From my understanding these nerfs are a result of data collected from ToMM runs, and I just want to make sure that you (the devs) are looking at it in detail and not just as a whole. For example, not just "Arcanist is doing X% more damage than other classes on average, so lets nerf some of arcanist's class features to balance it out."
That is not where the balance changes can from. They came from data which included a much wider view of the game with lots of different endgame content.
Sorry to disturb you, could we maybe get some insight into if whether the changes on preview for balance, are full and final until mod 19 or whether you will consider other changes (don't need to specify) before mod 18? I am asking so i can plan when i can seriously start playing the game on live. Out of curiosity, why must balance not be touched during mod 18? I think it would be wise to give a small buff and collect data and balance accordingly because otherwise you will stretch balancing for some classes until mod 20. It's not as difficult as Cryptic is making it, it is basically a simple math, much too simple really.
Creeping Death has been brought up a few times in this thread, while there will be patch notes as we get more builds onto preview which will cover bug fixes, this one was both brought up enough in this thread and is changing enough to get a specific call out.
Creeping Death was never going to work ideally for what it was attempting to do. I did experiment with the power for a while before the holidays before deciding to build it a bit differently which would allow it to function properly.
The change is that Creeping Death will deal 10 magnitude damage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds and it will stack 10 times. This will allow the power to continue to do damage while fighting a target which has it applied already and allow for a player to keep it at max stacks doing 100 magnitude every 2 seconds as long as they are continuing to fight the target.
Creeping Death has been brought up a few times in this thread, while there will be patch notes as we get more builds onto preview which will cover bug fixes, this one was both brought up enough in this thread and is changing enough to get a specific call out.
Creeping Death was never going to work ideally for what it was attempting to do. I did experiment with the power for a while before the holidays before deciding to build it a bit differently which would allow it to function properly.
The change is that Creeping Death will deal 10 magnitude damage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds and it will stack 10 times. This will allow the power to continue to do damage while fighting a target which has it applied already and allow for a player to keep it at max stacks doing 100 magnitude every 2 seconds as long as they are continuing to fight the target.
Some Clarification then please. IF the main target has 10 stacks, and the damage is every 2 seconds, does it deal the 100magnitude damage immediately, or only after 2 seconds has passed? Does a new attack refresh the timer? thus preventing the DoT to deal damage at all? Or is there some kind of ICD for applying a stack of creeping death.
My concern is that it sounds a lot like the DoT portion of hellish rebuke, except that it stacks, but the DoT part of hellish rebuke hardly does any damage at all since it is constantly being refreshed, and that's every 1 second, not every 2second
> @raven#3338 said: > (Quote) > I refrain from using Soul Puppet as much as I can. Its damage is ridiculous, it attacks or not, randomly just staying in place (stupid or what? it acts like fighter companions hence it's useless just like them), it attacks whatever it meets in its way, summoning Puppet forces me to use powers I don't like in my rotation, Risky Investment - stacks of SI are built way too slow, by the time I have 2, everything dies AND I noticed Hadar's Grasp used on cursed boss doesn't always grant a stack of SI (bug or WAI because of lazy development?). > Anyways, I stay away from Puppet and my damage is not bad, even though my warlock is a shadow of its own shadow after Mod16 nerf hammer. But I did invest a lot in him regarding stats and it's my main, most favorite class still. With current buffs on preview it looks promising but one thing that comes to my mind is this damn puppt. Building ONLY around puppet is not wise since I know many warlocks that don't use it neither, except for occasional Killing Flames effect. Some people just don't like stuff chasing them (and so I use ioun stone as summoned companion). Puppet cannot be controlled in a way that I could command it to attack, it doesn't tank, it just flies here and there, annoying me as hell. Checked ACT, its contribution to overall warlock's damage is stupid. As said, I have Risky Investment chosen because having puppet sumoned all the time makes me sick. Then why you suggest more powers that can summon puppet? I'd be better to leave it as it is, some players run with puppet some run without it but their damage should be equal, this needs overall more buff to warlock's powers and better synergy. Also, I have two loadouts for Hellbringer, one built around curse's damage and one built around Parting Blasphemy. The first one performs much better regarding damage output. On both I run Risky Investment, for aformentioned reasons. I don't want to have more powers summoning puppet, there are enough. I'd rather see puppet as support, not a center of damage as simply some warlocks don't like to rely on it, the same as some players still use fighter companions and some prefer to do damage on their own. > > On another note, Soulweaver needs MAJOR rework. Like, total, enormous, absolute rework and building from the ground. What it is now is an absolute mess and lame illusion of a healer in a majority of content. I will write up much more about Soulweaver some time soon as I find this paragon fun to play (and I have powerful cleric healer, I like healing but made cleric to have VIABLE healer, thanks devs...) and I really don't like being forced to create another class every time I want to play another role, if my main class has been given two choices.
The simple reason is speed up Risky Investment stack..... Puppet is useless at least we get the encounter power damage output.
The only question for new Creeping Death changes: Can the DoT crit, and is it affected by Power/%dmg buffs/enemy %dmg-taken debuffs? At least I'll have a reason to loadup my warlock on Preview now.
Warlock: Don't want to let you down but I am hell bound. - Imagine Dragons Cleric: You can be an angel of mercy or give in to hate. - Shinedown Wizard: The more the dark consumes me, I pretend I'm burning bright. - Shinedown Barbarian: Am I beautiful... as I tear you to pieces? - In This Moment
Reduce cooldown of our main aggroskills ( punishing charge and come n get it ) they have cd 17.3 seconds. Paladin can spam his main aggro skill 3-4 times in a row because it costs divinity while GF-GWF need to wait 15-17 seconds. Is it fair? Make some mechanics when we are under the rage, we can use aggro skills without cd ( 1 second ) but it will be cost rage.
Give to the barbarian some kind of daily power that can protect the group, some kind of circle of rage to protect idk...
Rework our feats at least for Tank role. The feats of the Barbarian dps and tank role are nightmare !!! They are useless...
The only question for new Creeping Death changes: Can the DoT crit, and is it affected by Power/%dmg buffs/enemy %dmg-taken debuffs? At least I'll have a reason to loadup my warlock on Preview now.
As a magnitude-based derived proc I am expecting it to work same as other ones (ie. bilethorn or striking advantage), that means it should scale with power/buffs/debuffs/crit/CA but time will say. As long the focus is on bugfixing would be great having a fix for tyrannical curse as well, as the damage links does not look to be WAI that is on a capped stat toon.
2 Rogue at-wills are almost never used by end-game players...
General At-Will: Cloud of Steel. suggest increasing magnitude by 5 and changing the effect from adds 2.5% to its own damage each time it hits, to become adds 1% to all damage each time it hits.
Whisperknife At-Will: Disheartening Strike. suggest adding the effect of increasing Stealth Bar by 1% each hit.
These are "low damage" at wills. It would be nice to be able to use them from time to time as a contributing support at-will.
I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
I disagree on the point of mob HP, because it's such an oversimplification on multiple account. ToMM mobs, which is, just the ice, is balanced and LoMM mob HP's are balanced on the level the dungeon is supposed to be played, which is not really a true endgame, but the entrance to it. You can be overleveled for that content, and then of course the mobs will burn like flies. But to make the dungeon grindier for everyone (because it won't be harder, just more time to hit HP sponges) is just to waste everyone's time on it. And if you get through the mobs so fast, you probably burn the bosses way faster than they supposed to be (or your class has not that good of an ST than AoE).
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
I disagree on the point of mob HP, because it's such an oversimplification on multiple account. ToMM mobs, which is, just the ice, is balanced and LoMM mob HP's are balanced on the level the dungeon is supposed to be played, which is not really a true endgame, but the entrance to it. You can be overleveled for that content, and then of course the mobs will burn like flies. But to make the dungeon grindier for everyone (because it won't be harder, just more time to hit HP sponges) is just to waste everyone's time on it. And if you get through the mobs so fast, you probably burn the bosses way faster than they supposed to be (or your class has not that good of an ST than AoE).
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
Tenebrous doesn't add any diversity to classes either, it's just an extra proc which can be abused, like 109k powered soulweaver out dpsing everyone except hr's on aoe. I know it used to be bugged on warlock, and still might be, idk. Which is why I would just suggest removing it, similar to the way they are removing the functionality (bugged or not) that directed flames had, it breaks class balance. If you want more class diversity, add more paragon paths, power and feat selections, not an exogenous enchantment.
To your point about mobs not mattering, that's exactly my point, they should have their hp increased. It's incredibly counter intuitive when LoMM is easier than VT. And if you really think mob's shouldn't matter and LoMM should be completed in 5 minutes, then just remove them from the dungeons entirely.
What winds up happening is what's happening with thaum, balancing the class for content, instead of building content around class balance. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
That aside, what I would want on Arcanist not considering the changes in play is this, 1) Remove Avalanche and replace with Conduit of Ice. 2) Give Entangling Force it's On Tab feature where it pulls in nearby mobs, and adds stacks of Arcane based on number of targets pulled.
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I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
I disagree on the point of mob HP, because it's such an oversimplification on multiple account. ToMM mobs, which is, just the ice, is balanced and LoMM mob HP's are balanced on the level the dungeon is supposed to be played, which is not really a true endgame, but the entrance to it. You can be overleveled for that content, and then of course the mobs will burn like flies. But to make the dungeon grindier for everyone (because it won't be harder, just more time to hit HP sponges) is just to waste everyone's time on it. And if you get through the mobs so fast, you probably burn the bosses way faster than they supposed to be (or your class has not that good of an ST than AoE).
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
Actually some mobs in the first dungeons mattered a lot. Illithid Scourges in Dread Vault, Succubi in Mad Dragon's Lair, pretty much everything in Castle Never, archers, Witherers in Malabog... The fact that people had to deal with mobs that could stunlock you, could fully heal the boss, or take down the tank with ranged attacks made the game much more interesting. The pace was slower but every fight was more meaningful. Now a good team nukes all mobs and burns through bosses. It's not as bad as the end of mod 5 but could still be improved.
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Actually, wizards have less aoe dps than any other dps class. Arcanist has slightly less aoe dps, but it's very random because of Storm Spell and of course Nightmare Wizardry. Arcanist is best paragon for boss fights (without adds), obviously. But that's all.
Thaumaturge has terrible aoe dps: yesterday I ran Spellplague with a Rogue, his dps was twice as much as mine. Thaumaturge is just bad. During mod 16, it used to be best dps paragon (accidently...), after all smolder nerfs/bugs it's the worst. Even Fireball isn't good (long cast, effect area too small, average magnitude and not able to add smolder correctly). The only good feat is Shatter Strike. Fanning the Flame and Ice Storm are useless. Combustion Action is a joke passive power. With planned rework of Directed Flames, Conduct of Ice will become completly useless as well.
Other than Wizard AOE, i think the dev's should consider just balancing ST dps for the other classes. All the non-meta classes are perfectly fine with their aoe.
I don't know if the dev's will reach to this point but i have mentioned some changes previously to arbiter.
We have 2 major bugs in TOMM. The 1mnute Perfect balance bug and the Prophet of Doom procing whenever halaster teleports. Fixing them would be a huge help although our dps more or less will not change.
Other changes which could make arbiter more forgiving is to allow us to maintain our PB stacks even after death. Maybe allow dailies and POD to proc Sudden verdict and Perfect balance? Again, very simple changes but dps wise, arbiter is sitting in a comfortable place. Just need help with gameplay.
I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
I disagree on the point of mob HP, because it's such an oversimplification on multiple account. ToMM mobs, which is, just the ice, is balanced and LoMM mob HP's are balanced on the level the dungeon is supposed to be played, which is not really a true endgame, but the entrance to it. You can be overleveled for that content, and then of course the mobs will burn like flies. But to make the dungeon grindier for everyone (because it won't be harder, just more time to hit HP sponges) is just to waste everyone's time on it. And if you get through the mobs so fast, you probably burn the bosses way faster than they supposed to be (or your class has not that good of an ST than AoE).
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
Tenebrous doesn't add any diversity to classes either, it's just an extra proc which can be abused, like 109k powered soulweaver out dpsing everyone except hr's on aoe. I know it used to be bugged on warlock, and still might be, idk. Which is why I would just suggest removing it, similar to the way they are removing the functionality (bugged or not) that directed flames had, it breaks class balance. If you want more class diversity, add more paragon paths, power and feat selections, not an exogenous enchantment.
To your point about mobs not mattering, that's exactly my point, they should have their hp increased. It's incredibly counter intuitive when LoMM is easier than VT. And if you really think mob's shouldn't matter and LoMM should be completed in 5 minutes, then just remove them from the dungeons entirely.
What winds up happening is what's happening with thaum, balancing the class for content, instead of building content around class balance. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
That aside, what I would want on Arcanist not considering the changes in play is this,
1) Remove Avalanche and replace with Conduit of Ice. 2) Give Entangling Force it's On Tab feature where it pulls in nearby mobs, and adds stacks of Arcane based on number of targets pulled.
About the Tenebrous, in the current form it does not, because it's brokenly powerful. I think Tenebrous should be like 0.02% of HP per Rank (So, 0.3% of your HP on Rank 15), but uncapped, so it will be just an enchant, but it would have a buildaround option for tanks or classes that proc fast.
On the HP, you missed the whole point. Mob should matter, but they don't and getting them more HP just makes people bored of killing them longer. LoMM is a 10 minute dungeon dragged for 15 more minute by menial mobkillling and the only thing more HP achieves is +10 more minute of a trivial task. The whole problem is that because mobs are not a threat or challenging that grinding them down is a waste of time. And you want to waste more time by making them not more difficult, but the easy thing to last longer.
1) I agree that we need CoI on both paragon, but I'd kick out Imprisonment. It should've gone with mod16, but instead it got overhauled for... something. Maybe PvP-ers actually use this, I don't know. Or just give all classes +1 encounter per paragon. But Avalanche is actually useful, because Repel on Tab is just to annoy melee classes. But it actually deals too much damage to not annoy on them, sorry.
2) I think that they learned pre-mod6 that letting players pull mobs together and nuke them is a bad idea. I would like them to fix the point of CC in this game, but... there's a lot of other things they need to fix first.
I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
I disagree on the point of mob HP, because it's such an oversimplification on multiple account. ToMM mobs, which is, just the ice, is balanced and LoMM mob HP's are balanced on the level the dungeon is supposed to be played, which is not really a true endgame, but the entrance to it. You can be overleveled for that content, and then of course the mobs will burn like flies. But to make the dungeon grindier for everyone (because it won't be harder, just more time to hit HP sponges) is just to waste everyone's time on it. And if you get through the mobs so fast, you probably burn the bosses way faster than they supposed to be (or your class has not that good of an ST than AoE).
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
Actually some mobs in the first dungeons mattered a lot. Illithid Scourges in Dread Vault, Succubi in Mad Dragon's Lair, pretty much everything in Castle Never, archers, Witherers in Malabog... The fact that people had to deal with mobs that could stunlock you, could fully heal the boss, or take down the tank with ranged attacks made the game much more interesting. The pace was slower but every fight was more meaningful. Now a good team nukes all mobs and burns through bosses. It's not as bad as the end of mod 5 but could still be improved.
I did not play before mod6, only heard the legends of pushing bosses down ledges and the CC pushing and nuking and why the CW dailies got capped on how much mobs can they pull. I said the FBI, because i played that, but if it was like that, good
April 23, 2019, this date was released mod 16 Undermountain.
January 7, 2020 still discussing issues that were reported in the Mod 16 preview. That's because they promised us quick adjustments, as one of the reasons for the game's simplification was precisely to have that possibility. All I see is improvisation to fix something that has already started wrong, even with numerous warnings.
> @benyr said: > I'm not sure this is strictly the correct forum for this, but class balance seemed to be the most pertinent section. I'd like to know if the Devs are concerned, or have even noticed the complete lack of activity in the Citadel section. No posts at all since the 6th October, no new thread since the 11th September. A quick look in the Fighter and Barbarian sections shows a a similar story, one unanswered post relating to the tanking paragon in the Barbarian forum is the only non DPS post in months. > > This is a sure sign that a large part of the community have disconnected with the game, people are not interested in learning how to tank or sharing best practice, not because the Tank's aren't viable (they are) but because they are so mind numbingly boring to play. This is a game, to play for enjoyment, people don't want to waste their precious leisure time subjecting themselves to the tedium of playing a Tank. Worse still Tomm aside Tanks aren't even needed, 4 decent DPS and a good healer will clear a dungeon way faster. > > Id love to know what percentage of Barbarians, Fighters and Paladins are playing Tanks outside of content that specifies someone has to take the hit. In solo play i bet its near 0% on the two former classes. > > So whilst you are balancing classes, how about balancing your DPS, Tank, Healer Triumvirate and please please do something to make the Paladin less unbearably slow to solo campaigns on.
Tanks in Neverwinter are pure Stress. 90% in Random Queues AD Bonus for Tanks, because no one wants to play. I will write from "Paladin" Justicar point of view. The biggest problem of this game is, that new Players will tend to pick up playing a Tank because of this Bonus - they can really need AD Boost as new players. You see this every day in Chat: Hello, I am new. Which classes are needed? While playing as a Justicar Solo it's maybe slow, but it's fun. Now you play some weeks and spend some bucks and reach the higher Group Content. You are the Utility Class now. Playing a Tank in Neverwinter is scam. Playing Solo, what was fun is totally different from what is expected in Group content. Tanking in Neverwinter is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> style. Doing less, is doing better. Get tons of HP, do the taunts, raise your shield. It is bad by design and I never saw such a bad and stressful tank in any MMO's. That being said, as utility Class you are target of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> Storms doing different from get tons of HP, do the taunts, raise your shield. Now with raising the DPS from the DPS Classes it's even more stress to play as a tank and manage aggro. At this point most new players saying good bye or they discover best of Justicar. You have Oathkeeper Loadout. The Paladin need a third Loadout to play as DPS. We Players dont want to play this passive raise your Shield game. We want to play active. It doesnt matter if we do only half or less damage. It should be doing more, is doing better.
Now I want to tell what is wrong with Justicar in Class detail: It sounds really great to be a Divine Champion. And yes, it is great and fun. But you are no Divine Champion. Some seconds maybe every five minutes. The divinity costs and no way to recover yourself is really really really bad. The only situation you can maintain Divine Champion is, if you are facing more than 20 enemies. Neither Justicar's Bulwark or Divine Pursuit will be able to maintain Divine Champion even if you keep 100% divinity. And this is more worse in reality. Think about an active playstyle Loadout with Baneful Strikes, Divine Pursuit and Bane. As a tank it is your responsibility if your group die. And you have to deal with RNG. You can have 100 hits without free Bane: no aggro = <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> Storm. Really? Responsibility and RNG as a tank? It's really bad design. And even if you get every 10s a free Bane you cant maintain Divine Champion. In reality you will be kicked around every few seconds if you dont block or move around, so it's impossible without At-Wills to procc it every 10s. Because if you block or move around you cant procc. Forget about it. It's only for Solo. You could prevent to be kicked around with Divine Champion. Oh yeah, you cant maintain it. You can't do more than block here without Divine Champion - maybe drink some coffee, eat some cake. Bad design. And you will discover situations at which you ask yourself: Why I am here? You die at content, while your DPS can dodge the Damage to 100% and they doing without you. You could say you need to get tons of HP, do the taunts, raise your shield. Well. I would answer: Do this yourself. The main issues as Justicar: 1. Low Divinity regeneration, Divine Champion shortage 2. It should be doing more, doing better. And not totally different playstyle than on Solo content. 3. RNG elements should be removed for tanks. You are responsable. 4. Where is the Paladin? The Auras seem to be leftovers. So weak, only alibi function. There are no Damage auras. Should it not be better to dodge the hit than to get the hit? (Aura of Vengeance) Again active vs passive Playstyle. 5. Divine Palisade. You can remove the Group Heal. The cone behind you is in reality a nightmare. Your party is doing what they would do alone. They run. It's impossible to help with these heals and from Paladin point of view, you're only getting mad try to help and see only headless chickens running. Again: Divine Champion shortage. You see it rare. If you try to heal with Divine Palisade I saw it often they run from you like "WTF IS THAT" Cone -> Radius or remove and only for the Justicar. 6. If we cannot maintain Divine Champion, we are kicked around. Active Playstyle is impossible and stressfull. This needs to be reworked.
I play now for 1 month. As I saw the videos before Mod 16 I thought: I want to play this. As I saw the Divine Champion first, I thought: YEAH I am Holy man. Huge fun. Now I ended playing Oathkeeper. Justicar/Tank in Neverwinter = Stress. Thanks for reading.
I would just like to see small adjustments made like every 2 weeks or something, waiting an entire mod for adjustments are not acceptable. Mod 17 brought us TOMM, but only 3 real viable DPS classes. This was a mistake in my opinion, the other DPS classes stopped playing or were forced to play another class. We needed some balancing and bug fixing before we got TOMM. Barbarians have plenty of AOE damage, but sadly not a lot of Single Target. We need shorter cooldowns and a huge buff to a single target At-Will.
2. It should be doing more, doing better. And not totally different playstyle than on Solo content.
3. RNG elements should be removed for tanks. You are responsable.
4. Where is the Paladin? The Auras seem to be leftovers. So weak, only alibi function. There are no Damage auras. Should it not be better to dodge the hit than to get the hit? (Aura of Vengeance) Again active vs passive Playstyle.
5. Divine Palisade. You can remove the Group Heal. The cone behind you is in reality a nightmare. Your party is doing what they would do alone. They run. It's impossible to help with these heals and from Paladin point of view, you're only getting mad try to help and see only headless chickens running. Again: Divine Champion shortage. You see it rare. If you try to heal with Divine Palisade I saw it often they run from you like "WTF IS THAT" Cone -> Radius or remove and only for the Justicar.
6. If we cannot maintain Divine Champion, we are kicked around. Active Playstyle is impossible and stressfull. This needs to be reworked.
I play now for 1 month. As I saw the videos before Mod 16 I thought: I want to play this. As I saw the Divine Champion first, I thought: YEAH I am Holy man. Huge fun. Now I ended playing Oathkeeper. Justicar/Tank in Neverwinter = Stress. Thanks for reading.
1 - I agree that divinity can be a hassle to manage in hard content. But that's what adjusting is for. Do you want to see in Divine Champion for 20 seconds straight? 2 - Not sure what this references 3 - RNG elements can be removed easily. Don't rely on Bane. Use other or multiple powers for mob aggro. 4 - Auras are definitely lackluster but you're spreading misleading info. There is an aura that increases your damage, as your stamina decreases. You probably want an Aura that gives you a damage buff just for turning it on? 5 - I've never even used this. Group heal? Any heal on a tank? Well that's going to interfere with your main mission....tanking. 6 - Playing pally is one of the least stressful toons to me (outside of ToMM). I play every class and have been playing for close to 5 years. It's always been one of the, if not the, least stressful classes in game.
I think mob's HP needs to be double or tripled in end game content (which is basically just LoMM/ToMM atm). You can balance classes as much as you want for a certain amount of dps over say 10 seconds, but if one class does a higher burst in 2 seconds, and another a more steady curve over that 10 seconds, the first will win out since mobs never live long enough. That's been my general conclusion while revisiting my Wizard. It relies on procs from SS which atm only has a 15% chance to proc on any given attack (50% * 30% = 15%). Warlocks can get CA on crits which is 50% chance, Wizard can choose Nightmare Wizardry, but that's only a 5% chance to proc on any given attack. While the fact that certain attacks tic multiple times does help, the chances are still relatively low for quick fights.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
I disagree on the point of mob HP, because it's such an oversimplification on multiple account. ToMM mobs, which is, just the ice, is balanced and LoMM mob HP's are balanced on the level the dungeon is supposed to be played, which is not really a true endgame, but the entrance to it. You can be overleveled for that content, and then of course the mobs will burn like flies. But to make the dungeon grindier for everyone (because it won't be harder, just more time to hit HP sponges) is just to waste everyone's time on it. And if you get through the mobs so fast, you probably burn the bosses way faster than they supposed to be (or your class has not that good of an ST than AoE).
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
Tenebrous doesn't add any diversity to classes either, it's just an extra proc which can be abused, like 109k powered soulweaver out dpsing everyone except hr's on aoe. I know it used to be bugged on warlock, and still might be, idk. Which is why I would just suggest removing it, similar to the way they are removing the functionality (bugged or not) that directed flames had, it breaks class balance. If you want more class diversity, add more paragon paths, power and feat selections, not an exogenous enchantment.
To your point about mobs not mattering, that's exactly my point, they should have their hp increased. It's incredibly counter intuitive when LoMM is easier than VT. And if you really think mob's shouldn't matter and LoMM should be completed in 5 minutes, then just remove them from the dungeons entirely.
What winds up happening is what's happening with thaum, balancing the class for content, instead of building content around class balance. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
That aside, what I would want on Arcanist not considering the changes in play is this,
1) Remove Avalanche and replace with Conduit of Ice. 2) Give Entangling Force it's On Tab feature where it pulls in nearby mobs, and adds stacks of Arcane based on number of targets pulled.
About the Tenebrous, in the current form it does not, because it's brokenly powerful. I think Tenebrous should be like 0.02% of HP per Rank (So, 0.3% of your HP on Rank 15), but uncapped, so it will be just an enchant, but it would have a buildaround option for tanks or classes that proc fast.
On the HP, you missed the whole point. Mob should matter, but they don't and getting them more HP just makes people bored of killing them longer. LoMM is a 10 minute dungeon dragged for 15 more minute by menial mobkillling and the only thing more HP achieves is +10 more minute of a trivial task. The whole problem is that because mobs are not a threat or challenging that grinding them down is a waste of time. And you want to waste more time by making them not more difficult, but the easy thing to last longer.
1) I agree that we need CoI on both paragon, but I'd kick out Imprisonment. It should've gone with mod16, but instead it got overhauled for... something. Maybe PvP-ers actually use this, I don't know. Or just give all classes +1 encounter per paragon. But Avalanche is actually useful, because Repel on Tab is just to annoy melee classes. But it actually deals too much damage to not annoy on them, sorry.
2) I think that they learned pre-mod6 that letting players pull mobs together and nuke them is a bad idea. I would like them to fix the point of CC in this game, but... there's a lot of other things they need to fix first.
RE: Tenebrous
MANY players own and paid for several max rank tenebrous enchantments. To remove it (if it were bugged or not) is no more fair than removing Radiant Enchantment.
Currently, only one slotted Tenebrous enchantment works. Additional ones do nothing. If necessary, fix this and make it balanced. A Tenebrous should be on par with Radiant Enchantment overall, but should give a situational niche advantage which makes it desireable... so that some will want it but not everyone does. As a singular enchantment right now, its a little OP, but its nothing thats gonna change the leaderboard as quoted above.
My advice: Leave Tenebrous alone. Revise the tooltip to actual effect. If necessary... rebalance it, but certainly don't remove it.
Hey there, this is my detailled feedback to the incoming changes for Dreadnought. (Have deleted my original post. I don't know how I have done this^^)
Our problem would be still the single target damage even with these changes. AoE is pretty good, but in the past Fighter (Conqueror) was a class which was characterized by its high single target burst damage. Thats why the most players dicided to play it. But now it is the worst single target DPS class. That is really sad.
These changes are really good like they are: - Brazen Slash: Increase magnitude from 55 to 75 - Guarded Strike: Increase magnitude from 60 to 85 - Heavy Slash: Increase magnitude from 100 to 135 - Griffon's Wrath: Increase total magnitude from 840 to 1050 - Momentum: Increase magnitude from +200 Bull Charge to +300 - Heavier Slash: Increase magnitude from +200 Heavy Slash to +300 - Prepared Slam: Increase magnitude from 200 to 280
The following changes are a little bit too high, because in my opinion our AoE damage is not that bad. - Tremor: Increase magnitude from 250 to 340 --> 300 - Onslaught: Increase magnitude from 300 to 420 --> 360 - Earthshaker: Increase magnitude from 580 to 800 --> 700 - Shockwave: Increase magnitude from 620 to 870 --> 750 These changes are too low: - Reave: Increase magnitude from 30 to 45 --> 55, because our AoE At-Will damage is very low - Commander's Strike: Increase magnitude from 400 to 560 --> 650 and 17 seconds cooldown like rogues Wicked Reminder, because their skill is still superior
These changes are useless, because nobody uses these skills: - Cleave: Increase magnitude from 25 to 35 (would just buff Vanguards damage) - Shield Bash: Increase magnitude from 20 to 30 - Richochet: Increase damage output by reducing the damage reduction from 30%/60%/70% to 20%50%60%
These changes are missing in my opinion: - Weight of Vengeance: Increase magnitude from +300 Anvil of Doom to +450 and decrease consumed vengeance from 25 to 15 --> Without that change Heavier Slash is much better. So with that buff there will be a hard choice. And Anvil will become our hardest hitting encounter power again. - Vigerous Strikes: Increase Critical Severity up to 30% (or 20%) depedning on the remaining stamina instead of 10% Critical Chance. --> All endgame players have capped their stats including Crit Strike. So 10% Crit Chance is useless for endgame players. Crit Sev would be a nice addition like Barbarians feat (Barbed Strikes).
And last but not least I have a really nice idea, that will bring back our Mod15 playstyle (maybe with mod19 ): Mod15 Knights Challenge for both paragons (instead of Shield Thrower). That encounter skill should give the aggro for 5 sec and double the incoming and outgoing damage by/to the (single) target in that time. It can be combined with some feats, because Vanguards don't need that damage buff and Dreadnoughts don't want/need the aggro. That will bring back our Mod15 playstyle with high burst damage at single target. It is just an idea, that I really like.
The magnitude is very low, the percentage of most damage when we are at the maximum of Soul Spark is very low as well. In addition that every time you use Soul Scorch you get locked for a long time, in Tomm if you use Soul Scorch before any mechanics you are likely to die, because it gets locked.
All other classes the "TAB" is much better than the SW.
Soul Scorch magnitude is fine, with 18 sparks it deals 162 magnitude as 1 hit, then a further 162 magnitude over 6 seconds to each target in 15feet. so even just as single target, its total is 324magnitude. 340magnitude if you take double scorch, which everyone does anyway.
The problem with soul scorch is its not generating action points nor is it proccing weapon enchantments. It is also classed as an encounter power ( it procs bloodlust) , it doesn't have a curse consume/synergy yet it doesn't give lesser curse, which it should. any encounter that doesn't have a curse mechanic is supposed to give lesser curse.
It has a cast time of 1 second, and I believe the new AP system is 1000/60 x cast time, which means Soul scorch should be giving 17ap, or 1.7% each cast, and its not
I don't like the fact you lose percentage damage buff to cast it, so yes it would be much better if you got a damage buff for casting SS, 5% for 10seconds or something, but its still better DPS to use soul scorch, than to sit on sparks
The only change I would want to SS is that it would summon a soul puppet /stack soul investiture instead of relying on hadars grasp, since SS is the default encounter we have, regardless of feat choices/encounter choices
> @noworries#8859 said: > Creeping Death has been brought up a few times in this thread, while there will be patch notes as we get more builds onto preview which will cover bug fixes, this one was both brought up enough in this thread and is changing enough to get a specific call out. > > Creeping Death was never going to work ideally for what it was attempting to do. I did experiment with the power for a while before the holidays before deciding to build it a bit differently which would allow it to function properly. > > The change is that Creeping Death will deal 10 magnitude damage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds and it will stack 10 times. This will allow the power to continue to do damage while fighting a target which has it applied already and allow for a player to keep it at max stacks doing 100 magnitude every 2 seconds as long as they are continuing to fight the target.
As long as that magnitude damage is fully buffed like bilethorn procs, that is actually the best warlock news I have heard in some time! Please keep up the ideas!
Creeping death cannot crit after some brief testing it was about 8-9% of my damage on single target, so not sure if its better than executioners gift, definitely not for AoE, takes too long to do any real damage
Also tyrannical curse still bugged Brood of Hadar minions are still bugged/not working as exepcted Eldritch blast 3rd hit is still bugged Soul scorch is still not giving action points or lesser curse Lesser curse damage is still garbage Hand of blight (ranged) still only generating 1 soul spark every 4 hits Deadly curse isnt proccing for every curse application
The buffs are adding about 4-5% extra dps At wills got roughly a 10% buff, which is about 1- 1.5% increase overall Killing flames- no change Soul scorch - no change Hellfire ring got a 15% buff, , which is about 10% of our damage, 1.5% increase overall Hadars Grasp got a 15% buff, which is again about 10-12% of our damage, 1.5% increase Lesser curse - may aswell be zero
So best case scenario we got a 5% buff , really isn't enough.
Eldritch Blast - 35magnitude, 70 magnitude final hit (fix this) Hellish rebuke - 50magnitude, 15magnitude DoT, 25magnitude rebuke Hand of Blight - 40magnitude, 60 magnitude ranged ( fix the spark generation for ranged, 1 per hit same as melee)
Soul scorch 10 per spark +1.5magnitude per tick - max 18 sparks 180+27x6 DoT ticks 342 Magnitude total - 5% increase. also FIx the damn AP gain Killing Flames - 500-750 same Hellfire Ring - 150 Magnitude + 225 DoT ( 375 Magnitude Total) 7% increase Hadars Grasp - 250 Magnitude - 375Magnitude with Curse Consume 8% increase Vampiric Embrace - 330 Magnitude - and remove Temp hitpoints, its useless and cancels Paladin Temp Hitpoints. 20% increase Blades, 27.5magnitude per blade + 1blade every 2 seconds against cursed targets, ticks 11 times, 302.5 Magnitude total (385Magnitude against curse targets) 10% increase Fiery Bolt - 300 magnitude main target + 150magnitude AoE ( or just remove the 50% AoE penalty and leave at 200magnitude)
Arms of Hadar -100 magnitude ( still garbage, needs a rework) Dreadtheft - 450magnitude ( still garbage needs a rework) Infernal Spheres, 50 per Sphere, increase radius to 15ft ( still Clunky/breaks/gets stuck, needs a rework)
Curse Bite, 275 Magnitude - ( needs a rework, charges can get double consumed, each charge recharges consecutively not independently, the recharge does not benefit from Wrath of Souls or Soul Spark Recovery, so both charges take 26seconds to recharge if used back to back, very bad design honestly, better to have 1 use with a proper Cooldown of 13seconds that can be shortened Via CD reduction Feats and Shirt Equip Bonus, like every other encounter.... it wont really effect burst AoE, since you rarely get chance to use both charges, but would make a big difference on longer fights for though who wanted to use this on bosses)
Tyrannical Curse 1000 magnitude - Fix the split damage, its still not scaling with armour penetration and accuracy, this has been bugged nearly a year now since Mod 16 preview, its been reported over and over, FFS fix the damn thing Accursed Souls - 900 magnitude - no change Gates of hell - still bad, no reason to use this instead of Accursed souls, does less damage, harder to position, costs the same AP Flames of Phlegethos - 1600 magnitude - because why the hell not. no one uses it anyway
Brood Of Hadar - Please Fix this, or clarify what exactly it is supposed to do. The imps are VERY inconsistent, sometimes they bite, sometimes they melee and sometimes they range attack, all with totally different Values, which are not explained in the tooltip. Either this is intended, and its supposed to be a wildly inconsistent daily, OR you broke it badly, and the imps are only supposed to do 1 Bite each and then fade away, ( I hope the latter), then it would be as the tooltip states,600 Hit and 6x150magnitude bites, for a total of 1500, because currently, its a mess, sometimes the imps don't use bite at all.
Class features - most need a rework/rethink
Thanks for Redesigning Creeping Death, works nice, sad it cannot crit, but if that's a design issue, then the damage needs to be upped from 10 per stack to, 12 per stack. 120 every 2 seconds, this would put it around 10-11% total damage, which I think was the aim originally, (10% of each hit as a DoT) making it a Solid Counter to Executioners Gift, especially on Bosses
Soul Desecration - needs a rework, 10% bonus puppet damage is a joke compared to risky investment, Something like, 7.5% bonus damage for the warlock while a puppet is active would be a good balance VS risky investment, since RI gives about a 10-12% damage buff at 5 stacks
Power of the Nine Hells - Needs a rework, - 12 sparks after daily is garbage, since you want to be at 30sparks for max damage boost for a daily, so its a waste of a Feat point
Parting Blasphemy is OK, but it would be nice if in addition, Lesser curse dealt its damage every second for 4 seconds, ( twice as fast) so there would be more natural PBs when curse drops off, currently PB is 4-5% on a boss, not even close to warlocks Curse which is just a flat 12% buff. This kind of change would bring them closer together as well as encouraging a different type of play, without using ACC, since you would want lesser curse to drop off regularly to trigger PB.
Risky investment, is too slow to stack, currently takes about 70seconds to get to 5 stacks, and puppet disappears/gets killed all the time in ToMM, or pretty much any boss fight that has Cut scenes, its really punishing, Drop the stacks to 3, stick SI on soul scorch, and change the buff to 7/14/20% each stack.
Bottom line, the current changes on preview are too timid, cant really afford baby steps anymore, its nearly a year since Mod16 preview, and the Gap between a top end Wizard, and a top end Warlock is at least 20%, and im not talking player VS player either skill VS skill, im talking statistical mathematical Maximum output. a 5% buff just wont cut the mustard.
So Ignoring all the stuff that needs reworking, just the magnitude changes and the soul puppet change at wills, 2-3% total increase encounters - 4 highest 2-3% total increase Soul Puppet -1.5% - 2% increase Dailies - 1.5% to 2% increase overall.
About 10% increase from what we currently have on live. Still not on the same level as wizards, rogues and rangers, but a lot closer than we are now, and that would give you time to actually rework stuff that needs it
As my buddies with some brains ewilan and @reeper#9973 said, barbies are utterly awful. I stopped playing a year or two ago, and to this day I still see the balance issues that exist. Barbie tanks are meh, and you'd expect them to make up by being good DPS. Naw. By far the worst "DPS" class. One would assume devs would try to retain some players, but I guess that's not a good call when you have HAMSTER like planned obsolescence in there.
I wish you luck. I wanted to come back, as my old guild is one of the most fun places, however @noworries#8859 the game is just... bad. Sorry mate.
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Creeping Death was never going to work ideally for what it was attempting to do. I did experiment with the power for a while before the holidays before deciding to build it a bit differently which would allow it to function properly.
The change is that Creeping Death will deal 10 magnitude damage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds and it will stack 10 times. This will allow the power to continue to do damage while fighting a target which has it applied already and allow for a player to keep it at max stacks doing 100 magnitude every 2 seconds as long as they are continuing to fight the target.
Some Clarification then please.
IF the main target has 10 stacks, and the damage is every 2 seconds, does it deal the 100magnitude damage immediately, or only after 2 seconds has passed?
Does a new attack refresh the timer? thus preventing the DoT to deal damage at all?
Or is there some kind of ICD for applying a stack of creeping death.
My concern is that it sounds a lot like the DoT portion of hellish rebuke, except that it stacks, but the DoT part of hellish rebuke hardly does any damage at all since it is constantly being refreshed, and that's every 1 second, not every 2second
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> I refrain from using Soul Puppet as much as I can. Its damage is ridiculous, it attacks or not, randomly just staying in place (stupid or what? it acts like fighter companions hence it's useless just like them), it attacks whatever it meets in its way, summoning Puppet forces me to use powers I don't like in my rotation, Risky Investment - stacks of SI are built way too slow, by the time I have 2, everything dies AND I noticed Hadar's Grasp used on cursed boss doesn't always grant a stack of SI (bug or WAI because of lazy development?).
> Anyways, I stay away from Puppet and my damage is not bad, even though my warlock is a shadow of its own shadow after Mod16 nerf hammer. But I did invest a lot in him regarding stats and it's my main, most favorite class still. With current buffs on preview it looks promising but one thing that comes to my mind is this damn puppt. Building ONLY around puppet is not wise since I know many warlocks that don't use it neither, except for occasional Killing Flames effect. Some people just don't like stuff chasing them (and so I use ioun stone as summoned companion). Puppet cannot be controlled in a way that I could command it to attack, it doesn't tank, it just flies here and there, annoying me as hell. Checked ACT, its contribution to overall warlock's damage is stupid. As said, I have Risky Investment chosen because having puppet sumoned all the time makes me sick. Then why you suggest more powers that can summon puppet? I'd be better to leave it as it is, some players run with puppet some run without it but their damage should be equal, this needs overall more buff to warlock's powers and better synergy. Also, I have two loadouts for Hellbringer, one built around curse's damage and one built around Parting Blasphemy. The first one performs much better regarding damage output. On both I run Risky Investment, for aformentioned reasons. I don't want to have more powers summoning puppet, there are enough. I'd rather see puppet as support, not a center of damage as simply some warlocks don't like to rely on it, the same as some players still use fighter companions and some prefer to do damage on their own.
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> On another note, Soulweaver needs MAJOR rework. Like, total, enormous, absolute rework and building from the ground. What it is now is an absolute mess and lame illusion of a healer in a majority of content. I will write up much more about Soulweaver some time soon as I find this paragon fun to play (and I have powerful cleric healer, I like healing but made cleric to have VIABLE healer, thanks devs...) and I really don't like being forced to create another class every time I want to play another role, if my main class has been given two choices.
The simple reason is speed up Risky Investment stack..... Puppet is useless at least we get the encounter power damage output.
Can the DoT crit, and is it affected by Power/%dmg buffs/enemy %dmg-taken debuffs?
At least I'll have a reason to loadup my warlock on Preview now.
Cleric: You can be an angel of mercy or give in to hate. - Shinedown
Wizard: The more the dark consumes me, I pretend I'm burning bright. - Shinedown
Barbarian: Am I beautiful... as I tear you to pieces? - In This Moment
Reduce cooldown of our main aggroskills ( punishing charge and come n get it ) they have cd 17.3 seconds. Paladin can spam his main aggro skill 3-4 times in a row because it costs divinity while GF-GWF need to wait 15-17 seconds. Is it fair? Make some mechanics when we are under the rage, we can use aggro skills without cd ( 1 second ) but it will be cost rage.
Give to the barbarian some kind of daily power that can protect the group, some kind of circle of rage to protect idk...
Rework our feats at least for Tank role. The feats of the Barbarian dps and tank role are nightmare !!! They are useless...
As long the focus is on bugfixing would be great having a fix for tyrannical curse as well, as the damage links does not look to be WAI
that is on a capped stat toon.
General At-Will: Cloud of Steel. suggest increasing magnitude by 5 and changing the effect from adds 2.5% to its own damage each time it hits, to become adds 1% to all damage each time it hits.
Whisperknife At-Will: Disheartening Strike. suggest adding the effect of increasing Stealth Bar by 1% each hit.
These are "low damage" at wills. It would be nice to be able to use them from time to time as a contributing support at-will.
I can see the new concept behind Thaum with directed flames being useful in such cases, except that a lot of other classes simply have much more mobility than wizards do, I would have to use an armored giant strider just to keep up with them. And Fireball's animation is too long, mobs dead before it fires, so we would have to rely on 50% crit chance w/ CC and constantly spam shift to keep up with the others.
My point is, it's been my experience that in aoe situation wizard is definetly not out performing other classes (if it is, it's too random), sometimes we can catch up at the bosses, which means our ST dps is strong.
Also, maybe consider removing tenebrous from the game, there' enough problems with balancing proc's adding this one is just another thing to worry about for each class, if anything it should be a weapon enchantment, like vorpal or bilethorn.
Thx for all the efforts, just my 2 cents'es.
The mobs in this game have no general difficulty to them if you are running on a DPS level that can get through the bosses, so just getting them more HP does not really solve anything of interest. The only dungeon I remember where the mobs did made the dungeon harder was FBI, the giants before Hati. And that was actually helpful to assess the team's competence for the content. The giants were not able to be stunned, knocked and could kill you if you were in the red zones. When player's got overleveled for FBI, they got through them easily not because they had relatively shorter lifespan, but when their did hit the players, they survived it and got their HP back. They lost their difficulty as the players overprogressed them and giving them more HP won't help on that.
The problem is not that mobs die too fast, but that they don't really doing anything when they are alive. Your whole problem with how AoE damage works boils down that mobs are just dummies to get hit, but they don't let everyone kick them fairly. But I think problem is that mobs are just dummies to get hit, which makes AoE builds more of a timesaver than a necessity. Essentially, mobs don't matter.
And I think removing Tenebrous is just one more way to reduce class diversity, which already getting overly simplified and too similar all arcoss the board. It's overly used to be honest, but because it's only competition is 2400 power, which gets very insignificant after a certain treshold.
To your point about mobs not mattering, that's exactly my point, they should have their hp increased. It's incredibly counter intuitive when LoMM is easier than VT. And if you really think mob's shouldn't matter and LoMM should be completed in 5 minutes, then just remove them from the dungeons entirely.
What winds up happening is what's happening with thaum, balancing the class for content, instead of building content around class balance. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
That aside, what I would want on Arcanist not considering the changes in play is this,
1) Remove Avalanche and replace with Conduit of Ice.
2) Give Entangling Force it's On Tab feature where it pulls in nearby mobs, and adds stacks of Arcane based on number of targets pulled.
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Thaumaturge has terrible aoe dps: yesterday I ran Spellplague with a Rogue, his dps was twice as much as mine. Thaumaturge is just bad. During mod 16, it used to be best dps paragon (accidently...), after all smolder nerfs/bugs it's the worst. Even Fireball isn't good (long cast, effect area too small, average magnitude and not able to add smolder correctly).
The only good feat is Shatter Strike. Fanning the Flame and Ice Storm are useless. Combustion Action is a joke passive power. With planned rework of Directed Flames, Conduct of Ice will become completly useless as well.
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I don't know if the dev's will reach to this point but i have mentioned some changes previously to arbiter.
We have 2 major bugs in TOMM. The 1mnute Perfect balance bug and the Prophet of Doom procing whenever halaster teleports. Fixing them would be a huge help although our dps more or less will not change.
Other changes which could make arbiter more forgiving is to allow us to maintain our PB stacks even after death. Maybe allow dailies and POD to proc Sudden verdict and Perfect balance? Again, very simple changes but dps wise, arbiter is sitting in a comfortable place. Just need help with gameplay.
On the HP, you missed the whole point. Mob should matter, but they don't and getting them more HP just makes people bored of killing them longer. LoMM is a 10 minute dungeon dragged for 15 more minute by menial mobkillling and the only thing more HP achieves is +10 more minute of a trivial task. The whole problem is that because mobs are not a threat or challenging that grinding them down is a waste of time. And you want to waste more time by making them not more difficult, but the easy thing to last longer.
1) I agree that we need CoI on both paragon, but I'd kick out Imprisonment. It should've gone with mod16, but instead it got overhauled for... something. Maybe PvP-ers actually use this, I don't know. Or just give all classes +1 encounter per paragon. But Avalanche is actually useful, because Repel on Tab is just to annoy melee classes. But it actually deals too much damage to not annoy on them, sorry.
2) I think that they learned pre-mod6 that letting players pull mobs together and nuke them is a bad idea. I would like them to fix the point of CC in this game, but... there's a lot of other things they need to fix first.
January 7, 2020 still discussing issues that were reported in the Mod 16 preview. That's because they promised us quick adjustments, as one of the reasons for the game's simplification was precisely to have that possibility. All I see is improvisation to fix something that has already started wrong, even with numerous warnings.
> I'm not sure this is strictly the correct forum for this, but class balance seemed to be the most pertinent section. I'd like to know if the Devs are concerned, or have even noticed the complete lack of activity in the Citadel section. No posts at all since the 6th October, no new thread since the 11th September. A quick look in the Fighter and Barbarian sections shows a a similar story, one unanswered post relating to the tanking paragon in the Barbarian forum is the only non DPS post in months.
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> This is a sure sign that a large part of the community have disconnected with the game, people are not interested in learning how to tank or sharing best practice, not because the Tank's aren't viable (they are) but because they are so mind numbingly boring to play. This is a game, to play for enjoyment, people don't want to waste their precious leisure time subjecting themselves to the tedium of playing a Tank. Worse still Tomm aside Tanks aren't even needed, 4 decent DPS and a good healer will clear a dungeon way faster.
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> Id love to know what percentage of Barbarians, Fighters and Paladins are playing Tanks outside of content that specifies someone has to take the hit. In solo play i bet its near 0% on the two former classes.
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> So whilst you are balancing classes, how about balancing your DPS, Tank, Healer Triumvirate and please please do something to make the Paladin less unbearably slow to solo campaigns on.
Tanks in Neverwinter are pure Stress. 90% in Random Queues AD Bonus for Tanks, because no one wants to play. I will write from "Paladin" Justicar point of view. The biggest problem of this game is, that new Players will tend to pick up playing a Tank because of this Bonus - they can really need AD Boost as new players. You see this every day in Chat: Hello, I am new. Which classes are needed?
While playing as a Justicar Solo it's maybe slow, but it's fun. Now you play some weeks and spend some bucks and reach the higher Group Content. You are the Utility Class now. Playing a Tank in Neverwinter is scam. Playing Solo, what was fun is totally different from what is expected in Group content. Tanking in Neverwinter is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> style. Doing less, is doing better. Get tons of HP, do the taunts, raise your shield. It is bad by design and I never saw such a bad and stressful tank in any MMO's.
That being said, as utility Class you are target of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> Storms doing different from get tons of HP, do the taunts, raise your shield. Now with raising the DPS from the DPS Classes it's even more stress to play as a tank and manage aggro. At this point most new players saying good bye or they discover best of Justicar. You have Oathkeeper Loadout. The Paladin need a third Loadout to play as DPS.
We Players dont want to play this passive raise your Shield game. We want to play active. It doesnt matter if we do only half or less damage. It should be doing more, is doing better.
Now I want to tell what is wrong with Justicar in Class detail: It sounds really great to be a Divine Champion. And yes, it is great and fun. But you are no Divine Champion. Some seconds maybe every five minutes. The divinity costs and no way to recover yourself is really really really bad. The only situation you can maintain Divine Champion is, if you are facing more than 20 enemies. Neither Justicar's Bulwark or Divine Pursuit will be able to maintain Divine Champion even if you keep 100% divinity. And this is more worse in reality. Think about an active playstyle Loadout with Baneful Strikes, Divine Pursuit and Bane. As a tank it is your responsibility if your group die. And you have to deal with RNG. You can have 100 hits without free Bane: no aggro = <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> Storm. Really? Responsibility and RNG as a tank? It's really bad design. And even if you get every 10s a free Bane you cant maintain Divine Champion. In reality you will be kicked around every few seconds if you dont block or move around, so it's impossible without At-Wills to procc it every 10s. Because if you block or move around you cant procc. Forget about it. It's only for Solo. You could prevent to be kicked around with Divine Champion. Oh yeah, you cant maintain it. You can't do more than block here without Divine Champion - maybe drink some coffee, eat some cake. Bad design. And you will discover situations at which you ask yourself: Why I am here? You die at content, while your DPS can dodge the Damage to 100% and they doing without you. You could say you need to get tons of HP, do the taunts, raise your shield. Well. I would answer: Do this yourself. The main issues as Justicar:
1. Low Divinity regeneration, Divine Champion shortage
2. It should be doing more, doing better. And not totally different playstyle than on Solo content.
3. RNG elements should be removed for tanks. You are responsable.
4. Where is the Paladin? The Auras seem to be leftovers. So weak, only alibi function. There are no Damage auras. Should it not be better to dodge the hit than to get the hit? (Aura of Vengeance) Again active vs passive Playstyle.
5. Divine Palisade. You can remove the Group Heal. The cone behind you is in reality a nightmare. Your party is doing what they would do alone. They run. It's impossible to help with these heals and from Paladin point of view, you're only getting mad try to help and see only headless chickens running. Again: Divine Champion shortage. You see it rare. If you try to heal with Divine Palisade I saw it often they run from you like "WTF IS THAT" Cone -> Radius or remove and only for the Justicar.
6. If we cannot maintain Divine Champion, we are kicked around. Active Playstyle is impossible and stressfull. This needs to be reworked.
I play now for 1 month. As I saw the videos before Mod 16 I thought: I want to play this. As I saw the Divine Champion first, I thought: YEAH I am Holy man. Huge fun. Now I ended playing Oathkeeper. Justicar/Tank in Neverwinter = Stress. Thanks for reading.
2 - Not sure what this references
3 - RNG elements can be removed easily. Don't rely on Bane. Use other or multiple powers for mob aggro.
4 - Auras are definitely lackluster but you're spreading misleading info. There is an aura that increases your damage, as your stamina decreases. You probably want an Aura that gives you a damage buff just for turning it on?
5 - I've never even used this. Group heal? Any heal on a tank? Well that's going to interfere with your main mission....tanking.
6 - Playing pally is one of the least stressful toons to me (outside of ToMM). I play every class and have been playing for close to 5 years. It's always been one of the, if not the, least stressful classes in game.
MANY players own and paid for several max rank tenebrous enchantments. To remove it (if it were bugged or not) is no more fair than removing Radiant Enchantment.
Currently, only one slotted Tenebrous enchantment works. Additional ones do nothing. If necessary, fix this and make it balanced. A Tenebrous should be on par with Radiant Enchantment overall, but should give a situational niche advantage which makes it desireable... so that some will want it but not everyone does. As a singular enchantment right now, its a little OP, but its nothing thats gonna change the leaderboard as quoted above.
My advice: Leave Tenebrous alone. Revise the tooltip to actual effect. If necessary... rebalance it, but certainly don't remove it.
Our problem would be still the single target damage even with these changes. AoE is pretty good, but in the past Fighter (Conqueror) was a class which was characterized by its high single target burst damage. Thats why the most players dicided to play it. But now it is the worst single target DPS class. That is really sad.
These changes are really good like they are:
- Brazen Slash: Increase magnitude from 55 to 75
- Guarded Strike: Increase magnitude from 60 to 85
- Heavy Slash: Increase magnitude from 100 to 135
- Griffon's Wrath: Increase total magnitude from 840 to 1050
- Momentum: Increase magnitude from +200 Bull Charge to +300
- Heavier Slash: Increase magnitude from +200 Heavy Slash to +300
- Prepared Slam: Increase magnitude from 200 to 280
The following changes are a little bit too high, because in my opinion our AoE damage is not that bad.
- Tremor: Increase magnitude from 250 to 340 --> 300
- Onslaught: Increase magnitude from 300 to 420 --> 360
- Earthshaker: Increase magnitude from 580 to 800 --> 700
- Shockwave: Increase magnitude from 620 to 870 --> 750
These changes are too low:
- Reave: Increase magnitude from 30 to 45 --> 55, because our AoE At-Will damage is very low
- Commander's Strike: Increase magnitude from 400 to 560 --> 650 and 17 seconds cooldown like rogues Wicked Reminder, because their skill is still superior
These changes are useless, because nobody uses these skills:
- Cleave: Increase magnitude from 25 to 35 (would just buff Vanguards damage)
- Shield Bash: Increase magnitude from 20 to 30
- Richochet: Increase damage output by reducing the damage reduction from 30%/60%/70% to 20%50%60%
These changes are missing in my opinion:
- Weight of Vengeance: Increase magnitude from +300 Anvil of Doom to +450 and decrease consumed vengeance from 25 to 15
--> Without that change Heavier Slash is much better. So with that buff there will be a hard choice. And Anvil will become our hardest hitting encounter power again.
- Vigerous Strikes: Increase Critical Severity up to 30% (or 20%) depedning on the remaining stamina instead of 10% Critical Chance.
--> All endgame players have capped their stats including Crit Strike. So 10% Crit Chance is useless for endgame players. Crit Sev would be a nice addition like Barbarians feat (Barbed Strikes).
And last but not least I have a really nice idea, that will bring back our Mod15 playstyle (maybe with mod19
Mod15 Knights Challenge for both paragons (instead of Shield Thrower). That encounter skill should give the aggro for 5 sec and double the incoming and outgoing damage by/to the (single) target in that time. It can be combined with some feats, because Vanguards don't need that damage buff and Dreadnoughts don't want/need the aggro. That will bring back our Mod15 playstyle with high burst damage at single target. It is just an idea, that I really like.
The magnitude is very low, the percentage of most damage when we are at the maximum of Soul Spark is very low as well. In addition that every time you use Soul Scorch you get locked for a long time, in Tomm if you use Soul Scorch before any mechanics you are likely to die, because it gets locked.
All other classes the "TAB" is much better than the SW.
Sw needs a change in this mechanic.
The problem with soul scorch is its not generating action points nor is it proccing weapon enchantments. It is also classed as an encounter power ( it procs bloodlust) , it doesn't have a curse consume/synergy yet it doesn't give lesser curse, which it should.
any encounter that doesn't have a curse mechanic is supposed to give lesser curse.
It has a cast time of 1 second, and I believe the new AP system is 1000/60 x cast time, which means Soul scorch should be giving 17ap, or 1.7% each cast, and its not
I don't like the fact you lose percentage damage buff to cast it, so yes it would be much better if you got a damage buff for casting SS, 5% for 10seconds or something, but its still better DPS to use soul scorch, than to sit on sparks
The only change I would want to SS is that it would summon a soul puppet /stack soul investiture instead of relying on hadars grasp, since SS is the default encounter we have, regardless of feat choices/encounter choices
Why is my ranger getting a mandatory respec? Frak. Glad I stumbled across this now before it went live.
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> Creeping Death has been brought up a few times in this thread, while there will be patch notes as we get more builds onto preview which will cover bug fixes, this one was both brought up enough in this thread and is changing enough to get a specific call out.
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> Creeping Death was never going to work ideally for what it was attempting to do. I did experiment with the power for a while before the holidays before deciding to build it a bit differently which would allow it to function properly.
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> The change is that Creeping Death will deal 10 magnitude damage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds and it will stack 10 times. This will allow the power to continue to do damage while fighting a target which has it applied already and allow for a player to keep it at max stacks doing 100 magnitude every 2 seconds as long as they are continuing to fight the target.
As long as that magnitude damage is fully buffed like bilethorn procs, that is actually the best warlock news I have heard in some time! Please keep up the ideas!
Creeping death works and scales with power and CA
The bad news,
Creeping death cannot crit
after some brief testing it was about 8-9% of my damage on single target, so not sure if its better than executioners gift, definitely not for AoE, takes too long to do any real damage
Also tyrannical curse still bugged
Brood of Hadar minions are still bugged/not working as exepcted
Eldritch blast 3rd hit is still bugged
Soul scorch is still not giving action points or lesser curse
Lesser curse damage is still garbage
Hand of blight (ranged) still only generating 1 soul spark every 4 hits
Deadly curse isnt proccing for every curse application
The buffs are adding about 4-5% extra dps
At wills got roughly a 10% buff, which is about 1- 1.5% increase overall
Killing flames- no change
Soul scorch - no change
Hellfire ring got a 15% buff, , which is about 10% of our damage, 1.5% increase overall
Hadars Grasp got a 15% buff, which is again about 10-12% of our damage, 1.5% increase
Lesser curse - may aswell be zero
So best case scenario we got a 5% buff , really isn't enough.
Hellish rebuke - 50magnitude, 15magnitude DoT, 25magnitude rebuke
Hand of Blight - 40magnitude, 60 magnitude ranged ( fix the spark generation for ranged, 1 per hit same as melee)
Soul puppet - Lasts 30 seconds, and deals 100% critical severity
Soul scorch 10 per spark +1.5magnitude per tick - max 18 sparks 180+27x6 DoT ticks 342 Magnitude total - 5% increase. also FIx the damn AP gain
Killing Flames - 500-750 same
Hellfire Ring - 150 Magnitude + 225 DoT ( 375 Magnitude Total) 7% increase
Hadars Grasp - 250 Magnitude - 375Magnitude with Curse Consume 8% increase
Vampiric Embrace - 330 Magnitude - and remove Temp hitpoints, its useless and cancels Paladin Temp Hitpoints. 20% increase
Blades, 27.5magnitude per blade + 1blade every 2 seconds against cursed targets, ticks 11 times, 302.5 Magnitude total (385Magnitude against curse targets) 10% increase
Fiery Bolt - 300 magnitude main target + 150magnitude AoE ( or just remove the 50% AoE penalty and leave at 200magnitude)
Arms of Hadar -100 magnitude ( still garbage, needs a rework)
Dreadtheft - 450magnitude ( still garbage needs a rework)
Infernal Spheres, 50 per Sphere, increase radius to 15ft ( still Clunky/breaks/gets stuck, needs a rework)
Curse Bite, 275 Magnitude - ( needs a rework, charges can get double consumed, each charge recharges consecutively not independently, the recharge does not benefit from Wrath of Souls or Soul Spark Recovery, so both charges take 26seconds to recharge if used back to back, very bad design honestly, better to have 1 use with a proper Cooldown of 13seconds that can be shortened Via CD reduction Feats and Shirt Equip Bonus, like every other encounter.... it wont really effect burst AoE, since you rarely get chance to use both charges, but would make a big difference on longer fights for though who wanted to use this on bosses)
Tyrannical Curse 1000 magnitude - Fix the split damage, its still not scaling with armour penetration and accuracy, this has been bugged nearly a year now since Mod 16 preview, its been reported over and over, FFS fix the damn thing
Accursed Souls - 900 magnitude - no change
Gates of hell - still bad, no reason to use this instead of Accursed souls, does less damage, harder to position, costs the same AP
Flames of Phlegethos - 1600 magnitude - because why the hell not. no one uses it anyway
Brood Of Hadar - Please Fix this, or clarify what exactly it is supposed to do. The imps are VERY inconsistent, sometimes they bite, sometimes they melee and sometimes they range attack, all with totally different Values, which are not explained in the tooltip. Either this is intended, and its supposed to be a wildly inconsistent daily, OR you broke it badly, and the imps are only supposed to do 1 Bite each and then fade away, ( I hope the latter), then it would be as the tooltip states,600 Hit and 6x150magnitude bites, for a total of 1500, because currently, its a mess, sometimes the imps don't use bite at all.
Class features - most need a rework/rethink
Thanks for Redesigning Creeping Death, works nice, sad it cannot crit, but if that's a design issue, then the damage needs to be upped from 10 per stack to, 12 per stack. 120 every 2 seconds, this would put it around 10-11% total damage, which I think was the aim originally, (10% of each hit as a DoT) making it a Solid Counter to Executioners Gift, especially on Bosses
Soul Desecration - needs a rework, 10% bonus puppet damage is a joke compared to risky investment, Something like, 7.5% bonus damage for the warlock while a puppet is active would be a good balance VS risky investment, since RI gives about a 10-12% damage buff at 5 stacks
Power of the Nine Hells - Needs a rework, - 12 sparks after daily is garbage, since you want to be at 30sparks for max damage boost for a daily, so its a waste of a Feat point
Parting Blasphemy is OK, but it would be nice if in addition, Lesser curse dealt its damage every second for 4 seconds, ( twice as fast) so there would be more natural PBs when curse drops off, currently PB is 4-5% on a boss, not even close to warlocks Curse which is just a flat 12% buff. This kind of change would bring them closer together as well as encouraging a different type of play, without using ACC, since you would want lesser curse to drop off regularly to trigger PB.
Risky investment, is too slow to stack, currently takes about 70seconds to get to 5 stacks, and puppet disappears/gets killed all the time in ToMM, or pretty much any boss fight that has Cut scenes, its really punishing, Drop the stacks to 3, stick SI on soul scorch, and change the buff to 7/14/20% each stack.
Bottom line, the current changes on preview are too timid, cant really afford baby steps anymore, its nearly a year since Mod16 preview, and the Gap between a top end Wizard, and a top end Warlock is at least 20%, and im not talking player VS player either skill VS skill, im talking statistical mathematical Maximum output. a 5% buff just wont cut the mustard.
So Ignoring all the stuff that needs reworking, just the magnitude changes and the soul puppet change
at wills, 2-3% total increase
encounters - 4 highest 2-3% total increase
Soul Puppet -1.5% - 2% increase
Dailies - 1.5% to 2% increase overall.
About 10% increase from what we currently have on live. Still not on the same level as wizards, rogues and rangers, but a lot closer than we are now, and that would give you time to actually rework stuff that needs it
I stopped playing a year or two ago, and to this day I still see the balance issues that exist. Barbie tanks are meh, and you'd expect them to make up by being good DPS. Naw. By far the worst "DPS" class.
One would assume devs would try to retain some players, but I guess that's not a good call when you have HAMSTER like planned obsolescence in there.
I wish you luck. I wanted to come back, as my old guild is one of the most fun places, however @noworries#8859 the game is just... bad. Sorry mate.