinter the past few days and I'm having a lot of fun as a Control Wizard. The combat is great, the crafting system is enjoyable, the Foundry is awesome, zones are beautifully designed, etc.
I like just about everything thus far except for how my character looks. I've been wearing the same blue-colored dishrags and grimy longjohns level after level, but I told myself it was only temporary and surely something better would come along, but after idling in the main town area for a while I've noticed other CWs like 20+ levels above me wearing very similar outfits, in the same blue color, with hardly any variation.
I don't know if it's this bad for other classes, but its really discouraging to not have a visual sense of progression as you level. It would be MUCH easier to tolerate if the game offered reusable (and affordable) dyes, but it doesn't. I've seen threads where people show off their high level CWs, so I know there are a few cool armor sets out there, but I still don't like the idea of spending 40+ levels in the dumpy standard gear.
Is this just a CW thing or is armor variety terrible for other classes? I drool with envy seeing people in the heavy armors, but that might just be a "grass is greener" thing. The game overall is very solid but someone phoned it in when it came to gear progression, and paying for single-use dyes is just not going to happen.
I like just about everything thus far except for how my character looks. I've been wearing the same blue-colored dishrags and grimy longjohns level after level, but I told myself it was only temporary and surely something better would come along, but after idling in the main town area for a while I've noticed other CWs like 20+ levels above me wearing very similar outfits, in the same blue color, with hardly any variation.
I don't know if it's this bad for other classes, but its really discouraging to not have a visual sense of progression as you level. It would be MUCH easier to tolerate if the game offered reusable (and affordable) dyes, but it doesn't. I've seen threads where people show off their high level CWs, so I know there are a few cool armor sets out there, but I still don't like the idea of spending 40+ levels in the dumpy standard gear.
Is this just a CW thing or is armor variety terrible for other classes? I drool with envy seeing people in the heavy armors, but that might just be a "grass is greener" thing. The game overall is very solid but someone phoned it in when it came to gear progression, and paying for single-use dyes is just not going to happen.
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i like DCUO's costume menu way better, that you can save for style appearances forever in menu format.
i still hadnt use any dyes yet, we go thru many upgrades as we leveled, currently at 36 lvl, also i dont use any imbue gems either, i sold them as soon i get new "next"tier gems. not worth wasting those astral diamonds.
If I'm not mistaken, you can drag that old helmet into the change appearance window and transmute the new helm to look like the old. I could be wrong, though.
You can. It will cost you AD though.
Grace, Tiefling Devoted Cleric
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. Then leave the rest to Batman."
No, it shouldn't happen. That would diminish the values of dyes and thus the earning potential of the Alchemy skill. If people want to dye their items every level or two, they can pay the cost of vanity.
Getting new gear as you progress and looking cool has always been a major draw for RPGs and I can't understand why Neverwinter is so lacking in that regard.
How does it help the value, If practically no one bothers to dye anything until they cap out? Its not a factor of lost sales if no one is interested in buying it. However, if you make it worthwhile people who wouldnt normally buy, suddenly will.
People are desperate for more color. The number of folks i see in the 4th event colors, is proof of this. But unless you give it away or make it worth doing. No one seems interested in buying. Im simply thinking that a better way might actually encourage sales.
I just don't see anything as a big deal at all during the leveling phase. MMORPGs are all about level cap, not the leveling phase. This is especially true in Cryptic games, which are generally very, very quick leveling games.
I believe this is the reason all class items come in a uniform type color. Rather then having the chance of a red chest, blue boots, and pink arms. I can just imagine the complaints that would cause. From complains of broken immursion. To complaints about being forced to purchase dye just to look normal.
Ill admit. The limited colors is boring. But it seems the path of least resistance.
Shy of modelling some textures, this should be a simple feature to add; people do like to have variety!
Nobody with any sense dyes outfits they will out level very shortly.
What they will dye is things they won't out level quickly, which happens at level 60. These are also the people who have the AD to buy dyes on a regular basis, and may very well pay to redye items just to change their look, or layer dyes for an original look. Since new equipment will always be coming out for max level characters with the expansions, there will be no capping out, and there will always be new high level equipment players will want to dye, leading to a steady income for Alchemists.
If a player could dye the slots instead, all he would have to do is dye the slots until they are the colours he wants, and then would never have to dye again. This would greatly reduce the income from dyes.
There's a difference in not using the most elaborate and cool designs for leveling gear, and using the same few models and color(s) over and over again for 60 levels. Neverwinter seems to emphasize casual and solo play with all of its instanced quests, it never struck me as a hardcore raiding or PvP game where everyone is just racing to cap to acquire the most powerful stuff ASAP.
Of all the fantasy MMOs I've played in recent years I can't think of one with a more limited gear selection than what I've experienced as a leveling CW in Neverwinter. Maybe Age of Conan was worse (everyone wearing leather sacks for god knows how many levels).
As for other Cryptic games, the clothing in STO is obviously different because of the prevalence of uniforms, but even then you have a lot of options with what you can do using even the free clothes. Also, that game doesn't charge you real $ to dye items.
Even playing casually 60 comes very quickly. It's a waste of dev assets and time to spend on the appearance of leveling gear beyond the level-based minor changes we have now since it is outleveled so quickly.
So make dyes free (at least basic ones), or at least reusable so people can customize a little. So many other MMOs do a much better job on gear variety/customization and yet they still have plenty of content to entertain people. I don't see anything so unique or revolutionary in Neverwinter that they absolutely had to save time with a minimal effort on gear designs.
I've also seen threads of people showing off their high level CWs and everyone seems to have like one of two or three sets. Again, I know this isn't a major issue for all players but it's a very noticeable shortcoming.
People can customize all they want, they just have to pay for it. Nothing comes for free. New equipment, and likely new styles, will be coming in the expansion, so more variety should be on the way. I highly doubt they will change the cost of dyes as it is one of the best ways for them to make money without compromising the game, cosmetics for sale instead of power. What they need is more cosmetic items for sale, not less.
I have 2 words for this: prohibitively expensive
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Indeed it is. As is the cost of this game that never gets fixed.
Except they aren't the same... Unless you've been wearing exactly the same ones all that time. Generally looks do evolve, slowly, as you level up. Same as or all classes, with a few exceptions for specific pieces of armour etc.
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
That would mess up alchemists.
This is only true until the game isn't new anymore. With a steady player base, more people will be able to make dyes, people making dyes will stockpile huge supplies taking up what limited space there is in this game to store things, and players will flood the AH with more and more dyes undercutting each other constantly. Also if new players coming to the game drops off, you have less and less people in demand with an endless supply being produced.
I've been playing a bit of Firefall's beta and that game allows you free access to a small handful of basic dyes, and there's a small charge for single-use dyes in more elaborate colors. And like I said before, STO gives you several free uniform options and total access to all sorts of uniform colors for very little in-game currency.
There's absolutely no reason to purchase dye in Neverwinter unless you've got top of the line gear that you won't be changing in the immediate future. These are freaking dyes, not epic mounts or companions or whatever. It shouldn't be so restrictive and expensive.
I suggest you check these threads:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?363881-show-me-your-clerics-!!!
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?218331-Show-your-Control-Wizard-%28Screenshots%29
Pro tip: all boss drops have a unique skin. Including the ones you can find for 2k on the AH. Even T1 bosses drops can have a nice skin.
You must be exceptionally poor.
When it comes to coloring stuff that will be used for 2-3 levels at most, I am definitely too poor for that.