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New "no eploit" server or complete wipe PLEASE!
unclesalty
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First of all, I support a full wipe.
The exploits listed below are game breaking and have ruined the economy of the game.
1. Trading items at the pvp vendor for glory, then selling said items for AD.
2. Foundry exploit 60 in one hour (while this doesn't effect the economy directly and does indirectly based on number 3 exploit)
3. One shot bosses for loot, then fixed, then a new workaround to do the same exact thing.
4. Double AD.
These four alone have ruined the current state of the game and are imo valid enough to roll the entire game back. If these issues happened in any other MMO I am quite sure a restart would be in order. I am a HOTN+Guardian and will surely get my AD back that I paid 260.00 for, and I believe all real monies should be reimbursed in the form of Zen to the account holder.
There is no nice outcome for this. No one will be completely happy. You guys dogging us that paid are forgetting the fact that we lose ALL that headstart time to gain benefits over new players. We paid for that, not exploited it.
IF anything they could make a new server and I assure you myself and majority of others who love the game will happily switch over like its Day 1.
All you folk who desire the game in its current state can remain with your 9999BIL AD. I want my time to feel valuable. I want my account to feel valuable.
As a founder I thought 3.2MIL AD would last forever. That's nothing atm. In the headstart a phoera companion costs 600k AD, and dropped to 100k AD live. That's the one common denominator as AD prices should drop, NOT RISE! Otherwise what was my 260.00 purchase good for? A bag, wolf, panther, spider, glowie?
Prices should be low in live as the majority of the playerbase is F2P earning 20k AD a day on quests, and 50-100k a day on Leadership over lvl 16 (which takes ALOT to get too.)
At least make us a brand new server. Watch how many move. I will be one. I had a slight edge due to my purchases but this is just outright crazy.
How many people will be banned for above exploits? I assure you the population will drop ALOT.
Just make a new server if you aren't going to start over. You owe us that at a minimum imo.
The exploits listed below are game breaking and have ruined the economy of the game.
1. Trading items at the pvp vendor for glory, then selling said items for AD.
2. Foundry exploit 60 in one hour (while this doesn't effect the economy directly and does indirectly based on number 3 exploit)
3. One shot bosses for loot, then fixed, then a new workaround to do the same exact thing.
4. Double AD.
These four alone have ruined the current state of the game and are imo valid enough to roll the entire game back. If these issues happened in any other MMO I am quite sure a restart would be in order. I am a HOTN+Guardian and will surely get my AD back that I paid 260.00 for, and I believe all real monies should be reimbursed in the form of Zen to the account holder.
There is no nice outcome for this. No one will be completely happy. You guys dogging us that paid are forgetting the fact that we lose ALL that headstart time to gain benefits over new players. We paid for that, not exploited it.
IF anything they could make a new server and I assure you myself and majority of others who love the game will happily switch over like its Day 1.
All you folk who desire the game in its current state can remain with your 9999BIL AD. I want my time to feel valuable. I want my account to feel valuable.
As a founder I thought 3.2MIL AD would last forever. That's nothing atm. In the headstart a phoera companion costs 600k AD, and dropped to 100k AD live. That's the one common denominator as AD prices should drop, NOT RISE! Otherwise what was my 260.00 purchase good for? A bag, wolf, panther, spider, glowie?
Prices should be low in live as the majority of the playerbase is F2P earning 20k AD a day on quests, and 50-100k a day on Leadership over lvl 16 (which takes ALOT to get too.)
At least make us a brand new server. Watch how many move. I will be one. I had a slight edge due to my purchases but this is just outright crazy.
How many people will be banned for above exploits? I assure you the population will drop ALOT.
Just make a new server if you aren't going to start over. You owe us that at a minimum imo.
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How about a no AH, BoP server instead? You want your "time to feel valuable"? Try playing a game instead of reducing everything to a monetary value. You "Heroes" especially deserve this lol. Fine and dandy for you to pay for an advantage and get a head start, but when someone gets ahead of you by being smart it's not fun anymore.
Same boat... could not AGREE more!!
With what has happened what are you going to do for the Founders Pack purchasers? We are the ones that are getting exactly NOTHING we paid for other than a few days head start to be left behind by exploiters! No value in that!
You mean by cheating / hacking / exploiting?
There won't be a wipe and I hope people like you learn from your mistakes for the next MMO that does this.
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If they were using third party programs and actually hacking, then maybe so. Using the tools PW/Cryptic provided is not something I can get mad about. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
What do I gain for starting over then an obvious loss I have no problem accepting.
A new server that has never been exploited on is exactly fine with me. Like I said, you can keep the other three destroyed servers.
I want to play a game where the items I have I earned not exploited for. Hince, the time and efforts put into it gives me a return on my time to "feel" valuable to me.
Every MMO is based on this premise. Right now as it stands I don't even want to log on my account.
Exploits ruin games. These are GAME BREAKING. I am not better then a F2P player by any means. I am fine with losing my headstart that I PAID for.
I just want a NEW server to go to since they aren't starting over. its simple, and we deserve that at the least. The bare minimum is a new server. Let US CHOOSE to stay or go to a new server.
I assure you the other 3 servers will be ghost towns.
Choice.
That's what is needed here. I want the choice. Then everyone can be happy where they CHOOSE to stay.
How is a new server going to hurt any of you????
That is right it wont, but you will be playing by yourself.
I've played plenty of games that had exploits/bugs, and they were fixed without the game being "destroyed".
All the shards will be merged into one Mega Server. There will only be one server
You completely miss the point. You really think a new server is going to do anything? What kind of wager would you like to make that it too will have its economy completely destroyed? You really think having a fresh, new, virgin economy won't be seen as a challenge for some people?
You miss the forest for the trees.
Do you mean a new shard?
That won't solve anything, as they plan to merge all shards into one. Even if that wasn't a plan, it would eventually happen, as that's what all games are doing now.
Zero for two on these statements. If they agreed to open a new shard with a fresh economy and fresh start it would mean by definition that they were modifying their plan to merge the shards. So a new shard truly is the best fix since a full wipe is not practicable.
All games are going to a single server <laughs<. That might be true if Vanguard was the only MMO in existance but even Vanguard isn't support for your clearly unsupportable comment. Vanguard just merged a virtually empty European server into their only other server as they had planned to do for years but couldn't due to contractual commitments. The merger at a time when Vanguard was growing not shrinking. MMOs with many servers are still commonplace.
I've always despised this quote/mindset.
"Hey, don't hate me because I was a complete tool, I was only doing it cause I could!"
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. And if you choose to do so, then by all means the backlash should come down on YOU as well as what was responsible for it. You didn't HAVE to take advantage of something you knew was wrong.
Hate the player AND the game that allows it. That goes for any game where some toolbelt throws out that quote.
That said, I'd be all for a new server, as unlikely as it is they'd open one. I enjoy starting out on brand new servers.
Those of us who favor a wipe can go there, those who don't can stay in their current servers.
Problem solved.
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For everyone stupid enough to spend 300.00 plus dollars on a game that is in beta just to run around on your fancy spider mount, I laugh at you. If you don't know better which Obviously you don't you really need to go play Tetris or something. You deserved what you got with your stupidity. I myself could care less about rollbacks and exploits because I have no spent a dime. I will concern myself with spending money when they make a product worthy of spending money on. Good luck on all your refunds lol.
Other than the one dude that said Don't hate the player hate the game" which is beyond stupid, this is the most ignorant. You have no idea about that guys life or what 260 dollars means to him. I am not rich by any means but I can fork over 260 and not sweat about it. Heck sometimes I do that over a weekend playing a stupid round of golf and drinks. Then I go back and realize, "Man I could have like bought 4 video games or an Xbox." Then I tell my golf buddies I will never play with them again, at least until they convince me again to do it. It is all relative dude.
This game's background garners a lot of history. I don't know what other title other than maybe ESO or a EQ reboot, would be bigger. People are really rooting for this title. A lot of people paid 200 bucks and a lot more paid the 60 (I paid the 60). When I logged on 3 days early I was shocked at how many people were on already. Shocked. I would have been shocked on normal launch but was too upset because the servers crashed due to volume :-). I don't think 200 bucks is crazy by any means. If you ever played a subscription based game for a year, that is 360+50 for the price of the game. That is 410 and anyone who has played them know they are full of bugs. They should be beta but they don't care and just start charging right away.
The other ignorant comment is about how people criticize guys who play video games a lot. The comments, "get a life" or "loser". They did a poll among NFL players on how many hours they play Madden or Xbox games. The average came to 22.8 hours with some reporting of playing over 70 hours during off season. Curt Schilling once said in an interview that he use to play EQ 40+ hours a week during off hours. Who is going to tell an NFL millionaire or Curt Schilling to "get a life" or that they are a "loser". I play a lot of video games (not as much as I use to in my "loser" college years) but I do play more than I should and I have a job, married and have kids. It is what I like to do. I grew up on it. It is all relative. Don't insult people on what they do for fun. Paying 4k to go watch the superbowl or 5k to sit court side at a lakers game... that is stretching things, but if they can afford it all the power to them. Paying 2 million a day to rent an island to have a party for family like Oprah did, ok that is stupid but hey whatever.
"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."
And what would you say to those who pay for advantage?
Sorry you didn't like the quote, doesn't make it less true. Have fun with your Brave New Shard or gated community MMO or whatev.
Man you need to re-evaluate your moral compass. If you are talking and limiting this discussion just to video games, well that is still bad but whatever, but if this is a life philosophy, dude, think about what you are saying.
AIG did not break any laws. They took and "exploited" legal rules and nearly destroyed the entire world economy. If everyone truly took the philosophy get mine and screw you, where would the world be? OH yeah it would be where we are at now. Come one man. You seriously have this psychopath mentality? People thinking of ways to exploit a game to a degree where it might break the game and no blame should go to the players? Yes, the devs should be and will be held accountable (in the pocketbook) but dude, those players who exploit could have gone and said hey here are some GLARING bugs that you should fix. Not "let's see how much I can exploit before I get caught."
Hate... HATE the ******bag who thinks his fun/enjoyment trumps everyone else fun and enjoyment. Hate the devs for not doing their job. Hate PWI for releasing too early. But truly hate and despise the guys who get off on exploiting and ruining games. It is pathetic.
I think the contention is that the damage is so severe that the game economy cannot be fixed. Therefor even banning ALL the exploiters (if that was even possible) still would not alleviate the damage done to the game economy.