UNlLOCK Random epic dungeons for ALL level 70 players and get over with that random queue problem ?

pantha7

Votes ....raise your hands...
Requirements to join Epic random queues will be 12k item level with 28% everfrost resistanse for tong and fbi alike ...

mebengalsfan

pantha7 said:

Votes ....raise your hands...
Requirements to join Epic random queues will be 12k item level with 28% everfrost resistanse for tong and fbi alike ...

They did implement account unlock. This does some what you highlighted.

For instance, I have a GF that is 12K IL and has not done SKT, SoMI, or CoA. Yet with 12b lands my GF will have FBI and MSPC opened due to the fact other characters I have can run those Dungeons.

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oldbaldyone

pantha7 said:

endgame content must be unlocked for everyone...account unlock doesn't solves anything...if you have multiple accounts for example...

You aren't really supposed to have multiple accounts and I doubt they are really concerned about the struggles of people who do.

Looking through your brief post history, I'm not sure this is the game for you. No offense intended, but most of your posts are aimed at making this game, which is already very easy for the most part, easier. I don't disagree in some aspects and I don't totally disagree with you here....but just saying.

The only real problem I have is that they tied MSP and FBI to ETOS and such....those should be separate.

mebengalsfan

pantha7 said:

endgame content must be unlocked for everyone...account unlock doesn't solves anything...if you have multiple accounts for example...

pantha7 said:

endgame content must be unlocked for everyone...account unlock doesn't solves anything...if you have multiple accounts for example...

I think content should be unlocked by IL and not the need to grind through a campaign. The campaign should be just bonus IL for players who grind it out or the special dungeon key.

As for having multiple accounts, there is no need to have multiple accounts. Just save up AD and buy additional character slots.

asterotg

pantha7 said:

endgame content must be unlocked for everyone...account unlock doesn't solves anything...if you have multiple accounts for example...

Yes, I have 14 praying alts, who would like to get a whiff of FBI and MSP. You think, that I am joking? Yes, I am, but sadly I have met ppl with worse gear and built. I have seen these chars in VT, ESOT, CN etc. Ppl pushing for min IL with useless gear, wondering, why the tank does 10 times their dmg and complaining, that someone starts a vote kick, just because their friend went AFK for 10 minutes.

The same ppl would populate random epic que and make it impossible to run anything more difficult, then VT or ELOL. As it was, I ended soloing Orcus half of the times, when i did que for CN. Getting rid of min IL etc. would solve nothing, but make things worse.

Regarding random que, the best feature they could come up with, would be, that you cant get qued with ppl from your ignore list. This way, you would have to tolerate each of these slackers just once.

belzar

pantha7 said:

Votes ....raise your hands...
Requirements to join Epic random queues will be 12k item level with 28% everfrost resistanse for tong and fbi alike ...

I imagine that you are one of the level 70 players I was complaining about in my post that would enter a lower level dungeon and blow past everything without killing anything and leave the lower level players to flounder.. they did NOT make this game just for high level power players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can understand why you say what you did.. probably sick of carrying weak asses like me thru dungoens.. get over it..its not all about you.

baxtersmom

I believe there is a problem with the Random queue quest. My best character (I have 5) is a very strong SW, who is a leader in her guild. I have been playing Neverwinter for over a year, almost daily. I have been completing quest lines in order with her (except PVP which I personally dislike) as we go. Working on doing the daily stuff needed to support my guild takes up a lot of time. I have carried Fangbreaker Island in my quest book for months because I could not get my gear score high enough without simply buying everything with AD. I'm a VIP player, so I do support the game. However, I have not completed the River District yet, and have not unlocked the top two Epic Dungeons. Because of this I cannot even queue for a Random Epic Dungeon. I can no longer get the Dungoneer's Shard of Power from the Cleric to help my guild build because of this. Random Dungeon -- don't know why that has to be a thing -- but it's ok -- just allow the queue to be for whatever you have unlocked. The Devs have tanked this part of the game for me completely.

darkan

have 12k IL is not enought because many players can reach easIily that IL and not have good gear or if even not ready for the epic dungeons like FBI, MSP or TONG because i agreed to run in epic random quee need unlock all dungeons but i dont agreed players are lv 70 and have 12K+ IL if want earn AD must run players lv 10 with IL <100k IL in a clock tower in random quee´s so i sugest devs make 3 random quee's one for Players < lv 70 other random quee players lv 70 but IL >12K and other random quee for players lv 70 but IL > 14K. In the first quee random put dungeons not epics in second quee random put epic dungeons but that be versión of normal dungeons like ETOS, EGWD etc and last quee random put FBI, MSP and TONG

werdandi

pantha7 said:

Votes ....raise your hands...
Requirements to join Epic random queues will be 12k item level with 28% everfrost resistanse for tong and fbi alike ...

The old system was not so bad regarding the item level requirements (three tiers) depending on the difficulty of the dungeon.
But random epic queues can work as they are now, except for FBI and MSP.
And most important point: people should not prevented from getting strongholds shards because they haven't unlocked everything.

For random FBI, MSPC, I would prefer 12k excluding guild boons (so 14k minimum if players have 2k guild boons).
Otherwise, you will end with fake 12k people that are barely above 10k in reality with a huge risk of failure.

mebengalsfan

darkan#3756 said:

have 12k IL is not enought because many players can reach easIily that IL and not have good gear or if even not ready for the epic dungeons like FBI, MSP or TONG because i agreed to run in epic random quee need unlock all dungeons but i dont agreed players are lv 70 and have 12K+ IL if want earn AD must run players lv 10 with IL <100k IL in a clock tower in random quee´s so i sugest devs make 3 random quee's one for Players < lv 70 other random quee players lv 70 but IL >12K and other random quee for players lv 70 but IL > 14K. In the first quee random put dungeons not epics in second quee random put epic dungeons but that be versión of normal dungeons like ETOS, EGWD etc and last quee random put FBI, MSP and TONG

You know some 16k+ are not ready for those dungeons either. I have ran with some really good 11-12K player that put some 16k+ players to shame. I had a 16K GWF get beat by a 12K CW in a FBI. Knowing your build, not dying, etc...is more critical than IL.

I have seen this mentality in other MMO games where Item Level/Gear Score is the driving factor to pick up a player to run the latest content. I always go with first come first serve as long as the player can get into the content. About 50% of the time the higher gear scored player gets beat because they are not optimized or the player simply bought their way to end game and have no clue what they are doing.

The thing is though, this is a game and in the grand scheme of things when all is said and done in life, this game and what we do in the game really does not matter or define who we are.

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mebengalsfan

pantha7 said:

My op 11.4k ran Tong to the end... other 15k+ don't know how to play their classes...
Anyway...can we have the unlock requirements for random epic dungeons removed for ALL level 70 players who are 11k iL and above...?

Like I said. Keep the dungeon IL requirement but do not put the dungeon behind a campaign to unlock it.

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micky1p00

pantha7 said:

My op 11.4k ran Tong to the end... other 15k+ don't know how to play their classes...

Really?



Then don't make groups by IL, but somehow I doubt that's the problem...

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mebengalsfan

pantha7 said:

micky1p00 said:

pantha7 said:

My op 11.4k ran Tong to the end... other 15k+ don't know how to play their classes...

Really?



Then don't make groups by IL, but somehow I doubt that's the problem...

Busted !
i didn't say that i completed Tong succesfully killing the boss...a guy was lagging a lot, he was wiping every time either with the pushing or with the souls ...i wiped two times ...one with the pushing , one with souls...FFS...we abandoned instance thanks to Cryptic to make it difficult...

It is the current end game dungeon, it should be difficult. As should the prior two end game dungeons. All T3 content should be difficult until T4 lands. Once you get into T4 you will get better gear which means more stats and that means T3 and T2 content becomes easier.

ecrana

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

It is the current end game dungeon, it should be difficult.

I don't have a problem with the difficulty of the dungeon so much as the random cheapness of it but the 1 hit kills are the forte of NW.

Also, on almost every single run I've been on, there have been numerous occasions where multiple people can't see the hands come up to tip the platform. The lag gets unreal in the dungeon most times (on XB1). It's actually not a tough dungeon from a strategic standpoint. It is an unforgiving dungeon though so if you make a mistake, or fall victim to the lag, than it's game over. And it's a friggin scroll fest at that last boss.

mebengalsfan

ecrana#2080 said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

It is the current end game dungeon, it should be difficult.

I don't have a problem with the difficulty of the dungeon so much as the random cheapness of it but the 1 hit kills are the forte of NW.

Also, on almost every single run I've been on, there have been numerous occasions where multiple people can't see the hands come up to tip the platform. The lag gets unreal in the dungeon most times (on XB1). It's actually not a tough dungeon from a strategic standpoint. It is an unforgiving dungeon though so if you make a mistake, or fall victim to the lag, than it's game over. And it's a friggin scroll fest at that last boss.

The problem is as players become stronger and have cap stats the only way the devs can make content difficult is adding one shots. If the community could deal with producing significantly less damage and have hard caps on stats than the devs can modify the game so that mechanics matter and one shots will be the thing of the past.

I will state this though, if this happen, we are talking a major game adjustment from level 1 to all end game content. Modification of bonding, augment companions, etc...modification to buffs, debuffs, powers sharing, base damage output, etc...

I have seen this happen more than once and it is not pretty after the initial update to the game. Many players feel cheated as they would not be able to solo content that they can solo today. For instance, no more solo T1 or T2 runs by anyone as it would greatly improve the difficulty of the game. Healer would be a thing. A 3rd support role would become a thing as well.

This game has potential but given the outlash by the community from the bonding update, I don't think the community here could handle an actual full game revamp.

niceduck

TONG should have IL limit 14k or 15k, it is not place for anyone under that. Altought Main reason is classes are broken, so those should be fixed 1st, then dungeons.

ravenskya

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

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mebengalsfan

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

ravenskya

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

Pally is 14.5 Hr is 13 something or other.

Ran the HR through Tong last night as the only DPS just to see if she could hold up. We shuffled around our characters to bring in the "meta" group we keep hearing about. Took us 42 minutes (granted there was dog walking somewhere in the middle and a phone call) I guess if everyone is end game the OP, GF, 2 DC and a DPS is meta... but we are much faster an more efficient when not in the meta.

But yeah - solo DPSed a tong on a 13k hr, I think almost everyone in the group was on characters in the 13-14 range other than one 15k.

mebengalsfan

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

Pally is 14.5 Hr is 13 something or other.

Ran the HR through Tong last night as the only DPS just to see if she could hold up. We shuffled around our characters to bring in the "meta" group we keep hearing about. Took us 42 minutes (granted there was dog walking somewhere in the middle and a phone call) I guess if everyone is end game the OP, GF, 2 DC and a DPS is meta... but we are much faster an more efficient when not in the meta.

But yeah - solo DPSed a tong on a 13k hr, I think almost everyone in the group was on characters in the 13-14 range other than one 15k.

You never played Becky like I asked...I'm very disappointed in you. You know if you played Becky all the GWF out there would be swapping to a new class. Time to play Becky. LOL....

ravenskya

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

Pally is 14.5 Hr is 13 something or other.

Ran the HR through Tong last night as the only DPS just to see if she could hold up. We shuffled around our characters to bring in the "meta" group we keep hearing about. Took us 42 minutes (granted there was dog walking somewhere in the middle and a phone call) I guess if everyone is end game the OP, GF, 2 DC and a DPS is meta... but we are much faster an more efficient when not in the meta.

But yeah - solo DPSed a tong on a 13k hr, I think almost everyone in the group was on characters in the 13-14 range other than one 15k.

You never played Becky like I asked...I'm very disappointed in you. You know if you played Becky all the GWF out there would be swapping to a new class. Time to play Becky. LOL....

I did play her for a few days worth of scrub runs - she has fabulous luck in the winter festival so she will be reappearing there. I just can't bring myself to like playing her lol

mebengalsfan

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

Pally is 14.5 Hr is 13 something or other.

Ran the HR through Tong last night as the only DPS just to see if she could hold up. We shuffled around our characters to bring in the "meta" group we keep hearing about. Took us 42 minutes (granted there was dog walking somewhere in the middle and a phone call) I guess if everyone is end game the OP, GF, 2 DC and a DPS is meta... but we are much faster an more efficient when not in the meta.

But yeah - solo DPSed a tong on a 13k hr, I think almost everyone in the group was on characters in the 13-14 range other than one 15k.

You never played Becky like I asked...I'm very disappointed in you. You know if you played Becky all the GWF out there would be swapping to a new class. Time to play Becky. LOL....

I did play her for a few days worth of scrub runs - she has fabulous luck in the winter festival so she will be reappearing there. I just can't bring myself to like playing her lol

Put DEX away for a few months and play Becky. I want to see the NERF that GWF get after you get into playing Becky. LOL...

ravenskya

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

Pally is 14.5 Hr is 13 something or other.

Ran the HR through Tong last night as the only DPS just to see if she could hold up. We shuffled around our characters to bring in the "meta" group we keep hearing about. Took us 42 minutes (granted there was dog walking somewhere in the middle and a phone call) I guess if everyone is end game the OP, GF, 2 DC and a DPS is meta... but we are much faster an more efficient when not in the meta.

But yeah - solo DPSed a tong on a 13k hr, I think almost everyone in the group was on characters in the 13-14 range other than one 15k.

You never played Becky like I asked...I'm very disappointed in you. You know if you played Becky all the GWF out there would be swapping to a new class. Time to play Becky. LOL....

I did play her for a few days worth of scrub runs - she has fabulous luck in the winter festival so she will be reappearing there. I just can't bring myself to like playing her lol

Put DEX away for a few months and play Becky. I want to see the NERF that GWF get after you get into playing Becky. LOL...

Well I finished all of the campaigns on the Pally, and Dex... I put the TR on the shelf until they make them viable, and I don't really need another tank so I guess Waffles will hang out where she is. I have been debating on who to work on next - maybe it WILL be Becky. lol Mod 13 the nerf of the GWF brought to you by - Raven

mebengalsfan

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:

ravenskya said:

I don't know that 14K would be the min - I mean I tank it at 13.5 - but then I'm with dps that are in the 15's. The DC's that I run with range from 12.5-16. My HR has been through it at 12.5 but I wouldn't do that without my friends being on their strongest characters. As a DPS she doesn't belong in there at 12.5.

Where is you HR these days? Did you get to increase the IL of your HR and OP with double refinement?

Pally is 14.5 Hr is 13 something or other.

Ran the HR through Tong last night as the only DPS just to see if she could hold up. We shuffled around our characters to bring in the "meta" group we keep hearing about. Took us 42 minutes (granted there was dog walking somewhere in the middle and a phone call) I guess if everyone is end game the OP, GF, 2 DC and a DPS is meta... but we are much faster an more efficient when not in the meta.

But yeah - solo DPSed a tong on a 13k hr, I think almost everyone in the group was on characters in the 13-14 range other than one 15k.

You never played Becky like I asked...I'm very disappointed in you. You know if you played Becky all the GWF out there would be swapping to a new class. Time to play Becky. LOL....

I did play her for a few days worth of scrub runs - she has fabulous luck in the winter festival so she will be reappearing there. I just can't bring myself to like playing her lol

Put DEX away for a few months and play Becky. I want to see the NERF that GWF get after you get into playing Becky. LOL...

Well I finished all of the campaigns on the Pally, and Dex... I put the TR on the shelf until they make them viable, and I don't really need another tank so I guess Waffles will hang out where she is. I have been debating on who to work on next - maybe it WILL be Becky. lol Mod 13 the nerf of the GWF brought to you by - Raven

I have just two campaigns for my CW, DC and SW to work on. My GF needs 3 as it is tough playing a defensive player in content when others like to bring adds onto you for no reason what so ever. Ugh...I may just buy STK on her if I can.

rjc9000

Players should feel pride and accomplishment for unlocking dungeons through long and tedious campaigns.

asterotg

I cant run epic dungeons with 2 13k+ toons, bc of the missiing everfrost resistance. Giving the orb to alts, would be a blast. Removing min IL would result in even more failed runs. As it is ppl push alts with crappy gear above min IL and wonder, why they fail.

I dont get, why ppl go for gear dependent builds with such crappy gear. With a 11k DC, play DO and not AC, your power share via AA sucks and TI runs on its own. SS Thraum CWs doing zero dmg instead of MOF CWs buffing the group. With loadouts, they could use a build depending on the content they join, but hey, let the other players do your work.

I want to run epic dungeons with 500 IL. I want to run TONG with my 13k toon in max. 25 minutes and damn these selfish 15k+ players for excluding me. Sarcasm off.