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Need some tips for Dracolich fight punting
hidusx
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I'm starting to get frustrated with going all the way through CN only to discover that our CW(s) are incapable of consistently punting adds over the rail. Now I play DC not CW but I have noticed a few recurring issues:
1. Their timing is off. Mobs get dropped from arcane singularity and land on the ground before the punt comes which results in them just bouncing off the railing and coming back.
2. Their positioning is off. Mobs spray all over the place, some go over the rail but a lot don't.
3. They get hit during their setup which causes throws off their timing/positioning.
4. It seems the more adds there are the worse they are. Not sure if they are lagging & messing up on timing or if it's just nerves.
Now aside from "get a better CW", what else can the rest of the group do in this situation? Is there something we can do to make the CW's job easier or it this purely a CW skill-check fight?
1. Their timing is off. Mobs get dropped from arcane singularity and land on the ground before the punt comes which results in them just bouncing off the railing and coming back.
2. Their positioning is off. Mobs spray all over the place, some go over the rail but a lot don't.
3. They get hit during their setup which causes throws off their timing/positioning.
4. It seems the more adds there are the worse they are. Not sure if they are lagging & messing up on timing or if it's just nerves.
Now aside from "get a better CW", what else can the rest of the group do in this situation? Is there something we can do to make the CW's job easier or it this purely a CW skill-check fight?
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First, by having the DC's collect the mobs that are near the boss, and bring them to the CW's. If we are allowed to focus only on the punting combo, it makes our job a lot easier.
Second, stagger your astral shields. I notice several teams of DC's will stack them directly on top of each other. This just isn't enough room to move.
Finally, **** does happen. I have been rocking the entire fight, had my arcane singularity up, and 3-4 fists start charging beneath me. I teleport off them, directly into a mob's knock-back, which in turn knocked me back into the fists just as they activated. Instant death. Mobs went everywhere, killing everyone.
It is kinda sad that the fight is so CW skill based, but that's just how it is. Only thing to do is try to add the good CW's to your friends list, and invite them to your CN run groups. Hope this helped
Number 3 is a real problem. I try to use Steal Time for the AOE stun to prevent this. Group members can help this problem by using hard CCs to try and prevent mobs from using CCs on the CW. Also, when you see the CW using AS, try to move away from it so that if a mob targets you with a telegraph attack it won't impact the CW getting to a good position for the knockback.
Number 4 is just reality. The more mobs there are, the more knockbacks, telegraphs, disables, etc are being thrown out which makes it harder and harder to get things under control. In particular, the Red Wizards are challenging because they spawn on the far sides of the room and cast spells and telegraphs at range, often times too far to be picked up by the AS at the edge of the room. Groups can help with this by knocking them closer to the designated push spots and/or into the CWs AS range.
Just my experience!
Can you or anyone else describe the exact timing in a little more detail? Knockup explosion isn't explicit enough for me
I am not a CW though, I am just trying to help out a guildie and ease my frustration. I get real grouchy when I see 4 missed punts in a row and then witness a 5th. I start cringing at the massive damage headed my way.....
The window to use knockback is from just after the mobs get lifted up off the ground to then the explosion happens with AS. If you do it before they are lifted up they won't make it over the railing. After the explosion is risky unless are you right at the very edge, otherwise they fall too quickly and hit the railing.
I'd avoid using Repel. I'm fairly certain it has an AOE cap and it doesn't refill your AP like Shield Push does in my experience.
It reminds me of Neil deGrassi Tyson talking about what happens when you go into a black hole and describing the process with the word "spaghettification".
Of course, now that I got that shield knockback explosion down to science, it's hard to even find a grp that wants to do it that way. Most people just want the CW to do the exploit to cause the mobs to spawn outside the room. It's extremely boring being forced to do that exploit, because the last boss without any adds at all is one boring *** fight. At least with the shield knockback I had something to do while the TR killed the boss.
1. tab entagling force + shield = x2 arcane singularity for 1 shield, but its too risky? done it after several wipes
2. tab repel + shield + dc sunburst for x2 push on wall, but sometimes it dont work
any different ways?
You DEFINITELY dont want 2x Singularities up at the same time. That will mess things up pretty good.
Entangling Force on Tab and using Shield Pulse is the best way I found to doing this.
Once you know the sweet spot to knockback the Singularity, you realize that the hardest part is not the knockback itself. It's surviving long enough, and maneuvering between all reds, so you can get your knockback off. So this is what I do. After I throw Singularity up, I either cast Steal Time if it is available OR just run away about 20-25ft in any direction. The red AoE will then follow me, so by the time I run back to the singularity for the push, there is less of a chance to get hit with any red underneath.
There are/were only two Lame strategies. 1) Using the exploit. 2) Using 2DCs for Astral Shield stacking. Anything else is basically what your party can manage with. I know some people may take it personally when stacking their class, the feeling that you're probably can't do it on your own and so we need another, but you shouldn't look at it that way. NC Draco fight mechanic is beyond broken. There is no way anyone can convince me that the designers intended it to be complete in this manner. So if you need to stack 2 CWs, do it. There is no shame in that, any more than stacking 2 TRs on the boss. Hec even stacking 2 DCs now is OK in my book, if the party can compensate the huge loss of dps.
Personally, I think that with the arcane mastery not improving shield's cooldown now, you need 2 CWs for this. I might be wrong, but doing it with only 1 CW feels to me like it's gonna be hardcore, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> mode.
Yes, that's what I think also. Shield is down for so long that the adds build up horribly.
When the mobs go up into the singularity, they kind of do a flip. When the flip is finished, that is when I pop the shield.
my group and me (GF, 2x TR, CW, DC) were first time @ dracolich and never surrendered for more then 2 minutes.
I saw a lot of vids, where they drop of the adds over the edge. We tried this, but the adds are stuck into a invisible wall and fall back into the area. So we don't have got a chance to kick them over the edge.
Playing the adds down is also no option, since they spawn too fast and are too much.
Anyone knows a strategy, that works for patch 3.2.x?
Also if you fail to push mobs over the fence, train in Foundry quests. I found Undead Arena (melee encounter) rather useful !