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Does Evocation Beat Storm Spell for AoE Now?

dairyzeusdairyzeus Member Posts: 304 Arc User
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I hope not because I love raining lightning down from the skies, but it seems possible.

Anyone tried it out on pc with some ACT logs yet?

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  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    Answers may come after Sharp is done with counting Bronzewood Logs and Allosaur Fangs. :tongue:
    "We have always been at war with Dread Vault" ~ Little Brother
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    Last week when I did my quests in the new zone I had the same thought as you.

    I have not tested it, but I have looked at the sheet from @thefabricant :
    here

    At least Evocation work on all AoE powers :

    Conduit of Ice

    Icy Terrain

    Sudden Storm

    Steal Time

    Oppressive Force

    Third Hit of Chilling Cloud
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • mebengalsfan#9264 mebengalsfan
    mebengalsfan#9264
         Member Posts: 3,169 Arc User
    I'm curious about this as well. I don't forsee a change if you have a crit build but maybe a power build with low crit would benefit more with Evocation.
  • masterogamasteroga Member Posts: 474 Arc User
    1 reason why it probably won't is the speed of enemy deaths. Take steal time for example: without Stormspell, if the enemies die before the spell finishes.. .you deal 0 damage.
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    I was curious, I did two Kessel solo run with an AoE Oppressor Spellstorm build.

    Conduit of Ice (Mastery), Sudden Storm, Icy Terrain, Steal Time, Oppressive Force.

    Chilling Presence with the off-hand bonus

    First run with Evocation :

    image

    Second run with Spell Storm :

    image

    Conclusion :

    Spell Storm is better in actlog, and my overall feeling between the two run is that the run with spell storm was faster and I had a real feeling that enemies died more quickly with spell storm.
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • c1k4ml3kc3c1k4ml3kc3 Member Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    A Quick question @gildriador , Flank only 1-2%?

    Is that intentional? If not, perhaps a run with a pet and positioning for 90-100% flank/CA bonus?

    It would be interesting to see how much CA increases in aspects to those two feature powers.
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  • dairyzeusdairyzeus Member Posts: 304 Arc User
    c1k4ml3kc3 said:

    A Quick question @gildriador , Flank only 1-2%?

    Is that intentional? If not, perhaps a run with a pet and positioning for 90-100% flank/CA bonus?

    It would be interesting to see how much CA increases in aspects to those two feature powers.

    Combat Advantage via positioning is broken. If you wanted a test run with combat advantage you'd have to go renegade.

    @gildriador thanks for the act logs.
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    I'm not sure but I think flank by positioning is still broken. The 2 run was with the new Tiger as summoned pet (epic level).
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • dairyzeusdairyzeus Member Posts: 304 Arc User
    @gildriador in the second act log you somehow have aura of courage damage in a solo run?
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User

    Sorry, I accidentaly merged the data with a 30 seconds open zone test I did just before starting the 2 run.

    I removed the 30 sec test in open zone before each run.

    here is the data corrected with the damage only from Kessel:

    Evocation

    image

    SpellStorm

    image

    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • mebengalsfan#9264 mebengalsfan
    mebengalsfan#9264
         Member Posts: 3,169 Arc User
    gildriador said:

    I was curious, I did two Kessel solo run with an AoE Oppressor Spellstorm build.

    Conduit of Ice (Mastery), Sudden Storm, Icy Terrain, Steal Time, Oppressive Force.

    Chilling Presence with the off-hand bonus

    First run with Evocation :

    image

    Second run with Spell Storm :

    image

    Conclusion :

    Spell Storm is better in actlog, and my overall feeling between the two run is that the run with spell storm was faster and I had a real feeling that enemies died more quickly with spell storm.

    Your AoE build, do you have the feat Focus Wizardy? If so, your AoE abilities are taking 10% damage loss. When you state AoE Oppressor build are you full Oppressor or are you Thaum with 15 points into Oppressor?

  • mebengalsfan#9264 mebengalsfan
    mebengalsfan#9264
         Member Posts: 3,169 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    gildriador said:


    Sorry, I accidentaly merged the data with a 30 seconds open zone test I did just before starting the 2 run.

    I removed the 30 sec test in open zone before each run.

    here is the data corrected with the damage only from Kessel:

    Evocation

    image

    SpellStorm

    image

    IMO, Storm Spell still needs to be adjusted downward in damage. It provides to much of a boost in damage for a CW; the majority of our damage should be coming from our encounters and not a personal.

  • itblsitbls Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    @mebengalsfan#9264
    Its called "Spellstorm Mage" for a reason and thats just on aoe trash mobs. Spellstorm is not as great on bosses. What they should do is boost our encounters and dailys dmg a not downgrade stormspell yet again. We been asking cw base dmg boost for while now.. they just don't listen. Maybe on 2020.
  • c1k4ml3kc3c1k4ml3kc3 Member Posts: 1,257 Arc User
    mebengalsfan#9264 said:

    gildriador said:


    Sorry, I accidentaly merged the data with a 30 seconds open zone test I did just before starting the 2 run.

    I removed the 30 sec test in open zone before each run.

    here is the data corrected with the damage only from Kessel:

    Evocation

    image

    SpellStorm

    image

    IMO, Storm Spell still needs to be adjusted downward in damage. It provides to much of a boost in damage for a CW; the majority of our damage should be coming from our encounters and not a personal.

    No, it's fine like this. This way it procs only when you build 100% crit chance and utilize it's potential fully.
    Most of the powers that proc it are not at all high damage like Conduit of Ice and Icy Terrain.

    For instance you need to cast 2 encounters to evenly match the current TR's Smoke Bomb encounter, and TRs are one of the weakest classes in the game right now. So, yeah.
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  • gromovnipljesak#8234 gromovnipljesak
    gromovnipljesak#8234
         Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Apparently today's patch increased the SS proc rate, or rather fixed it. Let's see how it works out.
  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    mebengalsfan#9264 said:

    Your AoE build, do you have the feat Focus Wizardy? If so, your AoE abilities are taking 10% damage loss. When you state AoE Oppressor build are you full Oppressor or are you Thaum with 15 points into Oppressor?

    The Spellstorm Oppressor AoE feats that I used are here :

    nwcalc.com/index.html#/cw?b=1oa5:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,13j3ih0:1555u0v:1z05000:1000000&h=0&p=ssm&o=0

    Anyway with the patch stormspell process is fixed, I have not tested it, but we can feel the difference just by doing campaign quest.
    Maybe I will log another Kessel run only to compare the % of damage from stormspell before the patch and after the patch if some of you are interested.
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
  • nl54#3191 nl54
    nl54#3191
         Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    Notice that his overall damage for the run is about 2 million more with Evocation, though.
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  • gildriadorgildriador Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    The boss fights was longer with Evocation, I killed more Ice Golem. The total damages is not what you need to look. You need to look at the EncDPS column.

    And keep in mind that I did those tests before the fix to storm spell.
    “He raised his staff. There was a roll of thunder. The sunlight was blotted out from the eastern windows; the whole hall became suddenly dark as night. The fire faded to sullen embers. Only Gandalf could be seen, standing white and tall before the blackened hearth.”
    ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
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