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why theres option to kick someone while in dungeon...
pr0mote
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 62
just wasted 2.5h for castle and after we did last boss some ... decided to kick me out cause loot was for my class -.-
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I have yet to see any loot i needed end up in my bag.
Which leaves one option, get 4 rl m8s to perma group with, or join a guild of strangers and hope they are nice people and competent players.
That's pretty much the main part of it.
However there certainly does need to be a voting system of some sort. Players being able to kick people out without warning and often for simple grieving purposes is certainly an issue the team has received a lot of feedback on.
Finally get to run pirate king for my 3rd time. (first 2 top damage as a gwf... ^_^) and I get dc'd. Less then 10 seconds to log in and I'm already kicked out of party. As the delves are the only thing I can do that is of the "getting better" nature of the mmo genre, that was a complete waste of an hour. Next one won't happen for a while, so I shut the game down.
Really horrid queue system.
You also shouldn't be able to kick people while you are still in combat.
This prevents group leaders from kicking players after the group has brought the boss down to 1%. No more group leaders having sole access to the loot drops by kicking players just before the boss dies.
-Travail.
Are you implying that "the team" isn't already aware of this issue? Funny. But anyway, I take advantage of it to kick toxic players.
I find the fact that Cryptic NEED's feed back on issues like this at all disturbing. Your giving people a free pass to be HORRIBLE and quite literally steal lewt, grief, and just generally make the game look like garbage because SOMEHOW no one realized these issues are gonna happen???
SOON isn't probably the best time to change this kind of stuff. NOW seems like a better idea. Feel free to pass that along to the Dev's.
Thanks much.
Prevents rectalhats from kicking folks to keep the loot, prevents afk'ers from griefing folks on loot rolls (granted, if someone afk's you'd have to throw the fight and kick him, but better than the current setup).
thank you! awesome lip service here. this is going to revolutionize everything and fix all the problems.
looking forward to the improvements already!
This would probably be the best and most efficient way to fix it, great idea. Not sure it would be viable to create some sort of code to see if the kick is actually kick worthy. In example showing showing signs of in activity, lack of combat etc. I am not coder though so leave it up to those guys, they will come up with something fair.
Another way is to just let the loot drop for everyone like in diablo 3. Solves the party loot drama and it is one of the few things they got right over there
Do you guys even read feedback? I mean this has been complained about since day 1. In fact before that.
Not to mention that EVERY OTHER MMO has implemented methods to prevent abuse by this. Are you guys even aware that there is an MMO industry out there? Have you ever seen or played other MMO's?
You cannot expect me to believe that the team is so dense as to realise that given a sh.i.tty system, players will abuse it.
Time to stop the lip service and actually implement fixes.
I'm still having my issues with NWO, but that is a whole other " Can of Worms " and although I'm doing the Solo running, if I were to group up, I would be pizzed if someone in the group had all the time to get to the " End Boss " and suddenly had to go AFK?????
And then somehow happened to get back just as the boss was going to be killed?????
There seems to be another issue with people about getting Banned due to Spamming, so why can't something be done in the same manner, if there is a person(s) that seemly go AFK , instead of getting kicked they get marked as AFK and that is a black mark against them, if they get " X " amount of AFK's then they get banned for 3 days.
Might seem pretty harsh, but I bet it would curb the behavior.
For me, if and when the time comes that I do decide to group up, I would really like to have a loot system that allows me to be gracious, because if I'm with a decent group Pug/or otherwise I will gladly give up an item if I feel I may get something in return, or maybe I would feel like the person deserved it because they saved my " <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> " when everyone else hid behind the wall, heheheh.
It's not a good looting system for any type of " social " game, what it does is force people to only group with their regular friends from " Other " games they have played, and doesn't truly promote trying to make " New " online friends. It's just like the looting system a real " <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> Shoot "
If all people are going to get are people that AFK and other are Loot Ninjas.... Then I'm glad that I am doing the solo thing at the moment.
Cheers! All
" May The Wind be Always At Your Back "
Prevent kicking in boss area's.
Disable the kick option while in a boss "area"
and yes solution is easy, make team vote kick or disable kick after all 5 enter boss room
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?272691-Allow-us-to-Freaking-Invite-People-in-Instances-to-Fill-Spots-because-of-QUITTERS!!!!&p=3573571#post3573571
In a nutshell I'd like to see it where if you KICK someone, you cannot invite a replacement BUT the extra spot is re-queued for a random replacement of appropriate class. If someone DROPS out by their own choice, then you can invite or wait for an auto-replacement.
I do like the idea of voting to kick to reduce the abuse of kicking at final boss, etc. Even better is the concept that once you've entered the room for the final boss, you can no longer kick anyone.
They were not addressed in other MMORPGs, they were just covered up and made less obvious.
In WoW, since that is what everyone uses as a "standard", players from the same guild (or friends) can and will still kick those who they don't want in the group, and that can be at the last boss, too. You cannot force 3-4 players to play with you if they don't want to play with you, regardless of the reason.
Players who constantly get kicked, because either of their behavior or their performance, become immune to kicks after a while, giving them a free pass at harassing or dragging down the whole group.
Players who know that they will get kicked the next time the group gets out of combat will either keep pulling mobs or pull a lot of adds to wipe the group.
If you kicked someone, you can't kick someone else for some time, and the more often you kick, the fewer you can use the feature, which punishes players who are unlucky to get grouped with undesirable players. Even participating in a vote increases your kick counter.
None of these have addressed the "issues", just shifted them around a bit and protected people who don't perform well or are for another reason unwanted in grops.. The only improvement that is needed here is a vote feature, but that still won't prevent all forms of possible abuse. And if you go too far in one direction, you allow one player to harass four other players without consequences.
It's more complex than it seems.
This is both encouraging and disheartening at the same time. Thanks for taking the time to reply and assuring us that it will be looked into, but at the same time, your post implies that you guys weren't aware of this problem to begin with.
The que system note only should have a vote to kick option, but it should always include a healer for dungeons. Pvp ques w/o a healer is fine.