Saying a Hunter does not use At-Will's is just plain wrong... I cannot count the number of times I have corrected people on that. If you are a Trapper Hunter Ranger using Aspect of the Serpent, you HAVE to use At-Will's to maximise the damage from AotS.
let me correct you i never use at wills aside from hunters teamwork -basicly ur encounters are stronger then anything else enhancing that is the best thing u do if ur only using a vorpal for ur at will then ur sacrificing alot of damage basicly what im trying to say is ur at wills dont do half as much damage as ur encounters and if ur are using at will its not often and really not worth keeping a vorpal over. and if u are using ur at wills to build stacks u will also be losing damage because while ur build another dps is destroying
"first off im gunna say dread and vorpal are both good and yes you loose the crit sev on dailies and at wills now im going to point out that ur a hunter so u shouldent be using at wills at all"
let me correct you i never use at wills aside from hunters teamwork
This is what I mean, you advised a Hunter should not be using At Will's at all, but you now said you do use an At Will.
Just wondering if you have Hunters Teamwork equipped why do you not use Careful Attack? If you do use it that is also an At-Will
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"first off im gunna say dread and vorpal are both good and yes you loose the crit sev on dailies and at wills now im going to point out that ur a hunter so u shouldent be using at wills at all"
let me correct you i never use at wills aside from hunters teamwork
This is what I mean, you advised a Hunter should not be using At Will's at all, but you now said you do use an At Will.
Just wondering if you have Hunters Teamwork equipped why do you not use Careful Attack? If you do use it that is also an At-Will
careful attack is what i use they should not be using rapid shot aimed shot spilt shot and or electric shot and i find it funny that u are picking out the smallest thing its cute really im sorry u waste damage on sitting there using ur trigger to build stacks(i know what ur talking about because i to used to do that but i run with a warlock and gwf i tend to lose damage trying to build stacks thats when i learned it was a waste of time at the end of the day if ur using any trigger other then careful attack u will be losing damage not maxing it) but every hunter does something alittle different and i dont think ur a bad hunter for it however this form is about the dread enchantment if u want to talk to me about triggers and builds send me a message but this form needs to be about what the person asked which is why i pointed out that keeping a vorp for at wills and dallies would make no sense your at wills are weak (uhh aside from careful attack just because ur picky i will throw that in there )and ur dallies are not as strong as other classes but ur encounters are the best things u have for constant damage noticing you to are a higher up hunter u should know that and would hopfully "advise" people the the best enchantment for hunters is dread although vorpal is a very close second and ur not going to be wrong choosing one over the other its all about play style and FUN and they should make there choice for themselves!
I've been playing Ney again with a trans dread...have to say I like it a lot. Hard to compare straight up dps vs vorpal but I am happy with the numbers I'm seeing...
Thing is dude those 2 screen shots are not really a comparison. You have a different group each time.
The screenshot with the Trans Plaguefire shows the run only took 38mins and you did 124mil... thus a shorter run doing less damage. The screenshot with the Trans Vorpal shows it took 53mins but you did more damage.
Out of the 2 I would say screenshot 1 is better due to it taking much less time to do the run, but still different group set ups so hard to tell
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Why would you have any faith in the timers. I have joined games at the last camp fire and it show an hour and I was only engaged for 10 mins. Have you not ever seen this before, you've played as long as I have. Trust me, I would not spend 3 hrs on spiders but I have a screen shot that I did.
The second shot, I do recall waiting at two camp fires but I don't think for that long and I did not start with the group. They were working on the fifth or sixth mob.
These two runs were recent, only running them for the Influence to feed the coffer. Most of the time, I join at the last camp fire because the group collectively is 2100'ish iL.
One more edit... I joined at a last camp fire where the group had failed a number of times, no one matched a name on the leader board. There must have been 30-40 enemy that spawned from the portals. It was freaking chaos! I saw them at the gate figured it would reset when we entered. No! And I had their attention. I managed to wipe them all and solo the last third of the dragon. I was two mill shy of the lead which was 58 and change.
but the at wills are a much much smaller part of the equation than the encounters. I sold my perfect vorpal last night and traded for a greater dread, my cn score was a great deal higher than I'd ever seen it after the switch. given how constantly we're doing encounters pretty sure they're more important than dailies and at wills.
I'm a hundred k ad short of making a perfect dread. no looking back imo.
Yeah the only way you're going to tell which is better after to runs is if you're running with the same group and takes the same amount of time. AND EVEN THEN there are still variables, which runs did your rotations hit with maximum buffs/debuffs going out and so on.
In my experience with Vorpal and Dread. Dread is clearly the winner and I have both (pure vorp and trans dread) currently to swap out to attest to that claim. Not to mention PC players with access to ACT show better results with Dread.
The only thing that sucks is losing that extra damage on Seismic and CA and with Lostmauth getting nerfed CA won't even be doing as much damage as it used to.
@thefiresidecat, so guessing roughly 1.2-1.5 mill for the Vorp... wow, that Dread is expensive. I will be home in an hour. Might buy a Dread.
@sax1993, oh did I notice the drop in damage with SS when using the t.Plag. But the encounters were better it seems, might of been an illusion with the debuff and extra output from the companion and group.
@davidagaldo I got 2.8 million for my vorpal. the greater dread was 1.6 million. the perfect dreads are selling for 4 million. having bought one half and making the other half by my math I'll be in it for for about 3.3 million (I have a decent amount of refinement hanging about from crafting)
Why would you have any faith in the timers. I have joined games at the last camp fire and it show an hour and I was only engaged for 10 mins. Have you not ever seen this before, you've played as long as I have. Trust me, I would not spend 3 hrs on spiders but I have a screen shot that I did.
The second shot, I do recall waiting at two camp fires but I don't think for that long and I did not start with the group. They were working on the fifth or sixth mob.
These two runs were recent, only running them for the Influence to feed the coffer. Most of the time, I join at the last camp fire because the group collectively is 2100'ish iL.
One more edit... I joined at a last camp fire where the group had failed a number of times, no one matched a name on the leader board. There must have been 30-40 enemy that spawned from the portals. It was freaking chaos! I saw them at the gate figured it would reset when we entered. No! And I had their attention. I managed to wipe them all and solo the last third of the dragon. I was two mill shy of the lead which was 58 and change.
Yeah I wasn`t having a go at you or anything dude, but you have just confirmed what I said, that those 2 runs cannot be compared against each other.
Yes you have done decent damage in the runs but as a comparison you just cannot compare the 2 against each other
Also I`m not sure if you noticed that the timers seem to be more accurate these days, but they have taken away out ability to solo Dread Legion and Master of the Hunt... which sucks
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A detailed comparison can't be made but the take away is this... with the second run using the Vorpal, having joined with about a quarter of it completed, I managed to finish strong. Thats all.
@thefiresidecat I nearly pulled the trigger and bought a Perfect Dread. Wow. They are pricey. I will hold out. The prices will come down, always do.
This morning I ran with a CW with a Pe.Dread and Lostmauth set. He only had 400iL more than me and I have the Imperial set. He was stealing my DPS. Mid-way he was 8 mill over me but I reeled him in to just under 2 mil. So I am curious what it is I can do with the Dread.
@davidagaldo I liked the Dread so much that I made a second one, it's only pure, but you can talk to Taco, he's got it atm and is testing it out. I'm out at a conference in vegas til thursday, so feel free to chat with him about using it...when I get back you can try out the trans...
Ran edemo with a 3k plus group the other night, did 5 runs with pretty much the same group the entire time...this wasn't a guild run but definitely wasn't your standard pug. Very much a DPS race with a few people...I topped the board all 5 runs by an average of around 16m over second place...beat out a 3.7 CW, 3.7 TR, 3.5 GWF...3 were in the 70m range, 1 at 84m, and 1 at 68. First phase 3 of us would be tied, 2nd phase I pulled ahead by around 7m and third phase I pulled ahead by around 9m more...
I will say that I have noticed the drop off in damage from seismic shot...
I don't know how this compares directly to the vorpal, just throwing these out there... and probably should have swapped it back in for a run, but was having too much fun as it was...
perfect dread kind of changes the way a person might play. I think the stacks are just a little less important. and spamming thru encounters is a little more important.
as far as vorpal vs dread a lower dread is still more powerful than a higher vorpal.
as far as prices going down.. not for awhile. I think people are still discovering dread. I think it's going to go up before it goes down.
@davidagaldo I liked the Dread so much that I made a second one, it's only pure, but you can talk to Taco, he's got it atm and is testing it out. I'm out at a conference in vegas til thursday, so feel free to chat with him about using it...when I get back you can try out the trans...
Ran edemo with a 3k plus group the other night, did 5 runs with pretty much the same group the entire time...this wasn't a guild run but definitely wasn't your standard pug. Very much a DPS race with a few people...I topped the board all 5 runs by an average of around 16m over second place...beat out a 3.7 CW, 3.7 TR, 3.5 GWF...3 were in the 70m range, 1 at 84m, and 1 at 68. First phase 3 of us would be tied, 2nd phase I pulled ahead by around 7m and third phase I pulled ahead by around 9m more...
I will say that I have noticed the drop off in damage from seismic shot...
I don't know how this compares directly to the vorpal, just throwing these out there... and probably should have swapped it back in for a run, but was having too much fun as it was...
Funnily enough I have dropped Seismic Shot just after Mount's Insignia's came out etc and I picked up a normal Dread. I have not gone back to my Fey that is just sitting in my PvP Weapon in my bank.
I equipped Shepherd's Devotion Mount Bonus, I been testing it and it gives around 4000 Movement, Deflect and Defence to my Allies when we are in combat, for 15 seconds... I found Distruptive Shot to work better now to trigger the Bonus etc. Good thing is the bonus works on you as well as your Allies
It is really good, Longstriders Movement + Damage buff followed by Distruptive Shot makes for very very quick movement lol. Oh and if I equip Artificer's Persuasion you can also buff everyones Recovery, Movement, AP gain and Stamina Gain by around 4000 too (when using an Artefact Power).
All 3 combined give huge boosts for 15 seconds, the only 1 I do not really use is Artificer's Persuasion as it has a 60 second cool down
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@wdj40 yea, I'm using Gladiator's Guile (really nice for speed in general, amazing how much movement I get with that + dark 12s), Cavalry (I have a legendary mount, so 10% bonuses are nice), and 3x Camaraderie (although, with merc, you aren't seeing the true benefits of it due to a bug right now). The 2 you mention are interesting to consider as well. The interesting thing about movement is there is no diminished returns on it...we tested on Taco (his GF has like 10k movement right now) and when dividing by 400 it was the exact % it showed on his screen...he can outrun GWFs and, when in the stronghold, can now outrun some mounts...
Seismic still hits hard, so I haven't given it up...yet... Question about Disruptive shot...It seems like more often than not, it has 0 effect on disrupting bosses from doing their encounters...your thoughts?
Regarding Disruptive, I have noticed that too. In PVP, it was awesome before the possible counters numbed the daze. For me, it's not worth using on a regular basis at this point. I have adopted Slashers not for what is offers, but to get at the target faster to leave my own mark.
I did a quick clip to demonstrate survivability on a HR and I am building up to solo the top tier dungeons at some point... It has nothing to do with this thread except that I am using a normal Dread Enchant lol http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/wdj40/video/17629464 if I run into trouble I switch to Lone Wolf, but with enough healing you don't need it except in Castle Never. This is my DPS rotation mind you, I switch to Cunning/Binding/Hindering combo if things get really tough like in CN in certain PUG's.
Anyhoo I found you should think of Disruptive Shot as just a quick easy way of building a ranged AtoS stack. It does not apply a proper stun, it stuns most enemies out of whatever attack they were doing, but it does not seem to stun them like a Daze. The enemy is able to line up their next attack pretty much as soon as Disruptive Shot hits. I just use it to build those AtoS stacks, to trigger Shephards Devotion and to hit a mob out of a powerful attack (just does not work on bosses and a lot of mini-bosses).
For Mount Insignia's I also went with Gladiators Guile... it is truly amazing and with all those buffs I mentioned earlier in the thread you move super fast everywhere
Another good one to look at, for healing, is Survivors Blessing... This triggers on a Deflect and with 140k HP it ticks for 1k a tick for 4 seconds. But I think it stacks, I have seen this ticking for so long after combat I have gone the whole way through Icewind Dale Hub, to the fence, with it still ticking away
I also went with that Barbarian one, 1.5% HP on a Crit gives huge amounts of healing
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I have those Healing Stones in my inventory bar just in case lol... I tend to use them if I get killed and resurrected, as soon as I`m up I`ll pop 1... Orcus is a good example
I cannot recall ever buying any through my time of playing, I still have 2 stacks of Blue ones (200 charges) in my Bank
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I haven't used a healing stone or potion for 5 months now..much better things to put on the dpad....Coin, Pet, Bell...
Orcus is obnoxious, and what I mean by that is the stupid green balls when they lag...if they run smoothly, it's no big deal but once they start jerking around...u have no chance...
Holy SShots! SS is hitting for 300K easily. I am liking this Dread. Someone posted a fully refined Dread !cheap!, I bought two for the Greater. Gonna see how lucky I get on the next two then on my way to Trans.
Dread should not effect Seismic Shot? That is a Daily.
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There is missing info. Posted during a break in edemo. I had linked a clip and mentioned a retool. Basicly added more power (Radiants), +4 Brutality and SS was more consistent.
I know SS is a daily.
My mouse pad is super sensitive on my laptop. Wiped off a few lines of info.
About the Dread, why purple? There were cheap trades posted all night so I snagged two more and have a Perfect.
Ah man I`m still stuck with a Normal Dread, cant wait till I can try out a Trans but wont be for quite some time. I`m reluctant to upgrade mine outside of double RP and I don't want to sell my Trans Fey as that is still quality for PvP, even though I`m waiting for the nerfs before going back in in PUG's
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Just wondering if you have Hunters Teamwork equipped why do you not use Careful Attack? If you do use it that is also an At-Will
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@Ney, Can I demo your t.Dread in the near future?
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The screenshot with the Trans Plaguefire shows the run only took 38mins and you did 124mil... thus a shorter run doing less damage. The screenshot with the Trans Vorpal shows it took 53mins but you did more damage.
Out of the 2 I would say screenshot 1 is better due to it taking much less time to do the run, but still different group set ups so hard to tell
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The second shot, I do recall waiting at two camp fires but I don't think for that long and I did not start with the group. They were working on the fifth or sixth mob.
These two runs were recent, only running them for the Influence to feed the coffer. Most of the time, I join at the last camp fire because the group collectively is 2100'ish iL.
One more edit... I joined at a last camp fire where the group had failed a number of times, no one matched a name on the leader board. There must have been 30-40 enemy that spawned from the portals. It was freaking chaos! I saw them at the gate figured it would reset when we entered. No! And I had their attention. I managed to wipe them all and solo the last third of the dragon. I was two mill shy of the lead which was 58 and change.
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I'm a hundred k ad short of making a perfect dread. no looking back imo.
In my experience with Vorpal and Dread. Dread is clearly the winner and I have both (pure vorp and trans dread) currently to swap out to attest to that claim. Not to mention PC players with access to ACT show better results with Dread.
The only thing that sucks is losing that extra damage on Seismic and CA and with Lostmauth getting nerfed CA won't even be doing as much damage as it used to.
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@sax1993, oh did I notice the drop in damage with SS when using the t.Plag. But the encounters were better it seems, might of been an illusion with the debuff and extra output from the companion and group.
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Yes you have done decent damage in the runs but as a comparison you just cannot compare the 2 against each other
Also I`m not sure if you noticed that the timers seem to be more accurate these days, but they have taken away out ability to solo Dread Legion and Master of the Hunt... which sucks
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@thefiresidecat I nearly pulled the trigger and bought a Perfect Dread. Wow. They are pricey. I will hold out. The prices will come down, always do.
This morning I ran with a CW with a Pe.Dread and Lostmauth set. He only had 400iL more than me and I have the Imperial set. He was stealing my DPS. Mid-way he was 8 mill over me but I reeled him in to just under 2 mil. So I am curious what it is I can do with the Dread.
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Ran edemo with a 3k plus group the other night, did 5 runs with pretty much the same group the entire time...this wasn't a guild run but definitely wasn't your standard pug. Very much a DPS race with a few people...I topped the board all 5 runs by an average of around 16m over second place...beat out a 3.7 CW, 3.7 TR, 3.5 GWF...3 were in the 70m range, 1 at 84m, and 1 at 68. First phase 3 of us would be tied, 2nd phase I pulled ahead by around 7m and third phase I pulled ahead by around 9m more...
I will say that I have noticed the drop off in damage from seismic shot...
I don't know how this compares directly to the vorpal, just throwing these out there... and probably should have swapped it back in for a run, but was having too much fun as it was...
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as far as vorpal vs dread a lower dread is still more powerful than a higher vorpal.
as far as prices going down.. not for awhile. I think people are still discovering dread. I think it's going to go up before it goes down.
I equipped Shepherd's Devotion Mount Bonus, I been testing it and it gives around 4000 Movement, Deflect and Defence to my Allies when we are in combat, for 15 seconds... I found Distruptive Shot to work better now to trigger the Bonus etc. Good thing is the bonus works on you as well as your Allies
It is really good, Longstriders Movement + Damage buff followed by Distruptive Shot makes for very very quick movement lol.
Oh and if I equip Artificer's Persuasion you can also buff everyones Recovery, Movement, AP gain and Stamina Gain by around 4000 too (when using an Artefact Power).
All 3 combined give huge boosts for 15 seconds, the only 1 I do not really use is Artificer's Persuasion as it has a 60 second cool down
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Seismic still hits hard, so I haven't given it up...yet... Question about Disruptive shot...It seems like more often than not, it has 0 effect on disrupting bosses from doing their encounters...your thoughts?
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Anyhoo I found you should think of Disruptive Shot as just a quick easy way of building a ranged AtoS stack. It does not apply a proper stun, it stuns most enemies out of whatever attack they were doing, but it does not seem to stun them like a Daze. The enemy is able to line up their next attack pretty much as soon as Disruptive Shot hits. I just use it to build those AtoS stacks, to trigger Shephards Devotion and to hit a mob out of a powerful attack (just does not work on bosses and a lot of mini-bosses).
For Mount Insignia's I also went with Gladiators Guile... it is truly amazing and with all those buffs I mentioned earlier in the thread you move super fast everywhere
Another good one to look at, for healing, is Survivors Blessing... This triggers on a Deflect and with 140k HP it ticks for 1k a tick for 4 seconds. But I think it stacks, I have seen this ticking for so long after combat I have gone the whole way through Icewind Dale Hub, to the fence, with it still ticking away
I also went with that Barbarian one, 1.5% HP on a Crit gives huge amounts of healing
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Yeah, that was one of my favorite HE's to wipe back in the day.
Who uses Healings Stones anymore??
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I cannot recall ever buying any through my time of playing, I still have 2 stacks of Blue ones (200 charges) in my Bank
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Orcus is obnoxious, and what I mean by that is the stupid green balls when they lag...if they run smoothly, it's no big deal but once they start jerking around...u have no chance...
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I know SS is a daily.
My mouse pad is super sensitive on my laptop. Wiped off a few lines of info.
About the Dread, why purple? There were cheap trades posted all night so I snagged two more and have a Perfect.
.. Teucer (HR) / Maximus Decimus (DC) .. GT: ApexDemon
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