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What's the best way to upgrade Enchantments?

strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
edited May 2022 in General Discussion (PC)
So I'm a bit confused after having returned after a LONG hiatus, I know many didn't like the changes to Enchantments when it released many months ago.

Yet while I had a few higher rank R14 enchantments, most ALTs aside from perhaps my 2-3 main had mostly R10-R11; maybe the odd R12.


So what is the best way to upgrade enchantments, I ask because it seems Uncommon (New) give a 0% chance to upgrade. I just recall friends saying at the time they stopped buying Uncommon, cause they wasted a lot of Pres Wards. I do have Coal's yet the chance has to be at least 0.1% or even they'd never upgrade... :'(

Is this truely the upgrade chance, because it doesn't even identify a 0.1-0.5% chance; which still likely isn't worth Pres Wards. The only saving grace, I've heard is that if you get one to Mythic you can reclaim it on ALTs. And I doubt the chance is even that great for Rare ones, so hence the question...

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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,424 Arc User
    edited May 2022
    It is 0% (as the "based" percentage") for enchantment upgrade. The mote defines what the percentage will be. The only mote that "make sense" is the c-mote which gives 100%. No ward is required.

    p-ward only makes sense to be used is to upgrade Artifact and Artifact Equipment.

    Yes, when you upgrade the enchantment to Mystic, you can trade that ONE enchantment (which is unbound and can be sold) to get ONE account wide enchantment of the same type and that will be character bound (can't be sold) for every alt characters.

    i.e. if you trade one cobalt for account wide, every character can get one cobalt.
    If you trade two cobalt for account wide, every character can get two cobalt.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    Okay well thanks, that's kind of what I figured, got to use Coal's.

    Just thought they'd at least give 0.1-0.5% chance even if you had to use several 100x Ward's. I heard someone say they got one to Very Rare with 80 once. Yet they must have also gotten very lucky.

    While I've seen a few Enchantments I've got Enchantments (bound to Character) perhaps 2-3 for my 3 main's; depending how the older Legacy Campaigns award.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,424 Arc User
    strathkin said:

    Okay well thanks, that's kind of what I figured, got to use Coal's.

    Just thought they'd at least give 0.1-0.5% chance even if you had to use several 100x Ward's. I heard someone say they got one to Very Rare with 80 once. Yet they must have also gotten very lucky.

    While I've seen a few Enchantments I've got Enchantments (bound to Character) perhaps 2-3 for my 3 main's; depending how the older Legacy Campaigns award.

    As far as I know, there is no 80% mote. You can check all the mote in AH.
    Green is 1%.
    Blue is 2%
    Purple is 5%
    Orange is 10%
    Cyan is 100% (Cole - mote)

    You cannot stack them.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited May 2022
    plasticbat said:

    As far as I know, there is no 80% mote. You can check all the mote in AH.
    Green is 1%.
    Blue is 2%
    Purple is 5%
    Orange is 10%
    Cyan is 100% (Cole - mote)

    You cannot stack them.

    I recall that, I meant the Glyph's not the Motes, will slotting those increase upgrade chances a bit? As shown in my earlier image.

    Still thank you, been very kind answering my questions.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,424 Arc User
    edited May 2022
    strathkin said:

    plasticbat said:

    As far as I know, there is no 80% mote. You can check all the mote in AH.
    Green is 1%.
    Blue is 2%
    Purple is 5%
    Orange is 10%
    Cyan is 100% (Cole - mote)

    You cannot stack them.

    I recall that, I meant the Glyph's not the Motes, will slotting those increase upgrade chances a bit? As shown in my earlier image.

    Still thank you, been very kind answering my questions.
    No, Glyph is just a regent. You have to have them (the same as RP and gold) in order to upgrade.
    It does not give you anything related to chance.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...
  • stryker80#0653 stryker80
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    strathkin said:

    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...

    "Ancient" enchants are just RP at this point. They really should have been removed from the game with the whole rework, but rather than spend the time to hunt down all the sources and change the rewards to something new, they just got renamed.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,424 Arc User
    strathkin said:

    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...

    1. There is no point to upgrade Ancient enchantment. You will just be wasting resource.
    2. To upgrade Ancient enchantment, you can still use Pres Ward.
    3. There is no point to upgrade Ancient enchantment. You will just be wasting resource.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,154 Arc User
    strathkin said:

    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...

    Pres wards are used to protect individual reagent slots instead of the entire upgrade the way they used to work. The downside is, if you ward all 3 slots and fail, the process eats a ward from each slot instead of just one, like the process implies.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    strathkin said:

    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...

    Pres wards are used to protect individual reagent slots instead of the entire upgrade the way they used to work. The downside is, if you ward all 3 slots and fail, the process eats a ward from each slot instead of just one, like the process implies.
    Yea and I learned the hard way that a Rank 7 Weapon or Armor Enchant isn't worth upgrading, as you can't use Pres but only Coal and the cost of 1000 ZEN wasted just to get the Illusion isn't worth it.

    Though I had several many all R8-R15 that I got the Illusion plus some Enchantment Medallions. Most my toons though having not played for 2+ years, are still just mostly 37k or barely almost there. I was really hoping to get into Sharandar, and despite buying all 1600 gear on Auction; and many having all Very Rare Mount Insignia (at least) I still have a little ways to go.

    So Might need to buy 1-2 Rare Collars, as well as a few Rare Enchantments. Unless someone else has a better idea? I did play Vallenhaus before, yet didn't progress very far before I gave up for awhile... Now I'm trying to advance on 3 of my most played toons mostly: Paladin, Wizard, Ranger, and then my Elven Cleric.

    Suggestions on how to best GEAR up over 40k, be welcome but I'll probably start a new thread.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,424 Arc User
    edited May 2022
    strathkin said:

    greywynd said:

    strathkin said:

    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...

    Pres wards are used to protect individual reagent slots instead of the entire upgrade the way they used to work. The downside is, if you ward all 3 slots and fail, the process eats a ward from each slot instead of just one, like the process implies.
    Yea and I learned the hard way that a Rank 7 Weapon or Armor Enchant isn't worth upgrading, as you can't use Pres but only Coal and the cost of 1000 ZEN wasted just to get the Illusion isn't worth it.

    Though I had several many all R8-R15 that I got the Illusion plus some Enchantment Medallions. Most my toons though having not played for 2+ years, are still just mostly 37k or barely almost there. I was really hoping to get into Sharandar, and despite buying all 1600 gear on Auction; and many having all Very Rare Mount Insignia (at least) I still have a little ways to go.

    So Might need to buy 1-2 Rare Collars, as well as a few Rare Enchantments. Unless someone else has a better idea? I did play Vallenhaus before, yet didn't progress very far before I gave up for awhile... Now I'm trying to advance on 3 of my most played toons mostly: Paladin, Wizard, Ranger, and then my Elven Cleric.

    Suggestions on how to best GEAR up over 40k, be welcome but I'll probably start a new thread.
    I think you don't understand how Pres ward works. Ward is not the same as mote. When Ward is used, it is placed in the left most slots (usually, there are 3 of them).

    Ward is for protection and not for chance. Mote is for chance. That is why Cole-"ward" became Cole-mote.
    Ward is consumed when refine fails. Mote is consumed when refine successes.



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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited May 2022
    Yes, thank you. Now I understand, I was trying to slot them where Mote's were as that used to say Ward's; either a Coal Ward, or a Pres Ward was the choice. Now you either use a Pres Ward, on the left or what they now call a Coalescent Mote on the right.
    plasticbat said:

    strathkin said:

    greywynd said:

    strathkin said:

    Okay that's kind of what I thought, I was surprised to learn even Ancient Enchantments; no longer use Pres Ward's either. Know I got to learn what they are even used for...

    Pres wards are used to protect individual reagent slots instead of the entire upgrade the way they used to work. The downside is, if you ward all 3 slots and fail, the process eats a ward from each slot instead of just one, like the process implies.
    Now I see why they require 3 each attempt, that's a lot more clear. Maybe I can then upgrade more of my Uncommon Enchantments now. Yet Nitocris83's comments here confused me yet again.

    https://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/post/quote/1264423/Discussion_1264423

    She seems to suggest your supposed to use Pres Ward's even when you use Coal's? So that confused me yet again, if the Pres Protects the Glyph's, why use a Coal?

    Still so much to learn after being away for 2+ years...

    Yea and I learned the hard way that a Rank 7 Weapon or Armor Enchant isn't worth upgrading, as you can't use Pres but only Coal and the cost of 1000 ZEN wasted just to get the Illusion isn't worth it.

    Though I had several many all R8-R15 that I got the Illusion plus some Enchantment Medallions. Most my toons though having not played for 2+ years, are still just mostly 37k or barely almost there. I was really hoping to get into Sharandar, and despite buying all 1600 gear on Auction; and many having all Very Rare Mount Insignia (at least) I still have a little ways to go.

    So Might need to buy 1-2 Rare Collars, as well as a few Rare Enchantments. Unless someone else has a better idea? I did play Vallenhaus before, yet didn't progress very far before I gave up for awhile... Now I'm trying to advance on 3 of my most played toons mostly: Paladin, Wizard, Ranger, and then my Elven Cleric.

    Suggestions on how to best GEAR up over 40k, be welcome but I'll probably start a new thread.
    I think you don't understand how Pres ward works. Ward is not the same as mote. When Ward is used, it is placed in the left most slots (usually, there are 3 of them).

    Ward is for protection and not for chance. Mote is for chance. That is why Cole-"ward" became Cole-mote.
    Ward is consumed when refine fails. Mote is consumed when refine successes.

    Post edited by strathkin on
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