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marfaxdmarfaxd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
I want to suggest removing the skirmish from the illusionist when the player selects random, this is spoiling the game for anyone who wants to get a specific item of this skirmish, the staff of the randons are selecting bronze after the first stage of the illusionist. I believe that this helps anyone who really wants to play and acquire certain items and helps those who just want to win the diamonds that are given as a reward for playing at least once a day this mode, skirmish. And to make matters worse, when only one or two do not want to continue in skirmish, they stand aside just by looking at the rest of the group to finish, which further delays completion, just another example of fellowship that we have in neverwinter, in fact all these I believe they have gotten the items in the easiest way and now they like to hurt the younger ones in the game.

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  • edited January 2018
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  • marfaxdmarfaxd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    I'm just trying to clarify that people who just randomize to get AD are somehow messing up the dungeon search tool that was made for everyone.

    The question of a person having to look for a select group to reach gold, ridicules who wants to play and ends with the search tool that should provide facility and not to get alms from the producer of the game.

    the problem is that the skirmish allows to finish before, so for anyone who wants AD easily or at least ends, whole reward should be provided when the service is complete, this is another suggestion, and not giving way.

    put yourself in the shoes of those who need to finish skirmish and get some game item in it, and many times these people are beginners and do not have a "select group" to play, not all people have the time to do more of 10 consecutive skirmishs. The tool looks for these people who want the intention to finish it, if it can not change to partial skirmish, that opens this option.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    Are you looking for the +4/+5 version of the rings? You do know the drop rate on them are very low? And with all the different flavors of rings, the chance of getting the one you want are even lower. It is like winning the lottery. Most people don't have them. Since getting them is pure RNG, you can run IG for years and still not get what you want. My suggestion, buy the +3 version of the auction house and move on to doing something else that isn't gated by RNG.
  • mordekai#1901 mordekai Member Posts: 1,598 Arc User

    Are you looking for the +4/+5 version of the rings? You do know the drop rate on them are very low? And with all the different flavors of rings, the chance of getting the one you want are even lower.

    Hence the reason people get fed up with the Skirmish being listed in Random... using your lottery analogy it's like someone taking your ticket away after only one number has been read out.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
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    They are looking for +4 accessory items for companion (which is arguably better than +5). No, they are NOT looking for rings which are available in many other means. +3 accessory has only one slot.

    I probably could have worded it better. But my point was that our "younger" player would be better off settling for the +3 rings and go do other things that has a bigger impact on their character development, like boons.

    Go in 3 to 5 can be sufficient.

    This seems a bit underhanded to me. Rigging the vote and possibly roping in two AD/fleece runners.

    I am glad to see that more people are willing to go inactive, or outright leave, after the first round. It sends a message that us AD/fleece runners won't silently be coerced into a gold run.

  • marfaxdmarfaxd Member Posts: 5 Arc User

    They are looking for +4 accessory items for companion (which is arguably better than +5). No, they are NOT looking for rings which are available in many other means. +3 accessory has only one slot.


    Exactly plasticbat, and yes, the drop is hard but as we saw above, many do not know the drop, the average is 10 skirmishs for a drop +4, I already got several more I still lack an item that I'm looking for, but how ha I commented above in other messages, the random diaries hamper the game, favoring those who only want the alms of astral diamonds and not who wants to equip themselves.

    I do not say this just for myself, but several people feel the problem.
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    > @namelesshero347 said:.
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    > This seems a bit underhanded to me. Rigging the vote and possibly roping in two AD/fleece runners.
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    He is talking about private runs, not public queue. There are no randoms in the instance.
    "We have always been at war with Dread Vault" ~ Little Brother
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    Ah, got it. But I'm sure people will just do public queues since they have nothing to lose and potentially get two more people to stay and make the run go faster.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,470 Arc User
    edited January 2018



    Go in 3 to 5 can be sufficient.

    This seems a bit underhanded to me. Rigging the vote and possibly roping in two AD/fleece runners.

    No, I said private queue with a party of 3 to 5. No RQ player will come. RQ player only comes if you public queue.

    EDIT: Opps! I just saw the other replies that addressed that.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,470 Arc User
    edited January 2018

    Ah, got it. But I'm sure people will just do public queues since they have nothing to lose and potentially get two more people to stay and make the run go faster.

    No, it does not necessary better because they can just sit on the camp fire and not come to the circle or to vote. That happens and the benefit does not overcome the probable frustration.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • preechr#2215 preechr Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    @plasticbat in particular has been preaching for months now that your best option is forming a private group

    Think about it... If you solo random que for anything, no matter what you want to gain from that experience, all of these threads full of people complaining about not getting what they wanted prove only one thing: You will most likely NOT have a fun experience, as there are so many people doing the same thing as you that have wildly different expectations for how your shared event should go

    Is this really bad game design? Sure... but unless you want to continue to be frustrated by your random que experiences, the only choice you have is to make a few like-minded friends and do stuff with them

    I have yet to see any threads on these forums cataloging players' experiences with making friends, positive or negative, though every other day another thread gets started so people can complain that when randomly grouped with other players those guys mostly aren't magically and exactly the same as whoever is complaining they surprisingly aren't

    "/party I am trying to get a +4 sword knot" right at the beginning of the run is all it takes to find a few folks that are also trying to find a thing and that might be willing to work together with you toward a shared goal

    "/party I run 13 alts through random dungeons and skirmishes every day... Can we make this quick?" would also work
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    When IG first came out in mod 11, it was kind of hard. The bronze/silver/gold vote was a way for the group to exit early with reward if they did not think they can make it pass the next phase. Now players are much better geared and finishing gold is pretty much guaranteed. So the vote now is an indication of time a player is willing to commit for the gold run. Should be no surprise when bronze runners resist after they are forced to spend more time in IG.

    The problem with removing IG from RQ is the RQ player have just as much right to IG as the gold runners. Some RQ players do not mind going for gold when they get IG.

    Think the bronze and gold runners will just have to co-exist with IG in RQ. Both groups have risks of requiring more time to achieve their goals. Gold runners who want to ensure full participation should pre-make groups. At least they have that option.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    ok I ran Mad Wizard today as a choice NOT the random. I told players after they announced they wanted bronze, I would be voting for gold. Most players took more time trying to change my mind than allowing the skirmish to start. Now keep in mind, I am the only one saying I plan to vote stay. So here is the outcome; My first run ended with a 4 to 1 vote against me, after we spent too much time talking about it because one player in a rush wasn't in the circle, made no sense. My second run I tried to bribe them to stay. Ended with 3 to 2 vote against staying. By the 4th run, I used some psychology and I told them I was a girl person and I pretty sure I shamed them into staying but after the vote was cast to stay, one player disconnected (maybe not on purpose, I don't know). So yes, it is very hard to get people to stay unless you have friends with you.

    This much is certain. It is an issue that will remain an issue, until either the system changes or player's behavior changes. Personally I like the Mad Wizard and it is easy enough beat. If you are one of these "bronze only" players, after you die in the arena, just sit it out in the waiting room. If the developers remove the vote system, there will be no choice to make. I don't see people trying to get through Throne or Madness quickly. In fact, anyone caught AFKing gets kicked real quick from those skirmish.

    I seldom play skirmish and mostly run dungeons. I am not a big diamond hound either, but if that is your thing, go for it. I play games to have fun. Quitting because it is a challenge is not fun.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,470 Arc User
    edited January 2018

    ok I ran Mad Wizard today as a choice NOT the random. I told players after they announced they wanted bronze, I would be voting for gold. Most players took more time trying to change my mind than allowing the skirmish to start. Now keep in mind, I am the only one saying I plan to vote stay. So here is the outcome; My first run ended with a 4 to 1 vote against me, after we spent too much time talking about it because one player in a rush wasn't in the circle, made no sense. My second run I tried to bribe them to stay. Ended with 3 to 2 vote against staying. By the 4th run, I used some psychology and I told them I was a girl person and I pretty sure I shamed them into staying but after the vote was cast to stay, one player disconnected (maybe not on purpose, I don't know). So yes, it is very hard to get people to stay unless you have friends with you.

    This much is certain. It is an issue that will remain an issue, until either the system changes or player's behavior changes. Personally I like the Mad Wizard and it is easy enough beat. If you are one of these "bronze only" players, after you die in the arena, just sit it out in the waiting room. If the developers remove the vote system, there will be no choice to make. I don't see people trying to get through Throne or Madness quickly. In fact, anyone caught AFKing gets kicked real quick from those skirmish.

    I seldom play skirmish and mostly run dungeons. I am not a big diamond hound either, but if that is your thing, go for it. I play games to have fun. Quitting because it is a challenge is not fun.

    For the AD runner, they want the shortest time to finish it. The shortest time to finish Mad Wizard is bronze. There is no shorter way to finish Throne or Madness besides killing stuff fast. Even though sometime killing too fast may bug it and not get gold, AD runners do not care as long as it is finished fast.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • dafrca#4810 dafrca Member Posts: 469 Arc User
    What am I missing that the idea of building a group that wants to go for the gold and going Private Queue is so bad?

    It seems like doing so would save you a lot of frustration and time.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User

    ok I ran Mad Wizard today as a choice NOT the random. I told players after they announced they wanted bronze, I would be voting for gold. Most players took more time trying to change my mind than allowing the skirmish to start.

    Some players try to discuss in the beginning. But I don't see a reason to negotiate at that time. We are all stuck in the run already. Should just start it. After the first round, see who has the leverage. I rarely say anything because if the others want gold, I don't want to dissuade them.

    I only state my intention to leave after the first round if someone cared enough to ask. Otherwise I leave them alone. The only other time I say something is when I am paingiver by far and the other four obviously are low-geared toons. I gently remind them that they will go for gold without me and they will be here for at least a half hour more, and risk no reward if they wipe. Surprisingly, many are stubborn enough to go gold.
  • preechr#2215 preechr Member Posts: 488 Arc User

    and I told them I was a girl person

    Lol that's awesome....

    Surprised it didn't work better

    Some players try to discuss in the beginning. But I don't see a reason to negotiate at that time.

    I think she may have been responding to what I asked about whether people were stating their intentions ahead of the vote, but my point was doing that to try to find people that would private que with you, assuming you could find at least one or two people that had the same goals you do

    Sounds like she just couldn't find anyone that wanted to run gold

  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    @namelesshero347 and @preechr#2215 First I read this discussion and then ran a simple test to see how many times I would need to do the gambit over and over before getting a gold. I decided before starting, not to say anything about voting unless prompted by others, such as someone asking for bronze.

    In every run some person said "bronze plz". What amazed me, in my first run I hit the start button and someone asked for bronze. I am not a speedy typist and had time to say, "I am going to make it rain, I plan to vote gold". Then an entire discussion ensued with two players in the campfire trying to dissuade me. I was the only one out of 5 saying gold like I have awesome god-like powers.

    By the 4th run I changed it up because begging and bribery was not working. I said something along the lines of, "I am a girl and we like gold." only after the usual bronze request. I understand and can empathize with those who only want to cut and run, but here is the thing I will never understand; If you are playing for AD, the better drop is at gold for the companion item. Most of the gold runs seem to drop +3 blues, from the 4th run, I got a necklace worth 19K AD I sold in the AH same day. But good luck getting a purple that is only 4K AD salvage anyways. If I was AD hungry, I would be hitting it gold all day every day and when you hit the 36K cap pass the extra items off to your alternates. It makes no sense to vote "leave" after you finish silver, since you are 66% done. But some players do this and it is weird.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,470 Arc User


    By the 4th run I changed it up because begging and bribery was not working. I said something along the lines of, "I am a girl and we like gold." only after the usual bronze request. I understand and can empathize with those who only want to cut and run, but here is the thing I will never understand; If you are playing for AD, the better drop is at gold for the companion item. Most of the gold runs seem to drop +3 blues, from the 4th run, I got a necklace worth 19K AD I sold in the AH same day. But good luck getting a purple that is only 4K AD salvage anyways. If I was AD hungry, I would be hitting it gold all day every day and when you hit the 36K cap pass the extra items off to your alternates. It makes no sense to vote "leave" after you finish silver, since you are 66% done. But some players do this and it is weird.

    It is either gold or bronze. For those who plays for AD, they don't care much about the gold drop. The gold drop MAY give you something better but no guarantee. Doing bronze and success will for sure give you one piece. Doing gold and fails gives you nothing. AD runners probably have many toons. They want to run things fast (one RQ skirmish and one RQ dungeon) and then switch toon.

    If they want gold, they will use their BEST toon, form a private group and farm for gold for many runs. It is not effective to use a AD run alt character to farm for gold with random people.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    Wiping IG still gives the RAD for Random Queuing.
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  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    Some people just don't know when to throw in the towel. Sometimes I spy on the instance after I leave just to see what the others do afterwards or to get an estimate when they finished gold.

    The other day, I was in a run where the vote was 2-2. A 10K GF with the lowest DPS, by far, cast the deciding vote to stay. So I left. I checked shortly after I left, and the three other DPS was already in the traps area (guess they knew to wipe after realizing they lost their top DPS and only buffer). But the GF was still in the fight. After 15 minutes, they were still there, the GF alone fighting LOL.
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  • rannxeroxxrannxeroxx Member Posts: 168 Arc User



    I am no expert on skirmishes. I am currently sitting dead in a mad wizards lair watching three players go for gold. I died intentionally after the bronze part, which went quickly with me as top damage, but they are now into the thirty minute mark at I would guess 1/5 gold.

    The item levels of the other players are: 2665, 235, 1512, and 3931. So a pretty useless group who just never knew when to give it up.

    Finished typing this out and they are almost thirty five minutes in and could wipe...oh the tension! Wipe is close and yip wiped at just before thirty five minutes so around thirty minutes wasted time...

    I think they should up the prizes for completion and pull it from the random. That would allow people who actively choose it to know others want to do it as well. If you go in random, no guarantee you will get a good group, best to go in with at least two other players you know with good toons.

    Even halfway decent groups that are not struggling at all I see not get gold in all three and not get the epic drops they want. I fine this a complete waste of time as random.

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