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let us derp around in the charactor creator at least or better yet the foundry ! or release some more info your releaseing it far to slowly. These tiny tiny chunks of info released every 2-3 weeks is maddening lol. I need something to feed the nwn craveing, before it becomes The Hunger.Please dont make me force my friends into larping nwn beta
... they just wouldnt understand.
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ssantiagoxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You are wrong here. They have always made it clear even during Torchlight's II beta keys; even PAX Prime beta keys(both came before LTS confirmation), that beta will be in phases and it is not guaranteed day 1 access.
I don't really like cryptic's marketing team, however I cannot be unfair to them - they were very vocal in making it clear.
I would love to see proof of this. You could be right but to my knowledge phases were never mentioned in any meaningful or "clear" way until the edit of the OP for this thread. Before then it was mentioned in the other "anxiety" thread in this passing sentence:
"When Beta Phases have been announced, rest assured, this thread and others will be updated with pertinent information."
So the lead up to all of this was definitely not implying that you would essentially get what appears to be some token beta access period.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the scalability issues with beta programs and I understand delays. I have NO problems with those. What I do have problems with are when beta's are used as a tool to sell and market and then the perception generated is distinctly different than the reality. That's when it goes from fair business practices to shady dealings on the marketing side.
It's not a huge deal, after all it's only beta for a game, but for those of us who are involved and excited it's a little annoying and leaves a bad taste after all is said and done. ;D
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I would love to see proof of this. You could be right but to my knowledge phases were never mentioned in any meaningful or "clear" way until the edit of the OP for this thread. Before then it was mentioned in the other "anxiety" thread in this passing sentence:
"When Beta Phases have been announced, rest assured, this thread and others will be updated with pertinent information."
So the lead up to all of this was definitely not implying that you would essentially get what appears to be some token beta access period.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the scalability issues with beta programs and I understand delays. I have NO problems with those. What I do have problems with are when beta's are used as a tool to sell and market and then the perception generated is distinctly different than the reality. That's when it goes from fair business practices to shady dealings on the marketing side.
It's not a huge deal, after all it's only beta for a game, but for those of us who are involved and excited it's a little annoying and leaves a bad taste after all is said and done. ;D
Other than that, since the old articles are no longer around, you're just going to have to take my word for it. So far, all the keys released (except for the ones at the conventions) have specifically stated that they will grant a "phased" access. It's either been said in the material they were published or sent out with, or had been officially stated on these forums.
You are wrong here. They have always made it clear even during Torchlight's II beta keys; even PAX Prime beta keys(both came before LTS confirmation), that beta will be in phases and it is not guaranteed day 1 access.
I don't really like cryptic's marketing team, however I cannot be unfair to them - they were very vocal in making it clear.
I am absolutely convinced that so called "closed beta" is happening right now, and its called Alpha Testing. By the time they decide to start sending out any kind of invites for Beta it will be nothing but a one or two week tool to make sure the server can handle a larger population. Any and all testing they want to do is being done right now.
All of the marketing ploys mentioning beta access were just that. Marketing ploys. By the time the so called beta rolls around it won't amount to anything other than an "early access" server stress test. I strongly believe that we are all going to feel duped. In fact I for one, already do and have for quite sometime.
I guess time will tell, but as the old mantra goes... Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice (or a dozen times) shame on me.
"""For pre-ordering Torchlight II, you are guaranteed access to the Closed Beta for Neverwinter. As we approach the launch of the Closed Beta, more information will be sent to you regarding how and when you can download the game."""
That is a direct quote taken from my Email inbox on May 6th 2012. 9 months ago.
No offense, but please be aware of all the facts and history of the situation many of us are upset about before you comment.
Would we have purchased TL2 if the sales pich said "By pre-ordering TL2, you have a small chance of gaining access to some form of phased beta testing a few days before it launches a year from now"?
Negative.
Marketing Ploy.
Period.
No offense, but please don't demand the facts when yours are so wrong beforehand.
That is nothing but pure speculation on my part. There has been no official comment by PWE or Cryptic implying such an opinion. Last thing I want to be responsible for is bursting anyone's bubble.
I just want everyone to be aware how they do things around here. I felt the same way you did 9 months ago. I don't want to be a bitter berry about it, but at this point it is becoming more and more dificult to be optomistic
This is more like it. If it's your opinion, pure speculation, make it absolutely clear that is so. While you certainly didn't give the appearance of speaking for a community, the first of your posts suggested some authority that simply wasn't there with info which simply isn't true. If you have prior testing experience and/or development experience to back up your SPECULATION, or OPINION, that needs to be stated along with the emphasized words.
Else leave the describing to those who have said experience and exposure from here or elsewhere. I'm sorry if this comes across harsh, but I'm cracking down on everybody doing this, as other threads can show.
I would love to see proof of this. You could be right but to my knowledge phases were never mentioned in any meaningful or "clear" way until the edit of the OP for this thread. Before then it was mentioned in the other "anxiety" thread in this passing sentence:
"When Beta Phases have been announced, rest assured, this thread and others will be updated with pertinent information."
So the lead up to all of this was definitely not implying that you would essentially get what appears to be some token beta access period.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the scalability issues with beta programs and I understand delays. I have NO problems with those. What I do have problems with are when beta's are used as a tool to sell and market and then the perception generated is distinctly different than the reality. That's when it goes from fair business practices to shady dealings on the marketing side.
It's not a huge deal, after all it's only beta for a game, but for those of us who are involved and excited it's a little annoying and leaves a bad taste after all is said and done. ;D
Just came back to read this.
Search the Ask developers thread where stomshade answered about it. I will do it for you. Keep an eye on edits here.
EDIT1: lol. Already ninjaed by zeb - saw after I post it. But let me give SS's link to post as it has not been brought up by these two mods.
Back in 2011:
I don't think we'll be guaranteeing beta access for Lifetime Subs of our other game to Neverwinter. If that does change, we';ll make sure to let you all know.
Thanks,
Stormshade
This changed when this was announced in...
(grrr... how many slangs do you guys have for Life time subscribers...)
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Hey Folks,
Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
BWAHAHAHAHA! Worship t34 search g0d!!!
(sorry by my nerd language is not very developed. Any inputs to make above statement more nerdy is welcome)
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
BWAHAHAHAHA! Worship t34 search g0d!!!
(sorry by my nerd language is not very developed. Any inputs to make above statement more nerdy is welcome)
ssantiagoxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited January 2013
The real announcement about closed beta access for lifers:
"Greetings Champions!
We are happy to announce that all Champions Online Lifetime Subscribers will be receiving access to the Neverwinter Closed Beta test*. *When this testing phase begins, invites will be doled out to Lifetime Subscribers over the course of the test.
If you are not a Lifetime Subscriber and would like to become one, check out this page."
Soliciting a significant purchase in order to get into closed beta. Sure it says over the course of the test (mentions nothing about temporary phases btw) but. well, I just hope it's handled well and fairly.
... Sure it says over the course of the test (mentions nothing about temporary phases btw) but...
Even if you are pleading ignorance after I did all that hard work to find a clear quote by stormshade, you are contradicting yourself. It clearly mentions "over course of test" which clearly means "not day 1 access".
And the fact that it would not be "day 1 access" was all over the forums. And this last statement can be proved.
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liquadiaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 7Arc User
edited January 2013
Hey guys! I am an X GM With StarVaults game called Mortal Online and I really enjoy the testing phase with games, and I am wondering if anyone would like to give me the opportunity to test this game asap. Yes this does look great! and would like to be part of something great...
Honestly I thought people were going to eviscerate this thread way more. Nice restraint folks.
Everyone is entitled to do their begging for beta key anyway they want.
However, location is the problem as it makes you click things you don't expect there.
Also, just saying my opinion, but cryptic would be more interested in "raw audience" to get "new comers" view on foundry/game for if they want expert's view, they already know many family and friends in buisness to get that kind of viewpoint...
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shiaikaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
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So do I!
Me too!
Me too!
Me too!
This city promises death for the meek, glory for the bold, danger for all, and riches for Jade!
Elven Trickster Rogue: Two-bladed elf, tons of stabby stabby and that sort of thing...
| R. A. Salvatore | My Minions | Forgotten Realms Wiki | Elven Translator |
*sees the crowd going wild*
Me three!
Me three!
Me three!
Me three!
*whispers*
'what is it about, and why I have to type four times?'
Aye!
Aye!
Aye!
Aye!
(F)Aye(v)!
... they just wouldnt understand.
I would love to see proof of this. You could be right but to my knowledge phases were never mentioned in any meaningful or "clear" way until the edit of the OP for this thread. Before then it was mentioned in the other "anxiety" thread in this passing sentence:
"When Beta Phases have been announced, rest assured, this thread and others will be updated with pertinent information."
So the lead up to all of this was definitely not implying that you would essentially get what appears to be some token beta access period.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the scalability issues with beta programs and I understand delays. I have NO problems with those. What I do have problems with are when beta's are used as a tool to sell and market and then the perception generated is distinctly different than the reality. That's when it goes from fair business practices to shady dealings on the marketing side.
It's not a huge deal, after all it's only beta for a game, but for those of us who are involved and excited it's a little annoying and leaves a bad taste after all is said and done. ;D
Both of these state that it will be phased, in their own words (doled out):
http://co.perfectworld.com/news/?name=co-node-595755
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=573891
Other than that, since the old articles are no longer around, you're just going to have to take my word for it. So far, all the keys released (except for the ones at the conventions) have specifically stated that they will grant a "phased" access. It's either been said in the material they were published or sent out with, or had been officially stated on these forums.
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This is accurate
This is not
No offense, but please don't demand the facts when yours are so wrong beforehand.
This is more like it. If it's your opinion, pure speculation, make it absolutely clear that is so. While you certainly didn't give the appearance of speaking for a community, the first of your posts suggested some authority that simply wasn't there with info which simply isn't true. If you have prior testing experience and/or development experience to back up your SPECULATION, or OPINION, that needs to be stated along with the emphasized words.
Else leave the describing to those who have said experience and exposure from here or elsewhere. I'm sorry if this comes across harsh, but I'm cracking down on everybody doing this, as other threads can show.
You are confused between the terms Alpha and INTERNAL testing.
When I was not allowed to mention Alpha's ongoing and used the term internal testing, it was to suggest what you are now.
Alpha testing while traditionally had been internal testing, has not always been company only. Alpha is simply the devlopment stage before beta.
Just came back to read this.
Search the Ask developers thread where stomshade answered about it. I will do it for you. Keep an eye on edits here.
EDIT1: lol. Already ninjaed by zeb - saw after I post it. But let me give SS's link to post as it has not been brought up by these two mods.
Back in 2011: This changed when this was announced in...
(grrr... how many slangs do you guys have for Life time subscribers...)
post 222351
Thread 6901
YAYA!!!
Goldmine - post 128541
Please do, I looked for it but this headache isn't allowing me to find much without getting put off at it. Thanks!
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http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?6901-CO-STO-Lifetimers-Closed-Beta-Access&p=128541&viewfull=1#post128541
BWAHAHAHAHA! Worship t34 search g0d!!!
(sorry by my nerd language is not very developed. Any inputs to make above statement more nerdy is welcome)
Awesome, thanks for finding that!
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I will accept newly born yet warm ... waffles. [what were you expecting?]
"Greetings Champions!
We are happy to announce that all Champions Online Lifetime Subscribers will be receiving access to the Neverwinter Closed Beta test*. *When this testing phase begins, invites will be doled out to Lifetime Subscribers over the course of the test.
If you are not a Lifetime Subscriber and would like to become one, check out this page."
Soliciting a significant purchase in order to get into closed beta. Sure it says over the course of the test (mentions nothing about temporary phases btw) but. well, I just hope it's handled well and fairly.
Even if you are pleading ignorance after I did all that hard work to find a clear quote by stormshade, you are contradicting yourself. It clearly mentions "over course of test" which clearly means "not day 1 access".
And the fact that it would not be "day 1 access" was all over the forums. And this last statement can be proved.
> that way, 10 miles down the road.
Beta key information(and ranting) goes here:-
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?21971-The-Beta-Anxiety-Thread!-(Read-OP-for-Beta-Info!)
For introduction to NW community, make a thread here:-
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?693-Introductions
It feels like i've been waiting for eons :P
Soon
Sorry, was just to tempting
Everyone is entitled to do their begging for beta key anyway they want.
However, location is the problem as it makes you click things you don't expect there.
Also, just saying my opinion, but cryptic would be more interested in "raw audience" to get "new comers" view on foundry/game for if they want expert's view, they already know many family and friends in buisness to get that kind of viewpoint...
What is your naughty drow avatar holding in hand? A whip?
It is obviously a gold colored watering can with water coming out...
Foundry Content:Guide - Custom Channels and List (NW-DHBU9OTOS)
Asset upgrading poll.
Hmm... isn't that a lot of water(14 pixels) for a can(3 pixels)?
And to what evil purpose can a drow use it??!!??