Dreadtheft debuff

crystal892f

Hey guys, I've been wondering about the Dreadtheft debuff. Based on the description:

Curse Consume: Remove Curse effects from targets to temporarily increase the damage they take, and based on number of Cursed targets hits, recude incoming damage to yourself (max stack of 5)

Does this "increased damage" apply to the whole party or not? Because I, as non-Fury, also use Dreadtheft vs single targets since I assumed it applies to the whole party. But does it really?

In the past, there was a similar question already by fellow Warlock zeusom. But it never got cleared up.

zeusom

Yea, I never got an answer for this so its time to get two helpers and test it for myself. I can say 5x stacks of Dreadtheft + warding curse gives a whopping 70% damage debuff to your attacker and allows you to survive any GF/GWF rotation. One odd thing is the 5x stacked DT icon appears only on your buff bar while the opponents bar shows only a 1x DT. So before testing, I would guess the 60% dmg debuff is personal and helps your survival only.

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schietindebux

Following the tooltip its 12% less damage you take and 12% +damage the opponent takes per stack
Having 5 stacks it would be 60% on you and 60% on opponent
I definitely can say that incoming damage is decreased significantly
Cast WB + DT on dummy in case the ticks from DT and WB grow in numbers up to 60% it works...pretty sure it does

crystal892f

schietindebux said:

Following the tooltip its 12% less damage you take and 12% +damage the opponent takes per stack

Having 5 stacks it would be 60% on you and 60% on opponent

If you assume at level 1 Dreadtheft is a 3% debuff, too, then yes, at level 4 it's 12% per stack. But I don't think it stacks 5 times on the target.
My question wasn't about that, by the way, rather if the (assumed) 12% more damage applies to the whole party or just me.

schietindebux

DT rank 4 12%
DT rank 1 3%
5xDT rank 4 =5x12=60%
And its only you who profits from that buff/debuff i guess since every other description from most classes tells you : "from all sources" in case its for the whole Party

All curse consuming effects did work correctly last time i tested them on dummy
And Sophie just wrote above that the debuff works correctly 70% (10% from warding curse includet)
So assume that it works as it should 100% correct

zeusom

I tested with two guildmates to see if my 5x stacks of Dreaftheft debuffs the targets damage towards ALL my allies/party members or just personal to the warlock.

Dreadtheft debuff only helps the casting SW.
DT stacks do not debuff the target's dmg towards other party members.

crystal892f

zeusom said:

Dreadtheft debuff only helps the casting SW.
DT stacks do not debuff the target's dmg towards other party members.

You, sir / ma'am, are my hero - thanks

jobsalotofwork

It's not a damage debuff its a DR buff to the caster, which is why it appears on your bar and not the opponent.

The debuff is a DR debuff on the opponent, which doesn't stack, and most likely works for all as its a debuff and not a personal damage increase as so many SW powers specifically state. It shows on the opponent and doesn't stack.

Did you test the latter?

schietindebux

Think you are correct, the 5 stacks help against all incoming damage
And a 12% DR debuff on opponent would be more logic, its for sure no 60%
Missing the tooltip telling you its from all sources though

mamalion1234

that 12% debuff if works like ray of effeblement etc. is very good for the pt because it goes further than 0 dr.

schietindebux

Take some Arp to counter T Negation, the DT 12% debuff and on top p bronzewood (cheap) thats 16% piercing, ignoring tenacity also working against tanks
I use it and its way more power full than P Vorp or P Plaguefire...big difference imo

candinho2

So the target debuff isn't stacking?? bug or wai?

schietindebux

Curse consume: remove curse effects from targets to temporarily increase the damage they take, and based on number of cursed target hits ,reduce incoming damage to yourself (max stack of 5)
You get stacks by using WB vor ACC

So even tooltip is correctly
12% debuff for the target, can't say if it works for all sources
and up to 60% DR to you, I am pretty sure its from all sources

zeusom

The DR buff on the casting warlock stacks up to 5 (60%) but the most logical way to interpret the tooltip which says "(max stack of 5)" following only the description of the personal DR buff is that the DR debuff on the target is only intended for a single 12% (at rank 4) stack. And that is how it works.

Would need to test to tell if the target is 12% DR debuffed for all incoming damage or just the warlock's damage.

gomok72

When I use to run T. Feytouch in PvP, Dreadtheft was the second thing I fired off in PvP (Hadar's grasp was first), just to get the debuff on top of the T.Feytouch proc (Bugged beyond belief, right now.) This made me very, very, very hard to kill even when fighting GWF, toe to toe.

Dreadtheft is a good skill overall and Sophi, it's only the Warlock's damage. I been testing this in PvE and PvP, since I'm still working on my "Mod 6 Happy medium" build, currently.

I'll try and post numbers on here later today, after a couple more PvP matches and PvE runs.

schietindebux

Firing HG and second DT won't stack debuff 5 times , tbh it won't debuff at all if you do not WC target at least one time
This only works with curseconsume, so you need WB or ACC because no feat applies Lesser curse fast enough
DT with WC = 12% + damage and 12% less damage
DT with WB or TT = 12% + damage and up to 60% less damage from 5 stacks
Do you run ACC in PVP ?

gomok72

schietindebux said:

Firing HG and second DT won't stack debuff 5 times , tbh it won't debuff at all if you do not WC target at least one time

This only works with curseconsume, so you need WB or ACC because no feat applies Lesser curse fast enough

DT with WC = 12% + damage and 12% less damage

DT with WB or TT = 12% + damage and up to 60% less damage from 5 stacks

Do you run ACC in PVP ?

Yes I do throw WC on the enemy, I have no choice but to do this since it's worked in our dynamic for bonuses and synergy. I'm damnation and usually my puppet throws lesser curse on the person in PvP "IF" they don't kill them first (notice the big if.).

I'm probably one of the few pure Damnation PvP Warlocks still playing on the server

I do run Warlock's bargain and TT on my skills list in PvP (TT helps me kill everyone around un-killable Paladins and helps me locate perma Rogues in SH PvP)
Hadar's, Dreadtheft and WB or Hadar's, Harrow storm and Warlocks bargain or Hadar's, Harrow storm and Dread theft (The first choice is awkward and I die a lot using it the second and third choice is preferred for my play style.

Wanted to add, that eventhough the SP has a 25% chance to put lesser curse on NPC and PC, it seems to proc more than that when they are up (Some people don't even bother to kill the "25K" health SP, believe it or not).

-Kymos

schietindebux

I also run damnation, being fury before
The fact that avalanche is so anoying , forcing you to stay 100 feet away from node , and PVE is far more fun running damnation is why i go damnation, Its the best compromise
I take HG allways+ WB most time to trigger Sparks from lolset , debuff and to get rid if OP's
+ DT or HS