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Gwf rework? Whats the plan ARC?
trentbail21
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I tag you all here today to discuss the GWF changes that were hinted to pretty much last year in a developer stream and see what you have to say on the topic. I watched the last developer stream you did and was told that TR's might be next? Did you forget about the GWF rework?
Here are my suggestions:
1. Totally rework instigator to make frontline surge and takedown prone like they used to in PvP. Currently they only STUN players. Put something else in the instigator capstone too its pretty lackluster compared to the other two.
2. Can we get a dodge frame or unstoppable immunity frame or two? You gave SW's one and currently GWF's are the only class without one. Since unstoppable got its HUGE temporary HP nerf I think its about time we look into this.
3. Can you possibly and I mean SERIOUSLY im begging you to make UNSTOPPABLE break out of TR's courage breaker. Its pretty much a death sentence in PvP at this moment with all the piercing damage and GF's murdering people in like 3 hits. Not letting us break out of courage breaker is crazy seeing how mobility is how we stay alive on a node with a couple of people.
4. Back to the courage breaker topic. When a gf gets CBED he can block right? When a tr, hr, dc, wizard or pally get cbed they can block/dodge right? Why can't gwf's and SW's shift or run? Seems like a major oversight to me.
I hope you all take this into consideration and if you see this post PLEASE POST a reply so we all know you are thinking about us PvPers. We feel extremely abandoned.
-Trent the Barbarian.
I tag you all here today to discuss the GWF changes that were hinted to pretty much last year in a developer stream and see what you have to say on the topic. I watched the last developer stream you did and was told that TR's might be next? Did you forget about the GWF rework?
Here are my suggestions:
1. Totally rework instigator to make frontline surge and takedown prone like they used to in PvP. Currently they only STUN players. Put something else in the instigator capstone too its pretty lackluster compared to the other two.
2. Can we get a dodge frame or unstoppable immunity frame or two? You gave SW's one and currently GWF's are the only class without one. Since unstoppable got its HUGE temporary HP nerf I think its about time we look into this.
3. Can you possibly and I mean SERIOUSLY im begging you to make UNSTOPPABLE break out of TR's courage breaker. Its pretty much a death sentence in PvP at this moment with all the piercing damage and GF's murdering people in like 3 hits. Not letting us break out of courage breaker is crazy seeing how mobility is how we stay alive on a node with a couple of people.
4. Back to the courage breaker topic. When a gf gets CBED he can block right? When a tr, hr, dc, wizard or pally get cbed they can block/dodge right? Why can't gwf's and SW's shift or run? Seems like a major oversight to me.
I hope you all take this into consideration and if you see this post PLEASE POST a reply so we all know you are thinking about us PvPers. We feel extremely abandoned.
-Trent the Barbarian.
Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
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As even now i myself find it difficult to keep my dps up to pile with GF , CW and HR which of the same ilvl.
Please do look into those facts and don't nerf our DPS .
Other classes can shield, aggro, buff, debuff, and heal, all in addition to doing their DPS. What does the GWF bring to the table? DPS. That's it. There is little, if nothing, that a GWF can bring into a party, except a big sword and the joy of swinging it. (At least I haven't found anything else). GWFs have poor defense, and a highly limited "sprint".
Bringing GWFs damage "in line" with other classes is folly. If they can't bring a ton more damage to the party, then... why would a party want them at all?
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
Give them damage stacks worth less than the Destroyer (or, interestingly, give them damage stacks that are easier to manage), but exchange it for some passive party buffs like bonus damage or bonus Crit chance.
EDIT: I think I pressed the quote button twice lmao
Also, please make Daring Shout, Roar, and Battle fury provide massive party buffs as a feat in either instigator or sentinel paths. This would be a viable alternative to personal DPS buffs in the destroyer tree. A warrior class with a giant sword is meant to rally his comrades in battle. His yells on the battlefield should provide improved DR, recovery, and movement speed for its duration.
Lastly, take reaping strike and toss it in the trash. Worst At Will in the game. If you're loading up/charging it and get hit by anything it cancels the attack and you have to start over. For a rooted melee attack it's the dumbest possible mechanic. If you don't agree, please try using it lol. If you want to keep it, please consider allowing it to take several hits before cancelling the attack while charging and then triple its damage. I can land 10 blows in the time it takes to charge 1 reaping strike,and for a class that relies on stacks to deal damage, I've lost all my stocks in that charging period as well. It's just dumb in every way possible.
How did the CW get better over time? Was it because of power creep or just the many mini-nerf's we've had last few mods?
On a good note, did FBI with 3 gwf's yesterday and we demolished it!
Im not even worried about damage other then the fact that pvp GF's do more damage then GWF's and can actually block stuff. Seems a bit unfair if you ask me.
Any possible communication would show us that you care and would be extremely appreciated.
If a tr hits you with courage breaker just leap off the screen...
Courage breaker is the one skill that bypasses all counters. That is how the skill is designed. You can use symbol of air to escape once a tr hits you with courage breaker as well.
You can also use armor enchants or ring's that turn you invisible.
Gwf can do amazing damage with the right setup like most classes, but what else can they do? They have limited strong defenses, sprint to avoid red zones, leap to avoid strong damage effects or to remove themselves from the fight long enough to cool down an attack.
Should Gwf get a rework before tr?
Yes 100%
If not before then at the same time.
They went to far with the GWF nerfs. Roar was what was being abused and intimidation before that was over-nerfed. If they wAnted to adjust takedown just remove the cooldown reset on miss. That and frontline surge. GWF has no means other than a daily to lock down someone.
Does it make much sense? GWF has to deal damage and receive a large portion to buff it's own damage. GF simply has to take a couple hits receive its buffs. On top of that they got to keep their ability to prone. GWF doesn't have the luxury of blocking out damage until encounters are off CD. It's like the trapper for PVE. It's way too perfectly optimized and abusable.
Wish mighty leap was replaced with a jumping attack with your weapon. That sounds like some fun. Bored as hell with the GWF. IBS and that's it... And HAMSTER like.... ALL of the DC's AoE encounters deal twice or more damage than any of the GWF's encounters. What the hell's been going on for the past 3 years. GWF has been left with useless powers for entire lifespan of the game. DC out of any other class has the most powers that are usable, including offensive ones. Why can't that BS be applied for the HR, SW, GWF, and TR?
WHY aren't the devs doing more to make all powers at least remotely viable or usable at least.
"1. Totally rework instigator to make frontline surge and takedown prone like they used to in PvP. Currently they only STUN players. Put something else in the instigator capstone too its pretty lackluster compared to the other two."
I agree i think all our powers need to prone our opponents.It could go as similar to manticore companion active power:
We should have a feat that gives us a chance to prone our opponents if we strike a critical. 12/24/36% chance would do.
"2. Can we get a dodge frame or unstoppable immunity frame or two? You gave SW's one and currently GWF's are the only class without one. Since unstoppable got its HUGE temporary HP nerf I think its about time we look into this."
CW has an immunity frame after teleporting.I think it is fair GWf to have aswell.My thought is to have Steel Defense feature rework and give us immunity not during daily but after unstoppable ends.
"3. Can you possibly and I mean SERIOUSLY im begging you to make UNSTOPPABLE break out of TR's courage breaker. Its pretty much a death sentence in PvP at this moment with all the piercing damage and GF's murdering people in like 3 hits. Not letting us break out of courage breaker is crazy seeing how mobility is how we stay alive on a node with a couple of people."
Gf still reigns supreme both in pve/pvp.Class needs a serious rework ,defense reduce,damage reduce and speed reduce.And shield reduce ,they have infinite stamina.
They share this problem with Op which even worst has 360 degrees block.I think as healing depression exists ,guard depression should exist aswell and halve GF/OP stamina by 50% when they enter pvp.
As for SWs this class is bugged forever and SWs always ask for buffs.
TRs spam cc powers ,CB starts then smoke bomb ,they go to DF and then it is smoke bomb again.Class is broken.
I think activating unstopable should break any CC.This is supposed to be,we are barbarians,berserkers how a tiny smoke bomb is dazing us it is beyond me.
Also to add,as other have said before me ,we need weapon damage increase and our buffs to have s horter activation time.Destro capstone etc you name it.It is absurd.
But triggering an immunity while going Unstoppable for a GWF. That makes more sense. It would have to have a cooldown of course so not to spam it. And it would be completely ok and reasonable. My fellow SW always says on the Blue dragon "You all died, but luckily for me I had immunity at the right time".
The downside (since we all have to have some with it) is that we HAVE TO go unstoppable every now and then (our big damage boost) so we can't time it perfectly. So it would be more of a random occurrence and, sometimes, a life saver.
P.S. To be honest PvP can't be balanced anyway in this game without some serious changes in the games core.