Refinement Strategy?

reposterz

Is there any refinement strategy for people that decide not to buy Zen with real money?

I find it hard to refine to legendary level and mythic is way over the hill to effectively get upgraded to those levels for artifact equipment on my Devoted Cleric. I still have to buy coalescent wards at around 400000+ Astral diamonds which is like 1 month worth of playing just for one artifact or artifact weapon...

It would be ideal if cost of refining is brought down or the refining points be brought down for current artifacts and artifact equipement, what do you think?

someonedies

0. Grind, grind, grind, grind, botting.

1. Double Refinement event.

2. Preservation wards instead of Coals.

solbergx

do 3 crafting per day

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demonmonger

My strategy for refinement is to just not refine.

treesclimber

There is a good strategy for artifacts of power, upgrade a bloodcrystal raven skull to lvl 99, upgrade your target artifact to 99, feed the skull to the target artifact(all this during double rp) and you'll see a big profit, you can do the same for stabilkity artifacts with bruenor's helm or defender's banner and for union artifacts with tatician banner, but that will depend on the one you picked from pvp campain.

starkman

magenubbie said:

- do Leadership for RP. Don't open then until Double RP drop or Double RP value events. 3x16h for resonant bags, 3x8H for artifact stone (x2/3 a day)
- don't use CWards. No need. Save the 100s of PWards you get during the Simril festival in the winter.

- Most importantly: don't refine or open boxes unless there's double refinement stone drop /double RP

Say, I'm pretty new, so could you explain a few things for me, please.

a) Not opening until Double RP drop or Double RP value events: what does this mean? and is this the same thing as what you said about not opening boxes unless there's double refinement stone drop/double RP?

b) What do you mean by 3x16h, 3x8H and x2/3?

c) If a CWard A guarantees a 100% success of an upgrade (per Wiki), why would you not use it?

Thanks very much,

someonedies

starkman#8414 said:

magenubbie said:

- do Leadership for RP. Don't open then until Double RP drop or Double RP value events. 3x16h for resonant bags, 3x8H for artifact stone (x2/3 a day)
- don't use CWards. No need. Save the 100s of PWards you get during the Simril festival in the winter.

- Most importantly: don't refine or open boxes unless there's double refinement stone drop /double RP

Say, I'm pretty new, so could you explain a few things for me, please.

a) Not opening until Double RP drop or Double RP value events: what does this mean? and is this the same thing as what you said about not opening boxes unless there's double refinement stone drop/double RP?

b) What do you mean by 3x16h, 3x8H and x2/3?

c) If a CWard A guarantees a 100% success of an upgrade (per Wiki), why would you not use it?

Thanks very much,

a. Inventory space

b. http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Leadership

c. 100 Preservation wards

plasticbat

starkman#8414 said:

magenubbie said:

- do Leadership for RP. Don't open then until Double RP drop or Double RP value events. 3x16h for resonant bags, 3x8H for artifact stone (x2/3 a day)
- don't use CWards. No need. Save the 100s of PWards you get during the Simril festival in the winter.

- Most importantly: don't refine or open boxes unless there's double refinement stone drop /double RP

Say, I'm pretty new, so could you explain a few things for me, please.

a) Not opening until Double RP drop or Double RP value events: what does this mean? and is this the same thing as what you said about not opening boxes unless there's double refinement stone drop/double RP?

b) What do you mean by 3x16h, 3x8H and x2/3?

c) If a CWard A guarantees a 100% success of an upgrade (per Wiki), why would you not use it?

Thanks very much,

c) C-ward is expensive. If the successful rate of the refinement is 90%, using a C-ward is a waste. I personally do not use a C-ward except the successful rate (without C-ward) is 1%. Since Artifact equipment does not even has a low 1% success rate, effectively, I never use a C-ward for Artifact Equipment, I use P-ward only for that.

carl103

Also Rank 7 Enchants go for just a few K AD on the AH, in fact check this with general, it can often be cheaper to buy them direct than buy the stuff to upgrade them.

kvet

By inventory space, he means the profession rewards stack, and stack in large numbers, so they only take one slot. When you open them, it will make your finger numb from all the clicking.... But worth it for the unbound RP. Yes, unbound. Use or sell.

The 3x16h means 3 tasks that take a base time of 16 hours. I personally farm reasonance bags, thaumaturgic bags and enchanted coffers (the latter being a base 4h task, so you can end up with a lot in one day).

Of course rank 25 leadership is needed, which will take a large time investment - but it's worth it, at least until Cryptic goes back on previous statements and removes the RP...

C-wards are very very expensive to buy, and very hard to come by free (from the 11-coin invoke box). Use them very sparingly. P-wards are usually a better deal, unless you get very unlucky. Either way, due to cost it's usually better to buy lesser armor/weapon enchants and Rank 7s (sometimes higher levels too - you need to do the math since market conditions change). Rank 8 runestones are typically cheaper to buy than make thanks to lockboxes.

starkman

Hey, thanks, all. I really appreciate the input. It would seem, though, that a 10% success rate of refinement isn't too good and, thus, would warrant the use of a C-Ward, but, I guess, being as expensive as it is, it's better to just forgo the success than pay the price. I get it.

Thanks very much again.

treesclimber

I use P-wards to refine up to R11, R12 is also worth but it takes too much time and there is a chance of failure, so im not bothering about chances there.

greywynd

starkman#8414 said:

Hey, thanks, all. I really appreciate the input. It would seem, though, that a 10% success rate of refinement isn't too good and, thus, would warrant the use of a C-Ward, but, I guess, being as expensive as it is, it's better to just forgo the success than pay the price. I get it.

Thanks very much again.

It depends on your needs and what you feel is an acceptable chance of success to suit your needs.

namelesshero347

R12 success rate is 3%. On average it is 1 in 33 chance. In the zen store 1 Cward = 100 Pwards. So you'd have end up failing more than 3x the average for the Pward route to be more expensive. Anyone who has refined enough knows the RNG can be pretty streaky at times and experiencing failures of 4x, and 5x, the average seem to happen more often than it should. Use the Cward if you want to avoid the possible frustration. But to me, the Cward is like an expensive insurance policy against tail end risk.

starkman

Thanks!

urabask

namelesshero347 said:

R12 success rate is 3%. On average it is 1 in 33 chance. In the zen store 1 Cward = 100 Pwards. So you'd have end up failing more than 3x the average for the Pward route to be more expensive. Anyone who has refined enough knows the RNG can be pretty streaky at times and experiencing failures of 4x, and 5x, the average seem to happen more often than it should. Use the Cward if you want to avoid the possible frustration. But to me, the Cward is like an expensive insurance policy against tail end risk.

This is what I tell myself and then it takes 80 wards to get an artifact to mythic. Sure that's technically less than a ward if I bought it but I've usually got a few bound ones sitting around.

chemjeff

There is a feeder artifact refinement strategy that you can tailor towards your needs. If you check out the wiki on artifacts:

http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Artifact

it lists the RP values needed to reach each level, and also the RP worth of the artifact at each level. If you are refining one artifact into another of the same type (Power, Union, Stability), the RP worth has a x5 bonus multiplier. If you do the refining during 2xRP, that bonus is doubled to yield an overall x10 multiplier. So it is very possible to get far more RP out than you put in. Depending on what level your current artifacts are at, you can judge how many feeder artifacts you'll need to get to your desired level.

Also note that you can chain the feeder artifacts as many times as you wish - put 1 feeder into another feeder, then that result into another, etc., to leverage your RP even further.

starkman

See, I was under the impression that if the upgrade failed, you loose the artifact, but the few posts up brought it othwerise to my attention. I see now why it's not worth wasting the C-Ward. That clears up a lot.

starkman

chemjeff said:

There is a feeder artifact refinement strategy that you can tailor towards your needs. If you check out the wiki on artifacts:

http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Artifact

it lists the RP values needed to reach each level, and also the RP worth of the artifact at each level. If you are refining one artifact into another of the same type (Power, Union, Stability), the RP worth has a x5 bonus multiplier. If you do the refining during 2xRP, that bonus is doubled to yield an overall x10 multiplier. So it is very possible to get far more RP out than you put in. Depending on what level your current artifacts are at, you can judge how many feeder artifacts you'll need to get to your desired level.

Also note that you can chain the feeder artifacts as many times as you wish - put 1 feeder into another feeder, then that result into another, etc., to leverage your RP even further.

Very good info! Thanks!

carl103

Yeah a failed upgrade just costs som,e RP and the regents. Because of the expense of some regents a P ward is absolutely a good investment somtimes. But again, check the price of the marks vs the price of the P wards, somtimes it's cheaper to forgo the P-Ward too.