Please consider letting players also develop PvP arena's within Foundry!

maevar1

As an avid PvP'er , I would love to have the ability within the Foundry to design our own PvP maps. In all the games I have played, this is one aspect that has always been a problem. The developers mainly cater to the PvE crowd and PvP'ers are left in the shadows for the most part.

I absolutely love the idea of the Foundry for players to be able to create their own content, but I also feel this should not just be for the PvE side of the game. Please consider showing us PvP'ers some love and let us take charge in expanding the PvP side of Neverwinter. Creation of PvP maps, I would think would be much easier than Quest content, as you are not dealing with all the different variable of most quests, you are simply laying out a playfield with control points.

Please devs, I urge you to give this heavy consideration. It will facilitate keeping another genre of gamers hooked on this great game.

tilt42

I believe this is part of their post-launch plan, but keep reminding them about it so they don't forget.

frontsideblunt

yes please get this going ASAP!

supernaut72

Excellent idea! I really hope they they implement this. I can see it really taking the pressure off the devs to make more PVP maps, and I can only imagine the cool stuff players could come up with.

Cryptic get on this!

agentjaspor

While it's a great idea, there's a lot to consider regarding design and implementation:

How do people queue for them? If it's explicitly for a specific one, then it could be a long time before enough people queue to kick off a match.
Will ratings be involved for this type of content? If so, what does it effect?
Who will make sure the map is fair and balanced? What's to stop an author from creating a map where one side has a huge advantage over the other? Will Cryptic have to review, playtest, and approve every possible PvP map? If so, that's a lot of extra overhead for them.

Love the idea, but I don't expect to see this anytime soon.

thunderspanker

I want a setting to make the person that dies the most the winner. lol.. I am quite sure that one would be very popular.

I think it would be amazing to make pvp dungeons.. Kill each other to see who can complete the quest first... and have all kinds of weird traps.

elderock67

agentjaspor wrote: »

While it's a great idea, there's a lot to consider regarding design and implementation:

How do people queue for them? If it's explicitly for a specific one, then it could be a long time before enough people queue to kick off a match.
Will ratings be involved for this type of content? If so, what does it effect?
Who will make sure the map is fair and balanced? What's to stop an author from creating a map where one side has a huge advantage over the other? Will Cryptic have to review, playtest, and approve every possible PvP map? If so, that's a lot of extra overhead for them.

Love the idea, but I don't expect to see this anytime soon.

All great points worth some good answers (of which I have none). I do think this would be a addition to the game and would bring in plenty of more people. Even adding some pve traps/spawn spots for monsters to attack whoever is in the area for some added sport. If rewards were similar to pve dungeons (random trash loot /cash) then balance wouldn't matter as much.

supernaut72

agentjaspor wrote: »

While it's a great idea, there's a lot to consider regarding design and implementation:

How do people queue for them? If it's explicitly for a specific one, then it could be a long time before enough people queue to kick off a match.
Will ratings be involved for this type of content? If so, what does it effect?
Who will make sure the map is fair and balanced? What's to stop an author from creating a map where one side has a huge advantage over the other? Will Cryptic have to review, playtest, and approve every possible PvP map? If so, that's a lot of extra overhead for them.

Love the idea, but I don't expect to see this anytime soon.

I've already thought about some of this stuff, and there's definitely a lot to consider. It would obviously have to work a differently than PVE dungeons, but I think it could be done.

To start with you would have to have some restrictions and limitations on how they are constructed. Perhaps a template system could be used, where you could choose from some preset map designs, and then customize them from there.

For testing and implementation, you could put foundry PVP maps on a different queuing system, separate from the regular PVE dungeons and PVP maps. Groups of players could queue for them, try them out, and rate them. A matchmaking system could be used to allow players to get put in whichever maps have people playing in them. At this stage you would have to change the reward system so the maps were not exploitable. Perhaps you could do like what elderock67 said, and just give people a little bit of cash and loot or something. Not anything major, just something to make it worth your time to test them out.

However, later on you could have high rated maps get featured, just like regular PVE foundry missions. From there they could apply to get the map moved to regular PVP rotation. It would require some work on the devs part, but it would certainly be a lot less work then making new maps from scratch on their own.

Again, there's a lot of details that would have to be worked out, but I think it possible.

thunderspanker

If you had some freedom with the maps, the pvp arenas that could be created would be outstanding.. Limiting the number of rooms might be wise, but the type of rooms should be left open. It doesnt have to be just one big room. The current STO way to challenge someone is pretty outstanding to me.. It puts you in a preset area, that you can pick, and then you have to first find each other to fight, with all kinds of stuff flying around out of the floor. (I like ground combat). Being able to build a dungeon, and then allow a goal of some kind, and a big fight for it, would be awesome.

maevar1

I actually think it would be really simple to make the maps even. If you think about it rationally, the players really only need to create half of the map. You place the center node on any edge of the map, and the Foundry tool, will recreate the map you have created as the other half of the map. That way you have a completely symmetrical map and no one will be able to create any map with an advantage. Furthermore, you will want to put a size limit on the size of the arena as a whole, to limit the amount of running from node to node, spending more time doing that than actually PvP'ing.

These definitely would need to be placed in a separate queue, at least at first. Allow the players to vote on the ones they like the most and then they could be added to the normal queue. Maybe give each arena a ranking system that requires it get so many votes before it is eligible for upgrade to normal queue. I am sure there are remedies to most issues, but I don't think for a second that this cannot be done, or would not benefit the game a great deal, especially for PvP'ers.

ambisinisterr

maevar1 wrote: »

I actually think it would be really simple to make the maps even.

Rule number one, if you say it's simple it's not.

However as for the larger topic at hand, it's already being considered. Your wish is granted.
I believe Zeke even talks about it at some point in this video although I'm not having a lot of luck finding it.

deathssickle

I hope we can have more types of PvP eventually maybe 5V5 or 10v10 capture the flag. Some classic stuff, cause domination just isnt going to work if thats all there is.

I am more of a PvE person, but occasionally I like to PvP

thunderspanker

ambisinisterr wrote: »

Rule number one, if you say it's simple it's not.

However as for the larger topic at hand, it's already being considered. Your wish is granted.
I believe Zeke even talks about it at some point in this video although I'm not having a lot of luck finding it.

And there was a momentary calm, as everyone just took this in, contemplating custom designed warfare across the Forgotten Realms...

mokomii

*dreams*
Having a pvp battleground que where you que for a random player made battleground. It'll be like mercenary contract work.

frontsideblunt

Even further, I would like to see 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5. Gotta have 2v2 though. Most of all I would love to see an arena for friends to fight 1v1.

grimok1

I am not a big PVPer, but this would be awesome and would get me to try it more!

chili1179

I agree with this, specifically so I can create a Warsong Gulch map. You know you want it.

badbotlimit

<puts fan/author hat on>
I wish I could add more to this thread but all I can really say is /agree

wininoid

It would be fun to make some assault/defend maps too. One team holding a keep while the other tries to break in.

mokomii

A great idea is to have game types, Defend, pvp and pve mixed into one,etc.
Something else I would love is (At least the guys who made the map itself) See what team has a higher win rate. the teams are random so it should always be 50/50 or 33/33/33 or how ever many different teams you have. Basically show what side is having some kind of advantage.

mokomii

badbotlimit wrote: »

<puts fan/author hat on>
i wish i could add more to this thread but all i can really say is /agree

it's like an angle coming down and nodding it's head! Squeeeeee!

jestal1

Just want to chim in and say, yes please more pvp stuff.

thunderspanker

chim chiminee chim chiminee chim chim charoo, im pretty happy, oh dickerydoo.

demiurgerealm

I think it would be a lot of fun to design battlegrounds with different PvP challenges, count me in.

bobcat1313

badbotlimit wrote: »

<puts fan/author hat on>
I wish I could add more to this thread but all I can really say is /agree

*Hoopty puts Dev hat on*
hmmmm lets go get beers... wrong hat!!!
oh there it is... man that Hoopty is pretty awesome!

Ok back to reality, this would be really cool. I don't like pvp that much, unless its 3 faction, but this this would be awesome.

celantra

Robobo, nothing more need be said. As I have said in previous discussions around this topic. Way kewl idea. As long as its on the list I am satisfied for now.