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UGC - Hyborian Blood Arena v.2.5 - old "Blood and Sand: Unchained"

volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Previous thread was closed, so please guys, lets try to behave in this one :)

Quest wasnt banned becouse of stomp-rolling mobs. In a fact, there are not many mobs and every mob is handmaded. There are no crazy packs of mobs and this quest IS NOT farming quest.
This quest was banned becouse of copyright issues (i am quessing here). So i reworked it, changed names and published once again without any references to Spartacus series.

Back to topic:

This is fresh quest now, so search it by name:

Hyborian Blood Arena v.2.5

or by my handle:

@volcxxx


Quest have no comments, no plays, it is invisible now, so please play it and rate it fair, if you like it.

Thank you guys! :)
FROM FOUNDRY:
Hyborian-style, heavy combat quest.
WARNING: partial nudity!

THIS IS OLD "BLOOD AND SAND: UNCHAINED" QUEST. <

Banned from foundry (copyrights), now all references to Spartacus series are gone :(
Anyway, it is all about Your imagination, so go for it and play!

Story:
In Vellosk, the Pit Master leads profitable pit fights.
Travel do Pit and challenge mighty gladiators and bloody beasts on the sands of the Arena!
Be ready to rescue slave girls, demolish arena, and destroy slave trade market in Neverwinter!

Have fun!


Note:
- Loot is random generated, so i hope you will get nice shiny reward at the end! :)
- quest is quite easy for low level character


Known issues:
- music is ready, but due to foundry bugs, not working now
- there are bright area just outside pit, but i just cant fix it and keep daylight
- some folks have problems with boards jumping puzzle

Version 2.5
- all references to Spartacus series was removed, now all mobs have mixed Cymmerian/Roman names
5cm82e.jpg
Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
Played more than 100 000 times!
> TRY IT NOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
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  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited May 2013
    Awesome.... keep it coming!
  • ezbeeezbee Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2013
    you might wanna change your signature, the last thread was closed because of discussion of bans and having that in your sig might lead to a forum ban or something.

    glad to see that this is back under a different name.
  • nephtnepht Member Posts: 5,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Wait wasnt Spartacus some sort of historical figure how can he be copyrighted . I like your old mish :<
    Meh suppose Cryptic has got to play it safe after all that Marvel <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> in City of Heroes :I

    Good to see it back up ^__^
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    Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
  • stonedbillstonedbill Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Aww :( im gonna miss the spartacus references lol
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    Smoke@stonedbill - Mindflayer - 60 Rogue
  • northwind2008northwind2008 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2013
    So the Administrator in the closed thread said it was because you can group all the mobs up and kill them.

    Um, wouldn't this be a game mechanic design.............SO shouldn't the entire game of Neverwinter get a ban?
  • adrynbadrynb Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    playing devil's advocate here.
    No idea if 'hyborian' is a copyrighted term, but you really need to check everything you use from another work of fiction.
    Why not just come up with original stuff.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I suspect it was possibly banned because someone being overly PC complained.

    You do have every female in the quest in minimum clothing so it strikes me someone may have taken exception to that. Not me, I only added the amused comment to the original quest... "lots of scantily clad women." And rated it at 4 stars. Mainly I suppose because it was a bit longer to play through than I expected.

    But I'll guess the scantily clad females are the source of the ban. Otherwise it actually seemed to be fairly well paced on about par with any normal mission.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • northwind2008northwind2008 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2013
    terradraconis wrote: »
    I suspect it was possibly banned because someone being overly PC complained.

    You do have every female in the quest in minimum clothing so it strikes me someone may have taken exception to that. Not me, I only added the amused comment to the original quest... "lots of scantily clad women." And rated it at 4 stars. Mainly I suppose because it was a bit longer to play through than I expected.

    But I'll guess the scantily clad females are the source of the ban. Otherwise it actually seemed to be fairly well paced on about par with any normal mission.
    Then they would need to get rid of female graphics in game and only make male characters.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    northwind2008 wrote: »
    Then they would need to get rid of female graphics in game and only make male characters.

    I'm mearly mentioning that I can see someone complaining. It was rather excessive on the under dressed females.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • northwind2008northwind2008 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2013
    terradraconis wrote: »
    I'm mearly mentioning that I can see someone complaining. It was rather excessive on the under dressed females.
    True..............but then they would need to ban every player character that created a female that runs around with no clothing on.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    terradraconis wrote: »
    I suspect it was possibly banned because someone being overly PC complained.

    You do have every female in the quest in minimum clothing so it strikes me someone may have taken exception to that. Not me, I only added the amused comment to the original quest... "lots of scantily clad women." And rated it at 4 stars. Mainly I suppose because it was a bit longer to play through than I expected.

    But I'll guess the scantily clad females are the source of the ban. Otherwise it actually seemed to be fairly well paced on about par with any normal mission.

    This exactly. Just for saftey sake. Put more clothes on the slaves. And to avoid the PC police rename slaves to captives. Just to hedge your bets
  • northwind2008northwind2008 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2013
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    This exactly. Just for saftey sake. Put more clothes on the slaves. And to avoid the PC police rename slaves to captives. Just to hedge your bets
    What about any atheists playing the game? You need to pray once a day to earn buffs and other items, would PWE remove this for being offensive to them?

    Too much being politically correct. Don't like the game, don't play. Don't like scantily clad women, dont run this foundry quest.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    This exactly. Just for saftey sake. Put more clothes on the slaves. And to avoid the PC police rename slaves to captives. Just to hedge your bets

    Exactly, I'm trying to help by pointing out one of the things that might have generated complaints. As I said not from me but I could easily see people who would complain about it. I mean all you have to do is think about those 3 poor girls found in Cleveland last night to know why some people are overly sensitive.

    I had no problem with the mission or goal of freeing the slaves and I didn't have a problem with the scantily clad females though I did think that it was a bit on the umm, excessive side. The scantily clad bit I mean.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • kimonagikimonagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Who would have tought that we would have a morality police in a game where we kill thousands of humanoids.
  • robertthebardrobertthebard Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    adrynb wrote: »
    playing devil's advocate here.
    No idea if 'hyborian' is a copyrighted term, but you really need to check everything you use from another work of fiction.
    Why not just come up with original stuff.

    If, as the OP said, it was banned for copyright, then this is going to wind up the same way. Hyborian, and all things Conan belong to whomever wound up with the rights after Robert E. Howard died, and you're right back where you started. Take your names from D&D literature if you can't come up with something that doesn't seem overly silly to you. Since this is advertised as D&D, you should be able to use things from the setting w/out setting off any flags, I'd think.
    Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    northwind2008 wrote: »
    What about any atheists playing the game? You need to pray once a day to earn buffs and other items, would PWE remove this for being offensive to them?

    Too much being politically correct. Don't like the game, don't play. Don't like scantily clad women, dont run this foundry quest.

    Im simply considering the ratings issue. All UGC needs to be teen rated. This is in thier rules. Praying isnt going to harm ratings. Slave girls most likely will. But few can get upset at rescueing captives. A minor change can make huge difference
  • tfangeltfangel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Can we not get into a thread about what is/isn't PC and over exaggerate things but stick to the what the OP posted?

    I liked previous versions of the quest, didn't feel like a "farming" quest, had a story line, purpose to do things, and not just mobs stacked up for XP, so i'm betting it was a better safe than being sued over the Spartacus things. Sad that companies have to be so twitchy, but they do.

    For what it's worth, i'm glad you have stuck with it and update it pretty frequently.
  • elyrielleelyrielle Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Glad to see it's back, people need to not be discussing why they think it was gone. Nobody knows, and we're not supposed to talk about it (that's what got the last thread locked).
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hyborian is not copyrighted.
    Half-nude girls was taken right from foundry (i just maked some tweaks here and there).
    It was Spartacus copyright issue (i think).

    Anyway, quest should be playable in some time after gm-s checking.

    Btw. new avatar is ready :)
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    volcxxx wrote: »
    Hyborian is not copyrighted.
    Half-nude girls was taken right from foundry (i just maked some tweaks here and there).
    It was Spartacus copyright issue (i think).

    Anyway, quest should be playable in some time after gm-s checking.

    Btw. new avatar is ready :)

    You where wondering what might have gotten version 1 banned and I pointed out that some people take exception to the half naked girls. And yes I know the model for them is in the foundry system but that doesn't always mean it's a wise choice to use it.

    On the other claw it is your adventure so build it how you want.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • kimonagikimonagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Think the OP just wants to create quests that captures the feel you get from fantasy settings like Conan or tales of warriors like in the greek mythology.

    Biggest issue seems to be giving the quest a name that captures that spirit without using pre-existing name.
  • tremayne3tremayne3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    Wait wasnt Spartacus some sort of historical figure how can he be copyrighted . I like your old mish :<
    Meh suppose Cryptic has got to play it safe after all that Marvel <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> in City of Heroes :I

    Good to see it back up ^__^

    Spartacus himself was a historical figure... let's just say that some of the other NPCs in the quest were very clearly based on fictional characters created for the TV series, which most definitely do fall under copyright.

    You can probably get away with a passing reference to Hyboria (I've not played the new version yet) but if the scenario is chock full of references to Howard's work and comes across as an unauthorised Conan story, then you'll probably have IP problems all other again. My best advice is either use Forgotten Realms names and settings, or come up with some of your own, just to be safe. You can advertise the scenario as having a "Hyborian" or "Spartacus" feel to it in your description, no problem - it's just when the whole thing looks like a derivative work that Cryptic have to take it down for their own protection.

    Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer (I'm actually an engineer), but I have had some legal education and discussed IP law with people who are IP lawyers, because that's the sort of sad individual that I am :)
  • edge1986edge1986 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 647 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    terradraconis wrote: »
    You where wondering what might have gotten version 1 banned and I pointed out that some people take exception to the half naked girls. And yes I know the model for them is in the foundry system but that doesn't always mean it's a wise choice to use it.

    On the other claw it is your adventure so build it how you want.

    He already said it was banned for copyright issues. Explain to me how half naked girls taken from the foundry, has anything to do with copyright issues. Thanks.
  • kimonagikimonagi Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    To his defense there is very little of that sort of spirit in the Forgotten Realms were everything is shinny, goody and where every bartender has a +2 dagger hidden under the bar.
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I just want something different from DnD.
    Foundry is great tool, but not everything should be DnD based.

    Hyborean is NOT copyrighted becouse of time passed since it was created ('30 as i remember) - it is simple as that.
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • tremayne3tremayne3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    volcxxx wrote: »
    Hyborean is NOT copyrighted becouse of time passed since it was created ('30 as i remember) - it is simple as that.

    You might want to check that. I didn't think Robert E Howard's works had passed into the public domain yet, mostly because Disney's lobbyists keep getting the US Congress to extend the limits on copyright. As far as I know, Funcom had to pay for a licence to use the Conan IP.
  • tremayne3tremayne3 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    volcxxx wrote: »
    Hyborean is NOT copyrighted becouse of time passed since it was created ('30 as i remember) - it is simple as that.

    You might want to check that. I didn't think Robert E Howard's works had passed into the public domain yet, mostly because Disney's lobbyists keep getting the US Congress to extend the limits on copyright. As far as I know, Funcom had to pay for a licence to use the Conan IP.
  • volcxxxvolcxxx Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Anyway, there are no references in quest to Howard's Conan.

    BTW: using any Drizzt, Elminster or even Lord Neverember or any name used in-game etc. in quests is prohibited too it seems, becouse of copyrigts.

    Even if it is DnD game, foundry makers dont have rights to use names.


    Plain stupid.
    5cm82e.jpg
    Old "Blood and Sand: Unchained" quest
    Played more than 100 000 times!
    > TRY IT NOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ecy4o6JqLc
  • itdude123itdude123 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I liked that it had a disclaimer on the description. WARNING! Partial Nudity


    I thought it fit right in to the theme of the mission and was quite enjoyable, especially the celebration at the end.

    Now if I have to fight a 50ft half naked woman, that may be a bit ... well odd.
  • roadkillaroadkilla Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I ran this the other day and it went pretty good no deaths.
    today I ran it and after the areana the first group up top ganked me.
    then I was freeing the slaves from the tents and the giant from the other area ganked me.
    I guess he thinks he's a rogue now.
    it seems to have been broken with your latest edits.
    with the foundry nerf there will not be any reason to do foundry's any more.
    just a fyi.
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