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immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
To my eyes AD are a pointless fabrication.
Why not just have Zen and in game gold and forget AD completely?
If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
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  • noosednoosed Member Posts: 247 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    To my eyes AD are a pointless fabrication.
    Why not just have Zen and in game gold and forget AD completely?

    Let me answer your question with a question. Why the f does it matter?
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    noosed wrote: »
    Let me answer your question with a question. Why the f does it matter?
    let me answer you with a punch in the head.....seriously stupid answer. I explained my reasoning in the title :P
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    To my eyes AD are a pointless fabrication.
    Why not just have Zen and in game gold and forget AD completely?

    Directly buying in game currency probably leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

    Why do so many companies brand their own digital currency instead of just letting you buy gold or actual items for cash? Probably some negative stigma.
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • noosednoosed Member Posts: 247 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    let me answer you with a punch in the head.....seriously stupid answer. I explained my reasoning in the title :P

    Well i guess the key thing to note in your "reasoning" is that's your opinion, and nobody gives a **** about your opinion.
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    etherealj wrote: »
    Directly buying in game currency probably leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

    Why do so many companies brand their own digital currency instead of just letting you buy gold or actual items for cash? Probably some negative stigma.

    Ahh hehe I kind of hadn't thought that they would be irrational about it.....

    I thought there might be some sophisticated reasoning behind it :)
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • nectarprimenectarprime Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    let me answer you with a punch in the head.....seriously stupid answer. I explained my reasoning in the title :P

    Pretty bad reasoning.
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    noosed wrote: »
    Well i guess the key thing to note in your "reasoning" is that's your opinion, and nobody gives a **** about your opinion.

    Go to school and get an education. I gave no opinion and I don't think you really understand the notion of curiosity. Grow up.
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Pretty bad reasoning.

    What? you have never been curious about ANYTHING in your whole life?
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Ahh hehe I kind of hadn't thought that they would be irrational about it.....

    I thought there might be some sophisticated reasoning behind it :)

    Did I miss the in game lore that explains what Astral Diamonds are? I don't think there's anything particularly sophisticated going on...
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • solresolsolresol Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    When you add seals and bounties to the mix I think there are almost 10 currencies
  • noosednoosed Member Posts: 247 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Go to school and get an education. I gave no opinion and I don't think you really understand the notion of curiosity. Grow up.
    To my eyes AD are a pointless fabrication. <---- this appears to be an opinion, a very stupid, pointless, not worthy of being shared, opinion
    Why not just have Zen and in game gold and forget AD completely?

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
  • noosednoosed Member Posts: 247 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Go to school and get an education. I gave no opinion and I don't think you really understand the notion of curiosity. Grow up.
    To my eyes AD are a pointless fabrication. <---- this appears to be an opinion, a very stupid, pointless, not worthy of being shared, opinion
    Why not just have Zen and in game gold and forget AD completely?

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
  • aepervius1972aepervius1972 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 66
    edited May 2013
    To my eyes AD are a pointless fabrication.
    Why not just have Zen and in game gold and forget AD completely?

    Having one indirect currency is a necessity due to CC company, nickel and diming is not possible so to have small sum you need a first indirect currency.

    The second one is for the psychological barrier. If you see "this cost 365721 AD", most people don't reconvert back to Zen then ton their own currency. Especially since AD fluctuate. ETA: also they need to decouple it from Gold, so as to control more tightly AD sink and faucet. ETAETA: in fact I nearly never use gold except for kits and up to level 40 never had to buy any potion. I suppose you need potion to raid and thus gold but I see no other usage.

    Now what I would like to see, is like a stock ticker , which would use the in game currency exchange on all shard, and show the conversions in semi real time, like once per minute, and show a graph showing tendance. Now that would be great.
  • clannamuirclannamuir Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 217 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    etherealj wrote: »
    Directly buying in game currency probably leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
    Why do so many companies brand their own digital currency instead of just letting you buy gold or actual items for cash? Probably some negative stigma.

    Legal reasons, I'm not a lawyer so I don't fully understand this. Only the US goverment can issue currency in the US (It applies to foreign player since the company is in the US and many of their countries have similar laws). That's also why player's cannot transfer zen from one game to another. Player's can make zen in the game but they must use that zen in the game.

    P.S. I think the in-game money system stinks. We have zen, gold, AD and trade bars. You can trade zen for AD and AD for zen but you cannot trade gold for AD or gold for zen or anything (that I know of) for trade bars. Sounds like a system built for "gold" traders.
  • drakonlord56drakonlord56 Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Because of the Exchange. In the Exchange you can buy Zen for AD, and vice versa. This leaves gold for common goods from vendors. I haven't dabble in the exchange much other than exploring but it is a great tool. It's a really good idea to keep one currency separate for these types of transactions, and makes it easier to track. Had they not provided the exchange then it would only be two currencies; of course.
  • drakonlord56drakonlord56 Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    solresol wrote: »
    When you add seals and bounties to the mix I think there are almost 10 currencies

    I wouldn't consider them currency. They are tokens you can exchange for goods. Much like in some state fairs were you can play a lot of games and take your winnings, tokens, in for that one prize.
  • nornsavantnornsavant Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There are many more currencies than just that. Various tokens and coins, celestial, unicorn, lion, etc... You will find this to be the ongoing gambit of the cash grab, the bait and switch.

    Just like the street magician tries to hide the fact that there is no queen of spades on the table, so too Cryptic tries to hide the fact that you will have to grind for 27 hours to get enough Orc tokens to trade into the bounty fellow for enough lion tokens to get one thing from the token vendor standing next to him.

    It is to require you to do some critical thinking and perhaps some math, some analysis and comparison. And they know that some people will not do that, some people will not pay attention. If they run out of tokens they will just buy some more. If they want equipment they will just buy it, or get their mothers to do so.

    But a direct and clear view of just what is going on is the last thing Cryptic wants. A bureaucratic maze of multiple currencies to make the short attention span crowd pay moar is just the ticket.

    Make no mistake, if you are playing this game to get ahead through its currencies, your competition is not Orcs or Dragons.

    Its Cryptic.
  • etherealjetherealj Member Posts: 1,091 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    clannamuir wrote: »
    Legal reasons, I'm not a lawyer so I don't fully understand this. Only the US goverment can issue currency in the US (It applies to foreign player since the company is in the US and many of their countries have similar laws). That's also why player's cannot transfer zen from one game to another. Player's can make zen in the game but they must use that zen in the game.

    P.S. I think the in-game money system stinks. We have zen, gold, AD and trade bars. You can trade zen for AD and AD for zen but you cannot trade gold for AD or gold for zen or anything (that I know of) for trade bars. Sounds like a system built for "gold" traders.

    You seriously think the US Government would have a problem if Cryptic and PWE sold digital gold instead of Zen?

    So by that logic, forums where people trade currency across games are in violation of Federal Law? :D
    Use the <removed exploit lead-in> to interact with the auction vendor.
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    noosed wrote: »
    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
    Go get an education that was not an opinion nor a conclusion, it was an expression. I was expressing the fact that I did not see a reason for them. a Class on critical thinking and maybe one on Reading Comprehension might help you out.
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • quorforgedquorforged Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I like having Gold and AD separate because it means that using potions and kits doesn't cost anything important.
    Go get an education that was not an opinion nor a conclusion, it was an expression. I was expressing the fact that I did not see a reason for them. a Class on critical thinking and maybe one on Reading Comprehension might help you out.

    You were expressing the fact that you have an opinion that they are a "pointless fabrication". You obviously expressed an opinion in the OP.
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Having one indirect currency is a necessity due to CC company, nickel and diming is not possible so to have small sum you need a first indirect currency.

    The second one is for the psychological barrier. If you see "this cost 365721 AD", most people don't reconvert back to Zen then ton their own currency. Especially since AD fluctuate. ETA: also they need to decouple it from Gold, so as to control more tightly AD sink and faucet. ETAETA: in fact I nearly never use gold except for kits and up to level 40 never had to buy any potion. I suppose you need potion to raid and thus gold but I see no other usage.

    Now what I would like to see, is like a stock ticker , which would use the in game currency exchange on all shard, and show the conversions in semi real time, like once per minute, and show a graph showing tendance. Now that would be great.

    Now that makes sense.
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    I wouldn't consider them currency. They are tokens you can exchange for goods. Much like in some state fairs were you can play a lot of games and take your winnings, tokens, in for that one prize.
    Not seeing how that differs from a "currency" all a currency is...is something to act as a medium for barter. The tokens at a fair can be labeled a currency.
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • raztaxxraztaxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1
    edited May 2013
    clannamuir wrote: »
    Legal reasons, I'm not a lawyer so I don't fully understand this. Only the US goverment can issue currency in the US (It applies to foreign player since the company is in the US and many of their countries have similar laws). That's also why player's cannot transfer zen from one game to another. Player's can make zen in the game but they must use that zen in the game.

    What??? It has nothing to do with being unable to issue currency, since they would not be 'issuing' anything :S It's a well known marketing ploy that people tend to spend more if the "money" or in-game currency is not associated with a direct currency (ie: using zen instead of dollars). Many companies do this...Zen points, Turbine points, Microsoft points, etc etc etc Some other games do allow you to buy items directly such as Guild Wars 2
  • noosednoosed Member Posts: 247 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Not seeing how that differs from a "currency" all a currency is...is something to act as a medium for barter. The tokens at a fair can be labeled a currency.

    AKA "I like to hear myself talk, I like to speak in my clever british accent. I frequently smell my own farts and feel sophisticated when I argue over semantics and other petty things. Mahaha."
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    noosed wrote: »
    AKA "I like to hear myself talk, I like to speak in my clever british accent. I frequently smell my own farts and feel sophisticated when I argue over semantics and other petty things. Mahaha."

    A true scholar aren't you. :)
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • raztaxxraztaxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1
    edited May 2013
    Not seeing how that differs from a "currency" all a currency is...is something to act as a medium for barter. The tokens at a fair can be labeled a currency.

    But your fair tokens are not legal tender. Big difference between dollars or euros and fair tokens.
  • quorforgedquorforged Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    raztaxx wrote: »
    But your fair tokens are not legal tender. Big difference between dollars or euros and fair tokens.

    Nothing in Neverwinter is "legal tender".
  • immagikman2immagikman2 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 180 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    raztaxx wrote: »
    But your fair tokens are not legal tender. Big difference between dollars or euros and fair tokens.

    But then neither are in game gold and AD :)

    Ninja'd by quorforged.
    If your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
  • raztaxxraztaxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1
    edited May 2013
    But then neither are in game gold and AD :)

    Ninja'd by quorforged.

    Exactly! :)
  • kindyrekindyre Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2013
    As far as I can tell the point is to separate currency awarded for pure PvE farming from currency awarded for actions requiring player interaction.

    Where does Gold come from? It just drops from mobs you kill, is given as quest reward (which can be solo'd) and you get some more from vendoring the items that drop. You can solo farm it. You get a whole bunch of it just in the process of leveling. In fact, a bot could earn a lot of Gold quite easily.

    Where does AD come from? It comes from running dungeons, doing skirmishes, and competing in PvP (all via dailies). I suppose you could add trading on the AH to that list, but technically no AD is being created there... in fact, some AD is destroyed in every transaction via the AH tax. But still, from a personal perspective, you can make AD by trading. All of these things require player to player interaction (even if it's impersonal).

    Someone else said they feel like this system was made for Gold farmers / traders. I think it's quite the other way around. Gold is so abundant and has such limited uses that it's nearly worthless. And AD cannot be farmed in the traditional sense. At least not effectively. Besides, players can effectively and "officially" buy AD for real-life currency using the Zen Exchange. As far as I can see, this is a system designed to inhibit the Gold farming trade (and make PWE/Cryptic money in the process, of course).
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