Nowhere did I say that Paypal PUTS Euro VAT in place of a specific countries VAT. I said it takes a figure given by PWE that already has EURO VAT surcharge added.
Hence the issue, as if you from a European country that doesn't use the Euro this surcharge shouldn't apply but is added anyway.
I understand that there's a number of countries that don't use the Euro. But most of these countries still have a European VAT or a VAT of their own.
PWE doesnt issue any taxes on the game, the taxes come per country. Really how hard is that to figure out?
Seeing as every european country pays the same for the pack it's kinda strange when we all have different VATs... Now explain that... If they "charge per country" as you say, how come we all pay the same when we have different VATs.. hmm..
PWE doesnt issue any taxes on the game, the taxes come per country. Really how hard is that to figure out?
Um, no, yet again you miss the point - I am starting to think you are actually trying to troll.
As a huge number of people pointed out in the original threads on this, when they first started selling the Founder packs PWE simply took the dollar amount, converted it to Euros and added the surcharge to those.
At that time if you tried to buy a $200 Hero of the North pack from Europe it showed 190 Euros when you came to checkout despite the exchange rate being around 0.7ish dollars to the euro. So PWE had simply converted the price to Euros and added the extra surcharge.
If you want more information consult (or even ask in) the other threads you found - it is all there, and I don't think I can explain this more clearly.
In the past PWE did something, so it means that is what is happening now? No He lives in Norway and is wondering why he is paying 25% more then his US counterparts. It is because of the Norway VAT which is 25%
I understand that there's a number of countries that don't use the Euro. But most of these countries still have a European VAT or a VAT of their own.
This is true, but the VAT in other countries is usually less than the EURO rate which is 30%, sometimes by a lot. So it can make say a $20 dollar difference (or even more maybe) on the HOTN pack.
In the past PWE did something, so it means that is what is happening now? No He lives in Norway and is wondering why he is paying 25% more then his US counterparts. It is because of the Norway VAT which is 25%
Which is the higest VAT you can have.. Other countries don't have that.. Some have fairly lower VAT. Switzerland pays 8% VAT for example.. Turkey 18%, UK 20%, I can keep going. Just because the Norwegian VAT is correct doesn't mean everyone elses are.. But still, we all pay the same price for the pack.
Which is the higest VAT you can have.. Other countries don't have that.. Some have fairly lower VAT. Switzerland pays 8% VAT for example.. Turkey 18%, UK 20%, I can keep going. Just because the Norwegian VAT is correct doesn't mean everyone elses are.. But still, we all pay the same price for the pack.
"To make complaints, discuss the specifics or dispute the pricing and VAT, please contact Support or email customerservice@perfectworld.com - The forums are not the place to provide support and discussions about the legal issues and taxes of other Countries, Regions, or the European Trade Union or the EFTA. Furthermore, having such posts which no one but either the parent company themselves or your Government Officials could answer only opens the door for drama and all else that has been seen in this post. Please use the proper means to discuss such as this is not in the hands of Forum Staff, Forum Users, and is most likely something not even under the control of PWE/Cryptic themselves.
Furthermore, trying to skirt around one's Country's Tax Laws is not a legal practice and therefore is not a topic for discussion.
In the past PWE did something, so it means that is what is happening now? No He lives in Norway and is wondering why he is paying 25% more then his US counterparts. It is because of the Norway VAT which is 25%
I can't be bothered to type out a long reply, so let me link to some posts from these forums when the packs were announced which explains the issue using actual calculations :
Which is the higest VAT you can have.. Other countries don't have that.. Some have fairly lower VAT. Switzerland pays 8% VAT for example.. Turkey 18%, UK 20%, I can keep going. Just because the Norwegian VAT is correct doesn't mean everyone elses are.. But still, we all pay the same price for the pack.
Actually this simple argument basically explains everything.
PWE is adding a surcharge to everyone in Europe at the rate of the highest VAT rate for any European country and when questioned saying "contact your government". No explanation why they are charging a 25-35% (depending on the exchange rate) extra for VAT even for those for people who live in countries where the VAT rate is as low as 8%.
Congratulations you on your sheer persistence pboar2006, it is truly impressive.
I can't be bothered to type out a long reply, so let me link to some posts from these forums when the packs were announced which explains the issue using actual calculations :
Congratulations you on your sheer persistence, it is truly impressive.
Dont see how this helps at all. The VAT is what answers the OPs question of why he is paying 25% more. He lives in Norway which does use a VAT of 25%.
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lantadorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited May 2013
Advertising that something costs a certain amount, when in fact it costs 25% more (due to VAT) when you try to pay, is illegal in the EU. You -have- to include VAT in listed pricings for any kind of goods you try to sell, virtual or physical. I know because I've just had a very similar case, right here in my local EU country. You could file a lawsuit against PWE for false marketing in my EU country, right now, and win, no doubt about it, unless the listed pricings are changed. I'm quite amazed they haven't been actually.
To me it would seem PWE needs to change it so that european players pay approx 199 USD in Euros when they try to pay - VAT included - else they are breaking the law the way they have it listed right now.
Advertising that something costs a certain amount, when in fact it costs 25% more (due to VAT) when you try to pay, is illegal in the EU. You -have- to include VAT in listed pricings for any kind of goods you try to sell, virtual or physical. I know because I've just had a very similar case, right here in my local EU country. You could file a lawsuit against PWE for false marketing in my EU country, right now, and win, no doubt about it, unless the listed pricings are changed. I'm quite amazed they haven't been actually.
To me it would seem PWE needs to change it so that european players pay approx 199 USD in Euros when they try to pay - VAT included - else they are breaking the law the way they have it listed right now.
*Shrugs*
Now that is interesting. Which country is that although I assume this law would be EU wide?
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I understand that there's a number of countries that don't use the Euro. But most of these countries still have a European VAT or a VAT of their own.
Seeing as every european country pays the same for the pack it's kinda strange when we all have different VATs... Now explain that... If they "charge per country" as you say, how come we all pay the same when we have different VATs.. hmm..
Um, no, yet again you miss the point - I am starting to think you are actually trying to troll.
As a huge number of people pointed out in the original threads on this, when they first started selling the Founder packs PWE simply took the dollar amount, converted it to Euros and added the surcharge to those.
At that time if you tried to buy a $200 Hero of the North pack from Europe it showed 190 Euros when you came to checkout despite the exchange rate being around 0.7ish dollars to the euro. So PWE had simply converted the price to Euros and added the extra surcharge.
If you want more information consult (or even ask in) the other threads you found - it is all there, and I don't think I can explain this more clearly.
This is true, but the VAT in other countries is usually less than the EURO rate which is 30%, sometimes by a lot. So it can make say a $20 dollar difference (or even more maybe) on the HOTN pack.
Which is the higest VAT you can have.. Other countries don't have that.. Some have fairly lower VAT. Switzerland pays 8% VAT for example.. Turkey 18%, UK 20%, I can keep going. Just because the Norwegian VAT is correct doesn't mean everyone elses are.. But still, we all pay the same price for the pack.
"To make complaints, discuss the specifics or dispute the pricing and VAT, please contact Support or email customerservice@perfectworld.com - The forums are not the place to provide support and discussions about the legal issues and taxes of other Countries, Regions, or the European Trade Union or the EFTA. Furthermore, having such posts which no one but either the parent company themselves or your Government Officials could answer only opens the door for drama and all else that has been seen in this post. Please use the proper means to discuss such as this is not in the hands of Forum Staff, Forum Users, and is most likely something not even under the control of PWE/Cryptic themselves.
Furthermore, trying to skirt around one's Country's Tax Laws is not a legal practice and therefore is not a topic for discussion.
Zebular, PWE Community Moderator"
I can't be bothered to type out a long reply, so let me link to some posts from these forums when the packs were announced which explains the issue using actual calculations :
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?145491-what-kind-of-joke-is-this/page2
Actually this simple argument basically explains everything.
PWE is adding a surcharge to everyone in Europe at the rate of the highest VAT rate for any European country and when questioned saying "contact your government". No explanation why they are charging a 25-35% (depending on the exchange rate) extra for VAT even for those for people who live in countries where the VAT rate is as low as 8%.
Congratulations you on your sheer persistence pboar2006, it is truly impressive.
Dont see how this helps at all. The VAT is what answers the OPs question of why he is paying 25% more. He lives in Norway which does use a VAT of 25%.
To me it would seem PWE needs to change it so that european players pay approx 199 USD in Euros when they try to pay - VAT included - else they are breaking the law the way they have it listed right now.
*Shrugs*
Now that is interesting. Which country is that although I assume this law would be EU wide?