When are we going to see the improvements to the Warlock?

extremerugburn

Strumslinger has made several references to the warlock being looked at and in one of his last livestreams he said the Warlock was indeed being improved. When exactly are we going to see these results? I have been waiting and waiting and was sure this update would include something, but alas I am still wallowing in mediocrity and I refuse to take advantage of the soul puppet fiasco.

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myfist2yourface

+2 its like we have waited a month to start playing our SW again, waiting for a buff or something to alleviate the fact that our original build is all but dead... I can run Sharandar, but use ALOT of potions and kits... waiting for full health between mobbs ect... no fun playing a nerfed 40 level cahr in a 70+

raymond00713

A buff? To warlocks? One of the most over powered classes in the game needs more help?

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digolift

too much cry. u need fingers and crein to play warlock but the majority of warlocks players dont have it !! simple !! want to do dps without having brain ? go GWF

raymond00713

Yep. I am in fact for real. Warlocks do MASSIVE damage

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raymond00713

Yeah.. i dont have one. But I've seen them do massive damage without soul puppet. And not just one. Though I've seen a lot that didnt know what they're doing.

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extremerugburn

I am an Item level 2500+ SB Fury Warlock, formerly a HB Temptation and yes our class is broken. It really sucks that in order to be effective and keep up with other DPS classes we have to use a puppet build. Its irritating because I recently joined a new guild and people keep telling me I need to run a puppet because my DPS doesn't compare, so now after speaking with my guild leader I am going to respec despite how I feel because I understand where they are coming from. I don't want to be carried by my guild mates, because they are good people and it isn't their fault my characters class is broken. So if you cant beat them, join them. Maybe someday Arc will fix the broke-as-hell Warlock.

agenty0rk

I'm new so sorry if I seem new. I can't seem to set up my scourge warlock right. I'm getting toasted by groups of npc character that are two levels lower than me. What am I doing wrong?

dreadkiss

lol i love this ..... you just got a buff and yet you still cry .... try taking a neft as the cw did ..

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dreadkiss

you got the cw's choke and one other move if you guys would learn to control you could hold someone for 20 seconds in pvp thats huge tell me how thats a nerf..... also warlocks bargin will allow a 2200 sw to kill a any level toon..

ftryda

Have you used a SW? The long cast times and zero control resist make it very difficult to do well in PVP. Pretty much without protection from pally or good gf/DC combo the Warlock has limited survivability in pvp or dungeons. With the GWF dps we essentially serve no function. I use to play as a Templock because I was ok not having top paingiver as long as I was contributing to the team. However now I have had to dump so much into my Warlock just to be on par with much lower geared classes to serve some function. Now at 3700iL I still can't miss a step or a 2800 GWF with have mobs and bosses down before I can line up my full set of curses to max output. It's a joke. The "good" warlocks you see in dungeons or pvp are much better geared than whoever they're playing with or are only doing well because just the right combo of other classes buffs are active. Missing any of those buffs would result in a much different outcome. Cut our cast times significantly is a reasonable request in my opinion. Don't even need to shorten cooldowns. Also fix the damage negating Lostmauth Set so we can see returns like other classes do. Then feel free to nerf the puppet stacking buffs that causes our numbers to sky rocket with just the right party buff combos. I'd rather not feel like the puppets companion anymore anyway. (Tested that it does 2/3 or more of warlocks damage).

Either way, at least give us an idea as to when a change might come. As other class players start to become equally geared my personal frustration will grow and grow. I would rather know whether I should cut my losses now or keep waiting. There's no way I'm investing in another character like this just to risk the devs changing mechanics blindly that greatly affect gameplay.

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rotters

we can do massive damage. im a 3.5k SW (Tabatha) and have been topping dps charts for ages. ive never used the puppet tree, always fury. I currently do about 220million damage in egwd. in PVE and long fights we are superb. but for trash its a little trickier, gwf have the edge.

I dont pvp but I can one shot lesser players, but I die more than I kill when I dabble.

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mrshabok

Warlock is definitely handicapped. They're not AS bad as people make them out to be, but they are severely outclassed by ANY GWF and an HR that knows what he's doing. I don't think GWF is a good comparison though, since they can triple anyone's DPS. That's not a SW that's a game balance issue. Now, and HR who knows what he's doing should always lose in DPS to a SW who knows what he's doing. HR provides additional utility to the team beyond DPS. Since Temptation is utterly useless now, SW has no choice but to have one and only one job. The fact that they can't even always do that at least tied for the best is absurd. That said, it is still extremely rare to see and HR beat an equally geared/skilled SW in DPS. Sure we rely completely on TT. It's always been that way. Our encounters themselves are garbage and take 9years to cast. All they really need to do is fix the lolset (25% of GWF DPS), buff our encounters some, and decrease cast/cooldown times.

rotters

i must admit i didnt realise this was xbox forum as im a pc player but you need to get you facts straight. CW's or HR's cant touch us at 3.5il. Gwf dont seem to need a big gs to hit for huge numbers.

you do seem rather full of yourself! @poopoomcmuffns

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mrshabok

I agree rotters. Honestly if they made lolset work how its supposed to for GWF and decreased our cast/cooldown I think we'd be in a good place atm. I haven't met an HR that out DPS's a good SW at same IL. I only go off anecdotal evidence from other people, which is honestly my fault. Not a good idea.

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mrshabok

Each to his own. I think pvp in this game is garbage and fruitless. Not even a competitive circuit, no competitions, no real rewards aside from bragging rights. Even Pokemon has a competitive scene that puts this game to shame. But that's my opinion. If I want to pvp, I'll play Halo or Starcraft or something. Whatever you have fun doing is what you should play, so kudos. TT is 100% the only way we do damage when fighting anything other than a single boss with 0 adds. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just in denial. That's good to hear you've made Templock viable at 3k IL.

nosajdagg

My main character is a warlock, and is my favorite of the five I have made. I find my warlock to be a heavy support healer. As I'm the only one healing any one in the parties I end up in, even tho the developers have tried to take away as much of the life steal as they possibly could from us. Since there arn't many healers left. But as far as damage goes, the SW could definitely use an improvement. The gwf and rouges are ridiculously over powered.

schietindebux

From what i saw and experienced in PVE on PC it is hard to beat a damnationlock or a furylock using a puppet dealing >50% of their damage buffed by a GF, or morderous flame bug , dealing 20 mio+ hits...but at high gearscore it gets pretty close.
A damage specced CW deals pretty high numbers with desintegrate, i run with some scilled player, and they do nearly same numbers without being bugged...
SW is a bugged class , creating big numbers at low IL by some feats and powers.
In case you want to know where the class stand, run temptation and add about 30% damage, that's what an unbugged damagetree will deal about.
If we ever get fixed , the class will be underwhelming without buffs to some feature/powers for sure.
There are near no player on PC that serve the community with aproximately correct numbers from classes at maxed level, but the one that may be closest to the truth states, that highest damage comes from a GF conquerer spec...yes a tank

tresir

...plz... For the love of all locks... Don't mess up the pve temp spec. I love it.

gomok72

I've been playing SW since they were on preview and can tell you, in comparison to most of the classes in the game we are a flawed design when it comes to a lot of things. Most of our damage is inflated by TT which if your not keeping up with Cleric Sigil and spamming on the mobs before the GWF gets in 2 hits, you will not top the charts. PvP, I have to say, the only issue I have been having and I am one of the top PvP Warlocks on PC side is this, we cannot dodge, have some of the longest cool downs and animations and the lowest burst out of every class in the game, currently (Unless you bug the abilities).

What I mean by burst for those wanting to argue about this is, our PvP spec hands down is "FURY" no if and buts about that, but in order for it to work properly and actually survive all the other classes within the game, you have to spec to outlast them. Stack hitpoints, Deflect, Regeneration, lifesteal times 3 boon, and use certain abilities to rebuild health along with water weapons and such (More of a defensive specced Warlock).

Even with so many wards within a top end/leveled guild I still run Wards against TR and GWF in which it works most of the time (Shocking Execution and Guardian Fighter is hard to beat, due to it hitting for 160-600k health "EASY", and dailies being spammeable now, due to the Cleric's sigil and AP gain insignias).

You guys have to considier a lot of things within the game we don't get huge benefits off of like the demon's lord's set, again, due to our low burst (GF and GWF can get the Demon lord's bonus damage bonus in 1-2 globals and CW 2-4, due to their burst).

I don't know, developer's at some point will "PROBABLY" buff SW (Don't hold your breath though.), but it's been said there will be no major changes to the whole dynamic of the SW, you will still need to do 3-5 damn things before you get some type of benefit to kill somone in PvP.

As far as PvE, I say, lower your crit and buy an OWL bear, as it seems to be riddled with bugs that they can't seem to fix with this class, and may as well enjoy the numbers you can pump out with the companion , since it is working as intended with our broke/buggy HAMSTER abilities and encounters anyways.

Also, for those of you that don't know, our damage on Fury side was nerfed by 40%, because so many people cried about it, Killing flames was not given the same damage modifier as "Anvil of Doom" which has been hitting people in PvP for 200-500k damage (If it was, be a lot more people playing Scourge Warlocks and be two Warlocks in every premade comp, due to insta kills.).

gomok72

schietindebux said:

From what i saw and experienced in PVE on PC it is hard to beat a damnationlock or a furylock using a puppet dealing >50% of their damage buffed by a GF, or morderous flame bug , dealing 20 mio+ hits...but at high gearscore it gets pretty close.

A damage specced CW deals pretty high numbers with desintegrate, i run with some scilled player, and they do nearly same numbers without being bugged...

SW is a bugged class , creating big numbers at low IL by some feats and powers.

In case you want to know where the class stand, run temptation and add about 30% damage, that's what an unbugged damagetree will deal about.

If we ever get fixed , the class will be underwhelming without buffs to some feature/powers for sure.

There are near no player on PC that serve the community with aproximately correct numbers from classes at maxed level, but the one that may be closest to the truth states, that highest damage comes from a GF conquerer spec...yes a tank

I won't go into any details about bugging soul puppet for big hits, but I have literally had my puppet bug out and hit things in PvE and make them just disentegrate at a certain point of their hitpool. Now again, it's a combination of things and very hard to get off unless you are running certain abilities and companions. Even then, when the puppet does swipe and hit the mob for 1-3 million damage, it instantly draws aggro and dies, so it's like a "ONE HIT WONDER".

Again, SW is inconsistent, due to it's design, I can give you a list of bugs with this class that has been used since it's introduction that got worse with mod 6, SW on it's own, playing legit, will never hold up against any of the other classes in this game.

I can't wait until the NCL hits again and we get another heart felt warming video about how screwed up we are, will be interesting to see how they address this issue and class, "Sits back with popcorn".